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I hope I'm 100% wrong about Obama


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Really, I do. Because if I'm not 100% wrong about him, one of the world's largest nuclear arsenals will within a few years be in the hands of a third-world nation.

 

I'll readily admit that McCain was a pretty feeble candidate, but at least he would have let the country tread water until someone better came along in 2012. I believe Obama hates this country and will waste little time running it into the ground.

 

As I said, I hope I'm wrong.

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McCain's biggest mis-step in the election was having Palin as his VP candidate. He wasn't looking for someone who would make a good vice-president, he was just looking for someone to broaden his appeal during the election - in part towards more conservative elements he felt he needed, and also as an ill-advised attempt to connect with women voters who may have been previously supporting Clinton. I think the election would have been much closer if he didn't have Palin dragging him down.

 

He may still have lost anyway, but I think a lot of people who were on the fence looked at Palin, then looked at McCain's age, and thought, "There's a pretty good chance she might have to step in as president... no thanks."

 

Anyway, no matter who won, half the country would be in a bad mood right now. The point to remember is that in four years we'll have the chance to put someone else in there if we want.

 

Hopefully, he'll do a good job. At this point, I'd settle for merely adequate. But people who have on rose-colored glasses and are expecting the country to miraculously get better overnight are in for a big disappointment. Reality just doesn't work that way.

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McCain's biggest mis-step in the election was having Palin as his VP candidate. He wasn't looking for someone who would make a good vice-president, he was just looking for someone to broaden his appeal during the election - in part towards more conservative elements he felt he needed, and also as an ill-advised attempt to connect with women voters who may have been previously supporting Clinton. I think the election would have been much closer if he didn't have Palin dragging him down.

 

I disagree. Palin drew bigger crowds and more enthusiasm than anyone else in the race. She's not a Senator, which is a big plus in my book. Were it not for Governor Palin attempting to drag McCain across the finish line, he would have been even more thoroughly stomped.

 

IMHO, McCain's biggest misstep (beyond running for office in the first place) was voting for the world's largest bank heist. He'd said that he'd reject any legislation that was laden with pork. Had he rejected that abomination, which was going to pass anyway, he would have been perfectly poised to reap some rewards when it failed miserably.

 

Oh well. The Founding Fathers are to be commended for having created a nation that could last 220 years. I think they predicted that nations would last about 200, so I guess they did pretty well. Once Obama and Congress re-instate the "Fairness Doctrine", though, I'm not sure how the Republic will ever recover.

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You really think that after the 8 year amok run of Bush there's still anything left in your country worth ruining? What would that be?

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You really think that after the 8 year amok run of Bush there's still anything left in your country worth ruining? What would that be?

People. Don't judge all of us based on one man's bad decisions.

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I disagree. Palin drew bigger crowds and more enthusiasm than anyone else in the race.

Well, she drew more attention, but I don't know if that equated with enthusiasm. :(

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You really think that after the 8 year amok run of Bush there's still anything left in your country worth ruining? What would that be?
People.

 

True, certainly. I was thinking of objects, not subjects when writing that :(

 

Don't judge all of us based on one man's bad decisions.

 

No fear, I judge everyone by his own actions. To us outside spectators it is looking though as if Bush hit the country a lot harder than bin Laden ever could. It's pointless to list or debate all of his evil actions once again, I'm sure he'll go down in history as Americas worst president of all time anyway. I actually hope that some day he'll see some justice and spend the rest of his life in jail for committing crimes against humanity and the american people.

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I really try hard to steer clear of political threads usually because there are never any winners. But "one of the world's largest nuclear arsenals will within a few years be in the hands of a third-world nation" is precisely the kind of statement that perpetuates this state of irrational fear and oppression that has existed for the last few years in the US.

 

Let's face it, the president is a figurehead. A symbol and a mascot with limited authority and power. We now have a mascot that hopefully represents a fresh start, new direction, and above all, hopefully common sense. It's been scary how cult-like and brainwashed some people have become in the wake of 9/11. Stop being afraid and start thinking again.

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I disagree. Palin drew bigger crowds and more enthusiasm than anyone else in the race.

Well, she drew more attention, but I don't know if that equated with enthusiasm. :(

She drew enthusiasm primarily among those who had already decided on the Republican ticket. Her far-right views scared off many of those who were on the fence. In that sense, she hurt McCain. I think a better choice would have been Lieberman, or if they really wanted to nominate a woman who wouldn't scare as many moderate voters away, try to get Christine Todd Whitman or Kay Bailey Hutchison.

 

It's probably moot anyway, as I think the real reason the dems won is because of the perceived failure of the Bush administration. If you are correct in thinking that the Obama administration will lead the country on a downward spiral, rest assured that public perception will change again.

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If anyone made the USA getting closer to a 3rd world country, then it was/is G.W. Bush. Period. And yes he and those Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. criminals belong to jail. Life sentence!

 

Obama will not be able to repair all that damage done by the Bush administration, not even in two terms. This will take at least one generation without making major mistakes. But I am sure he will be able to slowdown and maybe even stop the dramatic decline of the USA we have seen during the past 8 years. He is in a position which can be compared to Bush after 9/11. The world is supporting a change massively. And I am sure he uses this 2nd chance of foreign trust and national optimism wisely. The USA need friends and allies at least as much as the free world needs the USA as a friend and ally too.

 

This is a good day. :(

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It's probably moot anyway, as I think the real reason the dems won is because of the perceived failure of the Bush administration. If you are correct in thinking that the Obama administration will lead the country on a downward spiral, rest assured that public perception will change again.

It will anyway. Any president is in a lose-lose situation. All presidents in my lifetime (starting with Johnson) have been derided to some degree or other by the end of their time in office.

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For me Palin is Bush dumbness^2. She represents B-class Amercia, where intelligence is considered something bad and stupidity rules. 8 years of B-class America ruling are 8 years too much.

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Well, from a completely non-political standpoint, I hate to tell you this - but America is getting stupider. Perhaps not percentage-wise, but I think our stupid people are getting stupider. I fear for the literacy of our country.

 

And now, in order to give equal time to the opposing viewpoint, a rebuttal:

 

 

LOL! u r so stupd OMG!!!! WTF?? LOL!!! u dont now what u r talking about u r so dum WTF duz litterng hav 2 do with beng stupd LOL!!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!

 

 

Thank you.

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For me Palin is Bush dumbness^2.

 

Some of her stupidity is massively overhyped in the media here though. E.G. despite everyone making fun of it, you can _really_ see Russia from Alaska.

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Well, from a completely non-political standpoint, I hate to tell you this - but America is getting stupider. Perhaps not percentage-wise, but I think our stupid people are getting stupider. I fear for the literacy of our country.

Yes, the country seems to be divided into A-class and B-class. With the gap getting wider and wider. But this is not only a US problem, we have a similar development in Germany too. The so called middle-class is slowly dwindling.

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Some of her stupidity is massively overhyped in the media here though. E.G. despite everyone making fun of it, you can _really_ see Russia from Alaska.

I can see a church tower from my home, does that qualify for making me a priest? :(

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For me Palin is Bush dumbness^2.

 

Some of her stupidity is massively overhyped in the media here though. E.G. despite everyone making fun of it, you can _really_ see Russia from Alaska.

I live there, I know.

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I really try hard to steer clear of political threads usually because there are never any winners. But "one of the world's largest nuclear arsenals will within a few years be in the hands of a third-world nation" is precisely the kind of statement that perpetuates this state of irrational fear and oppression that has existed for the last few years in the US.

 

Let's face it, the president is a figurehead. A symbol and a mascot with limited authority and power. We now have a mascot that hopefully represents a fresh start, new direction, and above all, hopefully common sense. It's been scary how cult-like and brainwashed some people have become in the wake of 9/11. Stop being afraid and start thinking again.

 

The U.S. government is in a very tenuous situation financially. As soon as it appears that it might be unable to pay off its existing creditors, nobody will lend it money except at higher interest rates. If the government does not immediately cut spending (within a month or two at max), the rates will skyrocket to the point where tax revenues can no longer pay the interest. At that point the government will have no choice but to either stop spending abruptly (telling people with no advance notice that they're simply not going to get paid) or hyper-inflate the currency. What do you suppose is going to happen when government employees are told without warning that they're not going to get paid, or if the currency gets devalued 25% or more?

 

I don't know that McCain would appoint cabinet members who would recognize what needs to happen to avert disaster, but I have zero confidence in Obama's desire or willingness to do so. Instead, what I expect from Obama is a cycle of higher tax rates and lower tax revenues. Such a cycle would be bad under any circumstances, but with a government that is on the brink of total insolvency it would be an absolute unmitigated disaster.

 

Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic about McCain. On the other hand, I think that under him country might have had a chance to reverse its course toward financial Armageddon. I see no such chance with Obama.

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Some of her stupidity is massively overhyped in the media here though. E.G. despite everyone making fun of it, you can _really_ see Russia from Alaska.

 

Right. There were quite a number of statements for which Palin was derided, despite the fact that the statements were entirely correct. Gov. Palin (unlike Tina Fey) didn't say that she could see Russia from her house, but rather that Russia was visible from parts of Alaska. Not only is the statement literally true, but if one looks at a globe it's clear that Russia isn't far from Alaska at all. Indeed, Alaska is closer to Russia geographically than to any other part of the U.S.

 

It really is disgusting the extent to which the media is in the tank for Obama. Why is it that the media spends more effort vetting a guy who asks Obama a hypothetical question than it would spend vetting Obama? Why is there, for example, no demand that Barack prove citizenship by, at minimum, having an official of the state of Hawaii sign an affidavit that says that the information on the alleged Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's web site is accurate? Note that an official saying that Hawaii has a birth record for Obama is not the same thing, given that Hawaii will register foreign births. Would it be unreasonable to insist that presidents demonstrate eligibility as a matter of course, to dispel any doubts of legitimacy?

 

Obama has stated a desire to bankrupt coal-fired power producers. How many people who voted for him know that? How many people know that he's going to raise taxes on people making a lot less than $250K/year? And how many people realize that the difference between someone who makes $250K/year and someone who makes $25M/year is a lot bigger than the difference between someone who makes $250K/year and $50K/year?

 

Class warfare is destructive, but Obama favors it. Not that he'll go after those making $250M/year. Those people can afford the right sorts of tax shelters to avoid confiscatory tax policies. It's those who would have the audacity to improve themselves that he wants to squash. And I guess a lot of people want him to do so.

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I can see a church tower from my home, does that qualify for making me a priest? :(

 

Governor Palin's point was that Alaska is geographically adjacent to Russia. Indeed, the over-water distance between Russia and Alaska is smaller than the distance between Alaska and the rest of the U.S. Further, I would expect that Alaska has far more dealings with Canada than any other state.

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Yes, the country seems to be divided into A-class and B-class. With the gap getting wider and wider. But this is not only a US problem, we have a similar development in Germany too. The so called middle-class is slowly dwindling.

 

How do you define the classes?

 

IMHO, the notion that a family that makes $250K/year is in the highest economic class is absurd. If you want to argue that such a family is in a different class from one that makes $50,000, then fine. But $250K/year is nowhere near enough to instantly make one a member of the highest class.

 

Communism is supposedly a classless system, but in practice there are two classes: the elite, and everybody else. That's what Obama et al. seek for the U.S. The elite don't want anyone below them to have upward mobility, thus they vote for Democrats to help them maintain their elite status.

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I disagree. Palin drew bigger crowds and more enthusiasm than anyone else in the race.

Well, she drew more attention, but I don't know if that equated with enthusiasm. :(

 

Yeah, like attention from SNL's writers.

 

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Obama has stated a desire to bankrupt coal-fired power producers. How many people who voted for him know that?

 

I do, and it doesn't faze me, because I'm not a gloal warming denier.

 

Class warfare is destructive

 

We've just had 8 years of class warfare (i.e. trickle down economics). It's time for a correction back to the mean.

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I do, and it doesn't faze me, because I'm not a gloal warming denier.

 

Uh, in that case you're out of date, since we don't have global warming any more--it's now global "climate change".

 

If, however, you claim that that theory is scientific, let me ask two questions:

  • What exactly is being claimed by the global "climate change" fearmongers, and
  • In the event that such a claim were false, how would one be able to determine that?

If a theory is scientifically meaningful, there must exist tests which, if it were false, it would be unlikely to pass.

 

Further, even if CO2 emissions were harmful, I'm not quite sure what would be accomplished bankrupting the U.S. power companies when China is building dozens of new coal-fired plants every year and, unlike ours, they don't have to meet EPA restrictions on sulfer oxides and other such nasty emissions.

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No doubt this country is in rough shape for many reasons and the new president will face many challenges. And you make some good points in post #18. I fail to see what it has to do with selling off nuclear arsenals to third world countries though. Relax, things aren't that bad yet.

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