wberdan

you have an original atarisoft prototype of that game? interesting, i thought i had the only one. i wonder if there are any differences between the two... willie

from what i remember- when i was a kid- the onscreen thing moves WAY faster with the paddle- but i always used the control pad, cause it was too 'different' for me at the time. i would be willing to bet though that if you want to get far in the game- you need it. willie

no, sorry- that was one of the 6 games from that haul that i am putting in my collection. willie

does anyone know what the instruction manual for Out of Control would likely sell for? willie

My girlfriend started a new job this week- at the job she mentioned to the owner that i collected atari stuff. Anyway- the other day I went to pick her up, and the owner had this box for me for $ 25. check it out atari 2600 console 2 controllers 2 paddles games: swordquest: fireworld lock and chase astroblast cosmic ark burgertime air raiders adventures of tron (x2) frogs and flies missle command pac man space invaders 3d tic tac toe tac scan super breakout (x2) dolphin raquetball defender air sea battle phoenix vanguard sub scan kaboom pole position centipede robot tank realsports baseball dragster et towering inferno star raiders (w/ controller) star voyager atlantis dragonfire trick shot armor ambush space attack word zapper w/ inst asteroids starmaster turmoil battlezone porkys freeway casino ice hockey swordquest earthworld spider fighter moon patrol warlords oink! spiderman solar fox realsports football bermuda triangle video pinball breakout backgammon lost luggage tax avoiders thunderground wall ball and last but not least- OUT OF CONTROL w/ instructions. awwwwwwww yeah. amazing, since only two games out of that whole bath had instructions- and out of control was one of them! everything was fairly clean too, which made it that much more amazing. that was my christmas miracle! willie

aaaah but the real question is: " are they in telegames boxes or the Bit Corp boxes? " The Telegames ones have been selling for a lot lately, in my opinion... prob between 75 and 100$ on ebay.... which seems too high to me. The Bit Corp packaged ones are incredibly hard to get, they rate a solid 10 on a rarity scale, and they sell for a fair amount more. Actually, i Have rarely EVER seen those on ebay. For what it's worth- I bought the last Bit Corp ones I've ever seen a couple years ago and I think I paid 35$ a piece, new in the box- with the power supplies. I think the Telegames ones were selling for about the same amount around that time too. Now is a good time to sell them! willie

so what is the 'bidding' up to now? willie

i am interested of course! willie

adrienne is a person that seems to know what she is talking about, but i wont try that. i dont trust a cleaner like that to clean plastic... no way. willie

26! willie

good observation- i had mentioned that to rangerG in a PM- guess i forgot to post it here... or he mentioned it to me- it was a flub. good eye! yeah, the plastic baggie trick with telegames is something else.. oh i forgot this- i have a couple telegames games in plastic sealed to a card (like a star wars figure) that had toys r us stickers on em. like any one at TRU would have bought those by the time telegames started selling them willie

you must mean a different smurf game, smurf saves the day never came out for the colecovision willie

I don’t know if all games come with a telegames label… I think some of the games, like Montezuma Revenge, for example, come with a printed reproduction label. I think Telegames *may* stock some of the really common stuff that people never buy anyway… I’m not sure. Tennis isn’t only a label variation, it is also a box variation- so I think it should be in there. It has an ‘official’ cardboard box, so yeah. I have no idea about the 2600 and intelly stuff. The ColecoVision doesn’t have a PAL or NTSC difference for some reason- all games work everywhere. Well, we counted them as a US release since they were North American- they *could* have been released in the US, I’m not 100% on that- but it is doubtful. Also, as a side note- the xonox double enders from Europe have different labels than the ones from Canada. Plus they are usually in black plastic casings, whereas the Canadian ones are slightly dark grey. If you want any information about the Splicevision- just ask. I don’t know a whole bunch about it, but a bit. Willie

im almost positive that the champ keypad does not pass the second fire button. it's been a while since i used it, but i would bet on it. maybe if you have a joystick designed to be used with it...made by the same company..? but i kinda doubt it willie

Ok- Cosmic Crisis, Strike It, and Tank Wars were all originally released by Bit Corp. Unfortunetely, it seems the only place Bit Corp ever got these games out in original form was in the Netherlands… at least that’s where the copies I have seen have come from. Telegames bought out Bit Corp at some point. I would really like to know when.. it would be interesting to know. Telegames bought out Bit Corp’s Dina 2 in 1 console, and shredded the boxes, relabeled them and sold them as the Telegames Personal Arcade. I have no idea if Telegames ever had any original Bit Corp game stock before they started just started manufacturing them under their label. As far as I know- Boulder Dash has been out of print for at least 2 or 3 years. I have no idea why. I suspect it isn’t because of lack of demand, I think that they lost the rights to sell this game somehow. I also think that Amazing Bumpman is out of print, but I am not 100% on that. Telegames will release anything they own the rights to under their own label.. I have never agreed with putting fathom in the guide- it never made sense to me. If you’re going to put Fathom in there, why not every other stupid game that telegames releases? That doesn’t make sense. Motocross Racer, Tournament Tennis, and Kung Fu Super Kicks are the only Telegames releases that I have seen available in regular colecovision style cardboard boxes. Oddly, Kung Fu SuperKicks even says “Xonox” on the box… I have no idea why Telegames would get the boxes printed with the name Xonox and Telegames on the same box. Alcazar and Rock 'N Bolt come in plastic clamshell cases with color covers and (I think) manuals. The rest of the games are in plastic clamshell cases, with photocopied manuals and ‘covers’. I try to avoid Telegames in the label variation quest. They are simply too much of a pain in the butt, and not worth pursuing outside of the games mentioned in this post, in my opinion. willie

Yep, on the West Coast which isn't far from the Mexican border. aaaaaaaah.... so the theory is, that they got imported to mexico, and just sort of wandered over the border over time? yeah that makes sense.. damn willie

i dont get it- this game has never been found in brazil right? only in the USA? and where have the 'unearthed' copies come from? USA thrifts, right? i can see from a technical standpoint why someone may think brazillian... but if they have only popped up in the US.... i mean.... i dont know about you guys- but i never find imports in thrifts- even now, in 2004! and didnt the first air raid pop up in a US thrift years ago.. i mean, its possible to be from brazil- you guys know far more about it than i- but it just seems unlikely to me willie

i can vouch for this guy (as im sure others can) he is the best- ive bought lots of stuff of him willie

aaaah, just to think- three years ago i bought a sealed one for $ 200, and no one else even wanted to touch it at that price. willie

yes, approximate same value. they are unusual, but the box art is not as cool as the european cbs releases. those are GREAT willie

Er? As far as I know, ecoleco doesn't actually make games. All their stuff is NOS. Telegames, however, does, and RWB is licensing from them. The announced product so far at http://www.colecovision.com/ is just a rehash of the CD Telegames already sells. perhaps you want to try buying one of their 25$ qberts qubes then... they do make reproductions of games- and i doubt they will care about this unless they get a cease and desist. they have made reproductions of homebrews even. willie

Well, Meteroric Shower wasn't questionable, but Tank Wars, in my opinion was. That is definetely a fine example of Tank Wars. That Meteoric Shower is none too shabby either. I have that same Meteoric Shower- If you want to sell Tank Wars *please* let me know... That would look incredible in my collection Will

No, you would be hard pressed to find much information about BitCorp ColecoVision games on the net. I consider myself an expert in this field, and I do have a sell sheet scan of pictures of BitCorp items. If you need further information, or just to discuss these carts: please email wberdan@gwi.net willie

meteoric shower was absolutely made in cartridge form by bit corp- i have one complete in the box. http://home.gwi.net/~wberdan/meteoric.jpg complete with price tag from the netherlands. willie

Hello, I am looking to purchase (or partial trade for) prototype hardware and the rarest of the rare games. Looking for items the following systems: Atari 2600 ColecoVision Vectrex will consider others. Games must be as complete as possible and in best condition available. Only R10, please. No prototype cartridges for any systems besides ColecoVision, please. Immediate payment available. willie