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1. the very first VICIIs (rare) used less, only 4-5 2. depth has not much to do with brightness. what's farer from you is not necessarily darker/brighter. it might be the same brightness or darker or brighter. 3. a8 can hardly display more colors, at 160x or 320x, - not to talk about freedom of placement - . than c64. the bigger color palette doesnt helps here. its the same cartoony looking style with different colors, and not as tightly packed. there's no more colors for depth etc. there's not even colors for antialiasing, which the c64 can happily do.. the a8 can not in most cases... I can show you some examples...

You've made over generalized statements quite a few times of the C64 being able to do 320x192x16 or 160x192x16, or such. That is considered a BITMAP description and you damn well the c64 works on character(tiles) and associated palettes map, not an unrestricted BITMAP layout. It's *not* the same thing. It's not an Atari ST. If you're going to say the c64 can display 16 colors per frame, then you need acknowledge that the A8 could display its whole palette in a single frame as well. stop using the straw man. WTF are talking about, strawman? Stop using the fraking notation. look at the very first quote. try to follow what it says.

yeah, look at the a8 turrican demo. its at 25fps and 5 colors on a small screen. and thats just a demo yet without explosions bullets, all the game mechanics.

I'm going to start calling this the Hannah Montana argument. Boy she's popular! I have never heard of her. Never heard of atari 8 bits into the 90s either if we're at it. Do a Google search. You'll be amazed. She's good looking. Sings nicely. Acts on stage like a pro. etc. Not bad at all, but the opposite: she's a pro. I can understand why many people like her. here's what an avr. singer can do: they would be not prefered by millions I can assure you, and rightfully. conclusion: most ppl chose what is good, and not what is bad. You heard it here first folks! C64 fans love Hannah Montana! read it again. there's nothing like that in there.

I can draw a deep well using 2 colors, and a flat paper using 16 shades of grey. shades has nothing to do with perceived depth.

cool, then do this picture in g2f for me: You mean to use intentionally wrong colours? I mean do that picture in g2f, as a proof that a8 has more artistic freedom when it comes to colourisations. its a clear fact that that eagle will look really ugly in 320x200 on a8, doesnt matter how many colors the a8 has.

c64 one took 5 minutes, a8 one took 10 minutes ( according to the author). still you find only the a8 impressive for a fast hack. hmm.... while the a8 eagle got all colors perfectly, right emkay ? your bias is ridiculous.

you dont even see your own nose when a c64 picture is shown to you. no wonder you see no depth. the hands behind the butterfly, the fingers infront of the palms, the arms behind the palms. no depth my ass.

cool, then do this picture in g2f for me: indeed: look at the eagle converted from c64 to a8 a few posts above. it misses more than just 2 colors. it misses a lot of pixels everywhere.

yeah lets see... all pictures non laced. c64 original: converted to a8: a8 original: converted to c64: draw the conclusion.

all computers have different HW, still they can be compared. xbox vs wii ? Different hardware, different strengths. IMO the thread should be retitled to "apples vs. oranges". done.

But how can it be SID music if there are so many orchestra pieces playing? They need to have 3 performers (one for each SID voice) and no more, for it to be SID music, right? Just asking! lets face it: if there were 3 performers you would have said SID music can be played only by SID.

The SID music is quite good. If the time period (8-bit era) is considered, it is QUITE excellent. I rather like some of it, after finally hearing some. But it can not be considered the final evolution in synth of computer music! Otherwise, the C64 emulator would have no sound!! I mean, the great sound of the SID should definitely be considered, but it should not be overblown into the assumption that it is the finest (or even close) audio equipment EVER created. Things have moved on, in 27 years. Otherwise, they will be writing the history books: "In 1982, the SID chip was created for the Commodore 64. It is the world's finest piece of electronic synth hardware ever created. All research and development on successive design completely stopped, as the SID chip is considered the ultimate and final evolution of electronic music." I do not think this is the case. SID is quite good, but no need to assume the above hypothetical paragraph is the way it is! you're refuting something I havent said. SID orchestras, SID parties, SID bands, SID instrument boxes, etc all exists. I havent stated anything else.

suprisingly good compared to what I know the a8 can do in hires.

Exactly, best selling computer does NOT mean better computer, finally you understand. Took you long enough. indeed not. it was both better and cheaper. Cheaper yes, better, not by a long shot. Wolfram: 100 frenchmen: 0 c64 wins again.