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    SM's Top 100 NES/Famicom games that still matter

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    A game I can not remember but you fought In a kick boxing ring. You punched little circles on the fighter. And did some side scrolling action as well. Got some passwords wrote down for it.But I can not remember the name of the game.

     

    Sounds like Flying Dragon, I think?

     

    Thanks I found it last night after the post. I think I have it downloaded. I had that game in the day. I still love it. I would love to see a remake. A new one plus the old one with updated graphics. Roller games I had it to. When I found it at a video store I some how manged to get the game latter on. I thought i was dreaming. That game was so good. I did not have a lot but what I did have was good quality.

    SM's Top 100 NES/Famicom games that still matter

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    Techmo World Wrestling raised the bar on what wrestling games could be. Pro Wrestling was real decent. WWF Supper Stars was the first WWF home game that was worth a dime besides the great arcades games they had out in the arcades. Tag Team Wrestling was not a good game but holds a special place in my hart I used to rent it alot. Gilligan's Island was a great game based off a great TV show. Bad Street Brawler was a fun game to me. Tomato Princess In The Salad Kingdom. I love that game. Gun Smoke nuff said. Ring King nuff said. Punch OUT without Mike Tyson great. The boxing game that was going to be the sequel to Punch Out great. A game I can not remember but you fought In a kick boxing ring. You punched little circles on the fighter. And did some side scrolling action as well. Got some passwords wrote down for it.But I can not remember the name of the game. I found it on the computer a while back.

     

    Another game I can not remember. You were on roller skates. you jumped holes in the pavement. Made it to a boss and kicked ass with some kick boxing. Boink the water down version.

     

    I love them games.

    It’s okay to be you.

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    Wow, that's like.. uh.. projected paranoid schizophrenia or something there. Nobody is laughing at anybody for buying a game; unless you're buying kid games, and even then people probably assume it's for a kid.

     

    We've all seen that statistic that says the age of the average gamer is 33; that's probably skewed by some COD/Madden only types, so not EVERYONE is willing to go back to rocket knight adventures, but far be it from me to say that those popular adulty-titles don't count.

     

    Do you wear a clown suit when you go purchase video games? Maybe then.

     

    No. I do not have a clown suit. Some people in my family just hate games. They say what did you do today. I say watch a movie or played games with the lady in the house. They say we was asking about life not a interest. All they think life is about is nosing around. Watching the news because they might miss something. Driving from house to house asking questions. They move their hands and pretend to move a controller around and say these famious words you are so ignorant. Some just hate games.

     

    A few of them call all games and machines tendo's. Short for Nintendo. They just hate games. Most don't. The ones that do scream at you. Get some where. Unplugs the machine and shake their head. I had that happen once years ago when we rented Tecmo World wrestling.

     

     

    Most love games.

    It’s okay to be you.

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    You are old and people are laughing at you. You can't collect everything. They don't sell. The news lied no one bought 80 million of Grand Theft Auto. They lied through their teeth and you believed it. Games are for children. They want to see you grow up. Who wants to see me grow up. Them all of them. Who. Everybody. You are so ignorant Scream at you go get a *****life.

     

    I don't know if this is sarcasm or just honestly being a jerk.

     

    I am not being a jerk. I'm also a southern man. I just might be typing the way I talk. I guess I've never noticed.

     

     

    I have had some family members tell me just what I typed in. Because I buy new and old games they always say some one is laughing at me. But they can never say who. It's always some one down the street or every one that was in walmart when I bought a game. Behind my back they laughed when I left. Yea right. Like every one cared about my life and watched me buy the game. They never think grown ups should play games. Most will not buy or let their kids play games. They fuss all the time about that. Like video games is behind all the worlds problems. Thats all I was referring to.

    It’s okay to be you.

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    You are old and people are laughing at you. You can't collect everything. They don't sell. The news lied no one bought 80 million of Grand Theft Auto. They lied through their teeth and you believed it. Games are for children. They want to see you grow up. Who wants to see me grow up. Them all of them. Who. Everybody. You are so ignorant Scream at you go get a *****life.

    Bought a Turbografx 16: What should I get for it?

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    I Learned about the machine from some experts that knew more than I did. They talked to the guy that worked at Turbo Zone Direct and people who worked at TTI and NEC. I asked a lot of questions. But some I found off the Internet. I researched to see if the information was correct. Just did that for me. I really liked the machine. But I wonder why with the best graphics and technology why in Japan it was a huge hit. But failed in other markets.

     

    In Japan they still make games for it. It really changed gaming over their. But Every where else it did not knock a dent in gaming. Can you imagine a XBox 360 doing nothing. Yes they did leave a lot a good game in Japan. But it was Nintendo that made that happen. Contracts and catch 22's.

     

    I think the Atari Jaguar is the best machine of all time but the PC Engine AKA Turbo could have been that one great machine. Imagine what it would have looked like now. If games still came out for it.

     

    Any comment's.

    Bought a Turbografx 16: What should I get for it?

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    I told the history of the machine. I like studying the history of things. I just said it was the XBox of it's day. How Nintendo screwed them and Atari with catch 22 and contracts. Just told the history of it. Just told of the different version's of the machines and some of the stupid decision's NEC made.

     

    I was sleepy when I wrote it. I spelled some words wrong.

    Bought a Turbografx 16: What should I get for it?

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    I love mine. I like the Hue Cards/Turbo Chip Cards they made. Hudson original called them Bee Cards. They were made for the MSX computers by Mitsubishi Plastics Inc. The Hue Cards have 38 pins and Bee Cards have 32 pins. They were also thicker. They were so popular that Hudson did a prototype board with custom chips on it. They wanted a game machine built around the technology. They just needed finical backing to mass produce it. it just happen that NEC wanted to jump into the video game market. They were the best company in Japan. They made the first computers phone radios etcc.... They was going to call Husand But Hudson called them first.

     

     

    They had the first CD ROM game machine. It would not work with out the Hue card unit. The CD card allowed you to cheat like a game shark. It had a memory unit built in to save you game progress. The Hue card unit had a booster that allowed red white and blue composite wires to be used for a better picture and to save your game. The Cd's had cut scenes and had long and beautiful game play. The graphics was great to. The Hue card is 16 bit graphics but 8 bit game play. It used 2 custom chips compared to Nintendo's custom chip built on one board. Some times certain games used the sound chip for to get some unique game play effects. They made a microphone and karaoke machine to go under it. it played Cd's and had built in graphics for that.

     

    Nintendo saw it in 86 3 years after the Famicom came out. They just asked what are you doing. Making a game machine. NEC just said it a karaoke machine that plays a few games on Hue Cards. which was true because a CD game was not finished yet. Then they saw it again at the biggest video game show in the day. A precursor to E3. When Nintendo was finally away they only allowed the press in. They was shocked to see a game on CD. They was just one draw back the loading times on the CD was long. Especially the cut scenes. Nintendo called NEC and asked for parts to buy to make Famicom machines. See Nintendo used them to supply parts for the game systems like chips etccc...... NEC kindly said no. Were in the video business now.

     

    Nintendo then herd of the CD game and a few Hue card games. NEC and Hudson quickly signed all the video game company's to a contract to make games. Namco was first. Nintendo called all the developers and said we need to redo your contracts. They did not want them to make games for the machine. They was shocked to learn about the contracts. That why back in the day a game on their machine was not on another machine. They made the company's sign contracts to their advantage. Both machine had great games though. They also made them sign contracts to state that if NEC brought it to any where in the world they would not make games for it except Japan. Because the had already signed contracts for that. The willingly signed because that they had all the money in the Famicom plus Nintendo System's around the world. Plus they never thought NEC would allow it made outside Japan. NEC when asked about that said no. It was never going to be sold anywhere but Japan. They were testing the waters so to speak.

     

    Then came Sega. They had made a machine in Europe called the Sega Mark 1. It was a Atari clone. It did very well. NEC gave them a tour of the plant were the PC Engine was made. The places the made it wanted one NEC said no way. Workers wanted one for their kids. The put the CD out at a 700 dollars. A hefty price tag at the time. The Hue Card machine at 250 dollars. 30 more dollars cheaper than the Famicom. The gamble paid off. Japan never wanted a cartage again. They sold enough CD machines to get by. The PC Engine was small but compact. It was the size of a portable CD player but a little smaller. So to avoid a law suit the quickly bought the rights to use the dpad. But made it different. It looked like it was not finished being cut out yet. So Nintendo could not say they riped them off. Turned the start into run and kept the select button. Change The 2 button's were called 1 and 2. Nintendo had a arcade stick with rapid fire built in. They also built one. But also put rapid fire on the stander controller's. The machines had one controller shipped with the machine. But you could unplug them unlike the Famacom in Japan.

     

    They did a heavily add and market campaign. And also had great research and market development. They found out what appealed to people. They even asked ordinary people what they dislike and like about their games and machines. They liked the games made for the Japan market only the best. It appealed to their culture and beliefs. Before Nintendo came along got a lot of games based of movies and ideas from other country's. They really liked the games that was just made for Japan only. It was created by the Japanese to appeal to them. It had their ideas and taste. Example in Segas Alex In Miracle World it has a man eating out of boiled cabbage his rice and food. In the American game he eats something else. Why we would not understand that or got the reference.

     

    Before Nintendo was Atari, Intellvision, and the Gpec 32 a Emerson Arcadia 2001 clone. The Gpec left the most lasting expression on them because of the games were just for them. They were Japan exclusives with what they really wanted. Nintendo did a few games like that but most were able to be played anywhere. Sega quickly made a few games for the PC Engine. They made a lot of cash. NEC knew how to advertise and deliver a product that people wanted in games and machines. Husdon knew the American market. Nintendo had no competition. Because Atari had released a old game machine that was put out right as the video game crashed acquired. 200 was sold at Toys R Us back in the day. They released it because of Nintendo machine. It had great games and was a great machine. But compared to the Nintendo was outdated. But it played more games because it played the 2600 games.

     

    Husdon knew the 7800 was not selling well but enough to fill the void. It's just Americans wanted Nintendo graphics and game play plus they loved that robot that came with the machine. Atari had game contracts because of it computers systems that sold really well. Also they had contracts dating back to the 2600. the 7800 was a great machine. It even used a few computers products rebuilt for it like the light guns.

     

    Husond said the time was right to go oversees and compete with Nintendo. NEC agreed. But had a big problem. The contracts said the games were made for the Japanese market only. They redid their contracts. Most would not because they signed with Nintendo a kept their word. But Namco and a few others got around that some how. The first game they released was PAC Land. Most told NEC of the contracts they signed with Nintendo. And also said when asked if you would sell out side of Japan you sad no. England is begging for it because of a factory you got over their.

     

    NEC promised Husond and a new company Working Designers control of the American market. They went to America and showed it at the biggest video game show. America made them change it due to interference and a few small issues it had. As they was working on the redesigned Sega that had released Master System promised the American market a new machine. Sega was smart. the released it all over the whole world. Cloned the Hue Card. NEC knew the Japan market. Cartoons showed PC Engine adds. They broke down Japan into sections. researched the lay out of each sections. Had the proper displays in the stores. Sold a little more than the Famicom ever did. But did not understand any other place in the world.

     

    The did a redesigned and made the white PC Engine black and had 2 model's. Also redesigned the CD unit. The reason was it could be made cheaper to sell. Plus had better loading times. Plus the Hue Card unit could sell for the same as Nintendo unit in American. Nintendo realized their costly mistake and made more of the type of games that Japan liked. to sell more units. It worked they sold almost just as much as NEC. It was war.

     

     

    Sega needed money real quick. They finally sold to Tonka toy company to mass produce the Master System in America plus help the debt the had from the Mark 1. Also they had some debt because of realizing the Master System into a few countries that had it. Tonka just did not understand video games. at all. The made few quick changes to the unit redesigned it. Made a cool gun light gun for it. D glasses yes D glasses they was first to release it for a game machine. Not Sony. A steering wheel that was cool. Did they sell well in Japan? Yes and no. Japan had 3 video games machines. Sega was last in place. NEC was in first place but not by much because Nintendo caught back up. Plus the may have had a bad year and a half in Japan but made up for it because sells around around.

     

    In America they was king. On TV every show talked about Nintendo. News talked about the video game boom. Atari released the Lynx the best hand held ever. Nintendo released the Game boy. Answer me this. How did black and white kill color. How did Nintendo win that war. Sega came in like a flood. They were like Nintendo. Had a huge library of arcade games behind them. Some developer's did not jump on board because of the contracts with Nintendo. Sega and Nintendo had a war. But not at first. It was a little verbal talk. Atari made games on Nintendo and bypassed the lock out chip. Nintendo sued. Jack was upset he passed on the Nintendo machine. He thought games were dead over here. Only computer games would sell. and boy did they ever. But the timing was right for a new machine. We played what ever was left over from the crash.

     

    Nintendo made developers sign contracts for 8 games only. Some got around that by changing the name of a few group of people in the company like Konmia did with ultra. Nintendo knew it but did not say a word about it. They stooped what happened in the early 80's you asked permission. They help you with technical issues. They did things like a developer's kit. They did things right. But also did things to hurt Atari like contracts stating games for them could not be on the computers and various game machines. They made stores put their display stands out where they wonted. Example Atari could not haver their display in front of Nintendo's. You had to put the others away from them or their displays was first Atari was second Sega was third if they was side by by side.

     

    Nintendo had a buy back options. Some stores sold Nintendo only because of that. Some sold Nintendo plus Atari. Some sold All 3. It was according to what sold well. Tonka did the best the could but Sega never felt they put their hart and soul behind it. NEC made the Turbo Grafix black. It really was a PC Engine. Just longer and the wires stretched out. The biggest challenge was the CD unit. It was finally decide to put in in the back. EMG heavily covered the PC Engine and praised it for coming over here. CNN and other shows did reports the unit. Only because of it's technology. The media covered the game machines well back then. A tech show on PBS showed it off and praised it as well. But because of the contracts had very few games for it. It was sold at Circuity City, Sears's, Badges, Eb, Radio Shack. Sadly most stores had Nintendo, plus Sega or Atari. Nintendo went to work on a new machine called the Super Nintendo. Sega worked on Genies.

     

    NEC in Japan Worked on 6 different controllers and redesigns tp make the CD unit cheaper and have better graphics. All though you could not notice them. It also worked on the loading times. It came to America a few months latter at a price tag of 399.99. No pack in game. It was a portable CD player but had no way of being one because of no battery compartment. It need to be plugged in the CD holder for it to work. A few music CD,s had videos on them that only worked in the Turbo CD unit. exclusive music videos. NEC final started releasing games and machines all over the whole world. A little to late. Only Europe made them a lot of cash. Because of the factory over there. NEC made the first wireless controllers in the 8 bit era. A TV for Japan only that popped up and was used exclusive for the PC Engine. NEC based the American market on their success in Japan. It was a failure. What worked in Japan did not work over here. They never let Husond and Working Designer have the full range of control as promised. Although Keith Apla Courage was a good game it did not show the machine Capability's. It had 14 different shaped controller's in Japan and great technology but the games was lacking in America but not Japan. those 500 games were great.

     

    Sega released the Genesis and Nintendo released the Super. Nintendo also went to court with 3 developers including Atari for by passing the lock out chip. Remember the infomerical Hulk Hogan was on playing and advertising games for the Nintendo. Made by Bunch games. They also got the Atari versions of Teteris stopped. 5 great things came out of that lawsuit. Nintendo's tricks got exposed. Any game could be realized on any system, Nintendo's files got to be public, game company's could make games for any system they wished, and they could make any number of games for each systems. Nintendo changed their policy's. So they would have just as many games a sega. Nintendo had Mario as a mascot. Sega changed mascots to a hedgehog Named Sonic. NEC finally had one as well. A comic book came out in PC Engine monthly called PC Genjin He defeated King Drool and saved his princes. So they made a game off of it. The games came slowly. They went to work on a new machine to compete with the Supper Nintendo and Sega Genesis. It was called a Supper Grafix. It also only had 7 games made for it. It's enhancements were 4 times of ram work for the CPU, a second chip with its on video ram, a priority controller chip that controls both chips and has them work together in various ways. 2 independently scrolling back ground layers. It software was 110 us dollars. but it can work and play every game NEC had so it has 700 titles for it. It was shaped like a car engine.

     

    It released the Turbo Duo to compete with Nintendo and Sega. It is basically a Turbo Grafix with the CD built in one unit with Supper System Bios. It was released in Japan as 2 different models. One middle released had head phone jack and a locking door the other did not. The American unit had K ram on the mother board. It cost 299. The CD unit was reduced to 150 in price. It offered a card that turned it into a Duo. By making have K of ram. They also used Johnny Turbo advertise the machine. Sega released the Sega CD to compete with Duo. Nintendo went with Sony to prototype a machine the left Sony for the ill fated Phillips CDI. They thought Philip's would really help them out. Plus they created the first video games in America. The machine was a failure. Costing Phillips up to a billion dollars in losses. At least that what was reported. No CD machine for Nintendo. Johnny made fun of Sega stopping kids from buying the SEGA CD. But in the comic adds Sega was named FEKA. Johhny claimed the console could not work alone. sega never said it could. NEC Started TTI. They put the DUO on every TV show they could. Advertised on nickelodeon. Put a 2 hour video out showing the DUO. Gamers said make games for it. Developer's said no!!!! They don't buy games for it. They mostly took Hue Card games and remde them into CD games.

     

    Finally the had a new mascot. Air Zoink. The best game ever. Boinks cousin in the future. It was a shump. It played like Blazing Lazer's. He flew like Supper Man. It had the best graphics great game play. But it did not help the system. They released the game Fighting Street. Nintendo was angry. It had the exclusive rights to see the game on their console first. Sega a few months later. Capcom said you do this is Fighting Street. It was made before Street Fighter. It sold 30 thousand CD units. They made people by the CD unit just for that game. It was almost like the arcade but a few graphics missing and smaller sprites. At the same time Atari had the Jaguar and CD unit. 3DO also Had a CD unit. But 3 different prices. Because the allowed 3 company's make the machine. Sony showed a prototype of the Playstation and the graphics. The game was Ridge Racer. They also showed a early build of Battle Arena Toshiden. Sega cam out with the Sega Saturn.

     

    NEC was more scared of the DO than any thing and quickly pulled out of the American market. They also said the knew the American market better than we did. They passed on Mortal Combat for the CD unit. Why? They said Americans are sick of fighting games and RPG'S. The last game for the DUO was Madden Football.It was the best version I've ever seen . It was sold on the web site Turbo Zone Direct and still is sold on the new site bought by a scum bucket. don't buy from him.

     

    NEC was not done yet though. They released the Shuttle in Japan. It was sold to children who did not know who to use the PC Engine. It was shaped like a space shuttle. It has also been cloned. They released the ultra rare Vista. It looked like a beautiful cable box. It is the best looking system I have ever seen and I want one. Over 900 games total.

     

     

    Then NEC released their last console ever. It looked like A computer CPU. Just like we have now. It's name is PC-FX. It was a 32 bit system that failed. It had great full motion video though.

     

    I said all that to said this. I studied the history of NEC and Gaming. They have won mutiple awards for their contributions to video gaming. If the market back then would have been a Fair playing filed. They could have been the best video game machine of all time. They was the Xbox in the 8 bit day. Had it all but lost it all with stupid business decisions. Plus Nintendo did not help the situation any. They was the Atari of Japan. They still make games for the machine right now as I type. So I'll tell my opinion. Because this thread is my opinion. It is the 5Th greatest game machine of all time. Atari 2600 first. Atari Jaguar second. PS third. Intellvision 4Th. PC Engine aka Turbo Grafix 5Th.

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