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11 minutes ago, cvga said:
Maybe we could all just agree to not make fun of or bully anyone here regardless of how easy of a target they might be at times.
I am in agreement with you.
11 minutes ago, cvga said:It was highly disturbing to me that people somehow feel giving someone assistance gives them the right to make fun of that person. It doesn't.
I also agree with you on that front. Thing is, there's a world of difference between making fun of someone for no good reason and poking at them for established reasons.
One thing that I'd like to point out: if I didn't feel that Ray deserved to not be picked on, I never would have said anything against @Mr Hudson's comments in the first place. Kindly bear this in mind.
11 minutes ago, cvga said:If you're not satisfied with how they used your help, don't offer it again.
And I didn't.
11 minutes ago, cvga said:Similarly, being a member for a longer period time shouldn't earn "privilege" to treat people poorly.
I also agree with this point. However, regardless of whether someone has been here for 5 minutes or 50 years, I would suggest that you may not know all of the facts behind a given situation when commenting on it.
11 minutes ago, cvga said:Conversely, I would think you might better understand the difficulties some people have and prop them up a bit.
See my previous comment.
11 minutes ago, cvga said:This is an amazing place and I've met some amazing people, including Ray. Let's leave things a little better, people a little happier and high scores a little higher when we're here.
While I'm not in disagreement, please bear in mind that you might not be aware of everything behind what you see.
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Been working out of town this week on a very irregular schedule, and just haven't had the time to reply properly. Seems like a good time to clear the air somewhat.
On 10/5/2023 at 3:44 PM, MrTrust said:He has 10+ years in and 7,000 posts. You don't. He's got a history with Ray wherein he's actually tried to materially help him with his personal problems in meat space. You don't. It's not being a hypocrite for one person to exercise a privilege another person hasn't earned.
And one thing related to this that I believe @Mr Hudson is overlooking:
On 9/28/2023 at 8:45 PM, Mr Hudson said:@x=usr(1536) this is by far the best forum post I have ever seen!! @BIGHMW has his own little slice of AA where we can read all his hilarious content.
I heard the official launch party will be broadcast live from Bishops Park Studio Complex
NOTHING about this thread was an invitation to shit on him. Period. Yeah, there are people here who have a history with Ray, but that doesn't mean that it's OK for you to roll on in, try to shit on him because it looks like a popular thing to do, and then get all butthurt when you're called out for picking on him. Remember when you said the following:On 10/4/2023 at 8:20 AM, Mr Hudson said:Yes, I can “knock this off” but stop being a hypocrite and engaging in the same type of behavior. My god, you created this thread after all!
Hypocrisy is saying this after:
On 10/3/2023 at 8:58 PM, Mr Hudson said:Do you think it would be possible to engage in DVDA with Big Sexy? Of course once they took away two of her four ports, it was no longer even a possibility.
Hypothetically, if all you had to do was satisfy her in this manner, and then all 8bit titles ever made would be converted to 5200, would you do it?
Seriously, you have no high horse to ride on. That's outright picking on the guy, and fuck you for doing it.
I've called Ray out on things that he's done before. I've also left him the right the hell alone when he's just being a part of the community. Don't try to play the angel when you've been as much of a gobshite towards him as anyone could possibly be.
On 10/5/2023 at 3:44 PM, MrTrust said:You, whom we don't know, come off like you're trying to treat him like a punching bag for your amusement.
And that, right there, is the problem in a nutshell.
BTW: for great lolz:
On 10/5/2023 at 3:56 PM, Mr Hudson said:Also @MrTrust with all due respect, do not ever tell me what I can and cannot do again. It’s not your place, or my place to tell anyone how they can and cannot act.
In relation to:
On 10/4/2023 at 8:20 AM, Mr Hudson said:I’m going to say this, and I will say it once, and it is the only response you will hear from me.
There are numerous posts where you have torn into BigHmw, and taken things to the extreme. I’m not going to waste my time going back and quoting all of them because frankly I do not care nor want to waste my time on pointing something out that you will just make an excuse for and try to deflect back to me.
Yes, I can “knock this off” but stop being a hypocrite and engaging in the same type of behavior. My god, you created this thread after all!
I know you probably won’t have the self control to not respond to these comments I have just made, but maybe try surprising me and act like an adult and refrain from doing so. That would speak volumes.
Have a wonderful day!
Hypocrisy, thy name is @Mr Hudson.
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Gah. Multipost.
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Gah. Multipost.
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59 minutes ago, Mr Hudson said:
Do you think it would be possible to engage in DVDA with Big Sexy? Of course once they took away two of her four ports, it was no longer even a possibility.
Hypothetically, if all you had to do was satisfy her in this manner, and then all 8bit titles ever made would be converted to 5200, would you do it?
I'll be blunt: knock this shit off. Ray's not here for you (or anyone else) to kick around, which you know full well given the PM you were sent back in April to this effect.
The fact that you started in on this behaviour almost immediately after signing up your account is interesting, to say the least.
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Agent X from Cloak & Dagger. Everybody knows him, amirite?
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17 hours ago, Wildstar said:
Oh, cool. Thanks for pointing that out; I had no idea the mechanical portion was being remade. Been out of the arcade world (in any sort of serious way) for a few years, so good to see that stuff like this is being homebrewed.
17 hours ago, Wildstar said:A tabletop missile command controller with actual candlepin bowling ball used (what was used in the arcade unit), inside a sturdy box is doable and can be made to be able to plug into a USB port and played with authentic feel as the arcade game and be the closest you get to playing the actual arcade game in the exact original arcade system.
Definitely. And, in theory, the optical section in the Ultimarc USB trackball should be adaptable to the 4.5" ball relatively easily, though changes to the opto wheels would probably be necessary in order to account for the change in gearing from the larger ball. Having something switch-selectable could also be a possibility, perhaps by slowing sample rate at the optosensors; this would be more or less analogous to how Atari did it in the original game with DIP switches.
I've owned three Missile Command machines: two uprights and a cocktail. The cocktail ended up being the short-termer of the lot, because playing the game with the 3" trackball just felt wrong. Without the heft of the larger ball, it ended up feeling a lot like Centipede - a good game in its own right, but not how I wanted Missile Command to play.
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6 hours ago, guppy said:
I purchased it because it's cheap, and it gives me a way to ignore people who will at some point in the future try to tell me that Atari is beholden to its shareholders, so can't do the thing I'd like them to do. Since I'm now a shareholder, I get to say what I'd like Atari to do, kind of like if I was a paying customer. And Atari can still ignore me and do whatever they want to do, because of course they will. But at least I won't have to listen to some insipid argument that starts out with "Atari's only reason to exist is to maximize returns for their shareholders so that's why they had to take a giant poo on [thing I cared about]" if they happen to do something I don't like; I can just say "Hey man, I paid my $130. I own 1000 shares, I got skin in the game, man, and that means Atari is beholden to ME to drive straight into the ground and do the unbusinesslike thing that I want them to do!"
This is precisely why I'm considering buying 1000 shares of Atari. My expectations of ever seeing a return on it are zero. If there is one, great; if not, I'll live. But I, too, want to be able to be ignored
7 hours ago, guppy said:80% that Atari does well by this community and doesn't screw it up (and I'm optimistic on that); and
20% that Atari does just as you suggest, prioritizes making great games in the future over those other indicatives you mentioned, that I never cared for.
As for the former, I'm cautiously-optimistic; on the latter, totally agreed.
I get that Atari has IP with some value in the retro marketspace, but without new games they're heading straight for the tunnel painted on the canyon wall. Sure, base some new titles off of historical IP; there's no problem with that. But without non-retro games, the portfolio doesn't really have anything in it with broad appeal.
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On 9/28/2023 at 8:24 PM, 0078265317 said:
Gwt the new 2600+ that also plays 7800 games.
There are a lot of known incompatibility issues with the 2600+. If he's OK with that, fine, but a 7800 may be more suitable.
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On 9/29/2023 at 7:18 AM, ledzep said:
You poor slobs, nobody even cares to make a proper trak-ball controller for your system. I suppose a trak-ball mouse is a decent alternative? If it has enough buttons for Missile Command. I wonder if you have a spinner controller to play Tempest correctly.
Not to throw gasoline onto the fire, but:
https://www.ultimarc.com/trackballs-and-spinners/
A number of USB controls use these (or quality-equivalent) components, both DIY and pre-built; PS5 and other USB-capable console support is pretty much universal from my understanding. I'll at least vouch for their sturdiness and effectiveness.
Now, the 4.5-inch Missile Command trak-balls that weigh about 500 lbs. each... Don't know of anyone making those in USB. Which is a shame, because they make that game feel really frantic when there're a ton of ICBMs coming down the screen and you have to move the cursor against the weight of that behemoth to get to where they're falling before they rain radioactive death upon civilisation.
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3 hours ago, Ben_Larson said:
I'm only referring to the video output of 2600 games on the 7800. The mods I did only affect the TIA (2600 video chip) output - they shouldn't have any effect at all on the video output for 7800 games.
Understood
What I was wondering was if it might have been the modulator going out, which would affect both TIA and MARIA output. As it is, it sounds like the TIA may just be a bit weak - but (as you're aware), you've basically replicated what was done from the factory in the 6-switch machines. FYI: if you ever decide to install a UAV or similar, it may likely be necessary to remove that resistor. Just something to keep in the back of your mind.
One thing worth mentioning about RF output quality: it can be machine-by-machine. Of the three Juniors that I have, the long rainbow is noticeably better in this regard than either of the short rainbow machines. Both of my 7800s are comparable, despite one being an earlier machine with the expansion port and the other being a later one without it. Your mileage will almost certainly vary as well.
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Just curious: was the low-quality RF output on 7800 or 2600 games, or both?
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20 hours ago, johannesmutlu said:
I do like the more modern looking atari 2600 jr but too bad the plastic is more sensitive to get brittle and both the reset and select button just uses bending plastic instead rather then normal springs or rubber
Small correction: the Reset and Select buttons don't bend - they're completely separate from the case.
Having said that, whatever plastic they were made from was different to the case itself. You're right that the cases will become brittle and break, but the buttons will be perfectly fine.
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On 9/28/2023 at 8:25 PM, votraxman said:
That works with a Toshiba FlashAir, right?
https://www.storagereview.com/review/toshiba-flashair-iii-sd-card-review
If so, this greatly increases usefulness.
I've experimented with these as well as some of the knockoff versions. None of them work particularly well. The main issues I ran into were the stability of the wireless connections and the current draw on the host device - on some, it could cause noticeable glitches or other weird behaviours.
Note that that article is from 2015, and there aren't exactly a ton of them on the market eight years after it was written.
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On 9/28/2023 at 5:07 AM, Crazymoon67 said:
If there doing the A1 serial numbers like the 7800 its May of 1987? thats a super late system those Pcb's are probably the ones Best Electronics has left over from Atari they sell now.
No 5200s were made in 1987. IIRC, production was over in 1984.
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6 hours ago, Defender_2600 said:
On Amazon in two weeks, around 1000+ units sold in Germany and 2000+ units sold in the USA, it's a good success for now.
That's not an unreasonable start, particularly for a console with niche appeal. It'll be interesting to see how it does in the longer-term, but that's a little better than I was estimating (±2500 units).
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2 hours ago, PowerDubs said:
You must not be paying any attention... I'm not trying to suck anyone into anything....I just post news..and facts...both good and bad. I readily (and often) call Atari out for the dumb things they do.
I'm also not pumping and dumping...I've been invested in Atari for 6 or 7 years now...have never sold a single share...and just keep buying more.
So your attempt at making yourself laugh at my expense just makes you the fool.
Oh, OK. So you're not doing it now. Got it. Sure as hell did try it in the past, though.
With the history you have both here and elsewhere, the smart thing for you to do would be to just go away. You'll fit in better on Reddit.
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My perception (and by all means correct me if I'm wrong) is that you're looking to enter the video game industry. If so, worry less about documenting the development process and put the majority of your efforts into making as playable of a game as possible. In terms of a portfolio, that will ultimately serve you better.
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27 minutes ago, JPF997 said:
It's funny looking back now at when this product was first announced, so many people especially around here were claiming that there was no market for this (bla bla it isn't fpga so the hardcore aren't gonna buy it bla bla it only has 10 built-in games so casuals won't like it either etc ) wonder what the cope is going to be now that it's obvious for anyone to see that this console is going to be a great success for Atari 🤔
Success is usually measured in terms of number of units sold. How many units were sold via Amazon Germany?
Answer: it doesn't matter, because it's way too early to tell. Calling it a success or failure at this point would be pointless as it's neither.
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3 hours ago, Nall3k said:
Whatever way Wade has his money, he's bringing something Atari has desperately needed for like 10+ years: money.
No disagreement from me on either count.
3 hours ago, Nall3k said:Wade seems more like a gamer than a businessman, so it will be interesting to see if he can pull Atari up.
I hold a similar perception of him and am waiting to see if the same thing happens as well.
FWIW, my comment was intended to be taken facetiously; should've been a bit clearer about that. Seeing the guy with the history of trying to suck people into his Atari stock pump-and-dump scheme speaking as though he wasn't trying to carry on the tradition was too good of an opportunity to pass up.
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50 minutes ago, zzip said:
That's one story, I also heard they built it for they UK market because UK had more of a computer culture than console culture.
Please bear in mind that I'm saying this as someone who grew up as an Atari user in that part of the world: I've heard this as well, but never really believed that it was accurate. While the culture was definitely more computer-centric than console-centric, by the time the XEGS was released in 1987 the 8-bit market in the UK had basically shaken out to being dominated by Commodore, Sinclair, and Amstrad. Any other platform was trailing way behind those three in sales, and had no hope of catching up - and Atari knew it, at least as far as the A8 range went. The machine received very little advertising past its launch, and while they could be found on display in certain retailers, they generally weren't promoted as heavily as the Big Three.
That's not to say that sales were dismal, but they certainly weren't going to threaten anyone already at the top. This was the standard pattern for Atari at the time: able to somehow hang on in the market while others (Dragon, Oric, SAM, etc.) failed, but still never really reaching mainstream success.
There were a few things not in the XEGS' favour in that part of the world, however:
- Being promoted (when it was) as heavily-reliant on cartridges. That was a software format that just never really caught on in Europe as a whole, largely due to retail costs. New games on tape could be had for as little as £1.99, but prices ten to twenty times that for cartridge software were fairly normal. Expecting someone to buy a cassette drive on top of the cost of the machine in order to take advantage of cheaper software was a non-starter - especially when both Sinclair and Amstrad had the drives built into their machines - and the same applied to disk drives.
- Software availability. You might see a couple or three Atari titles on display whereas any of the Big Three would comfortably outdo them by a factor of ten in most shops.
- Hardware availability, including servicing. Outside of major metropolitan areas, both of these items were practically nonexistent. In major metropolitan areas, there might only be one or two retailers. Mail order was a possibility, but, again, that raised costs for the customer.
- The shift to 16-bit. This had already been underway for a couple of years, and was really gathering steam by 1987. Prices of the new architectures were dropping, and 8-bit machines across the board were starting to look long in the tooth. The incentive to buy any 8-bit computer was steadily decreasing, and consumers spoke with their wallets on that one.
43 minutes ago, pboland said:Honestly, I can see all that being true.
- Use up inventory
- compete with Nintendo as not a toy but educational
- UK market is more computer than console
It does kind of hit all those things. Maybe Atari was just trying to hit too many birds with one stone?
Possibly; it would certainly make sense. However, it makes more sense in a North American context, where Nintendo was clearly having success with the NES by 1987. That console was pretty much a non-event in most of Europe, including the UK. Nintendo didn't really start building a significant presence there until the SNES era, but Sega was eating their lunch right up to about the time of the PS1.
This is one other reason that I don't believe that the machine was made with the UK market in mind: it wouldn't have had any specific competitors to run against, but it also couldn't carve out a niche for itself since it was ultimately Yet Another A8 Rewrap. That's not to condemn the XEGS by any means, but it does show that what sounds good in Sunnyvale might not play out as well elsewhere.
43 minutes ago, pboland said:On a side note if the XEGS was just
Why not just green light the 7800 computer keyboard expansion?
Timing. The keyboard was ready-to-go (more or less) just after the 7800's launch, but Tramiel stopped all development after taking over the company in order to assess what would and would not continue into the market. That put the 7800 on a two-year sales hiatus, and killed the keyboard during that time.
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32 minutes ago, PowerDubs said:
In 2015 the Rosen family was #191 on Forbe's America's Richest Families list.
They own Rosen Diversified-
https://www.forbes.com/companies/rosens-diversified/?list=largest-private-companies&sh=4068e81f1a2d
#178 America's Largest Private Companies (2022)Revenue of over 3 BILLION a year. Not just last year...every year for the last decade..
RDI also owns https://www.americanfoodsgroup.com/ which shows revenue of a billion and growing-
AFG themselves acquire other companies as well- https://www.meatpoultry.com/articles/23487-american-foods-group-acquires-family-owned-pork-processor
And then to top it all off- Rosen's Divisersified owns it's own trucking company- https://www.americasserviceline.com/
The family also has people in government positions.
So- Wade has not only the funds to do what he wants- but the connections with knowledge on how to get it done.
If you already look at the tree he has planted at Atari- it has several branches in his relatively short time in control... starting with the roots at Irata to lend Atari money..then a little investment in Antstream, Portal One, Playmaji, acquiring Stern, Ocean NightDive, Moby, Atariage, and probably others I am forgetting...
So what you're saying is that this is the family indulging Junior's desire to own a video game company in order to see if he runs it into the ground before giving him free rein over the family businesses. Got it.
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16 minutes ago, pboland said:
For the most part I agree. However, I was under the impression that Atari came up with the XEGS to sell excess inventory of 8-bit computer stuff in toy/department stores. As the story goes these stores wouldn't stock "computers" so the XEGS was invented to make it a console version of an 8-bit computer to get around the "no computers" thing.
I've heard this theory as well, and while it's certainly possible, I am somewhat skeptical. Considering the design, tooling, and production requirements that the XEGS presented (new case, new light gun, new keyboard, new motherboard, etc.), it seems like a rather expensive way to move inventory. Ultimately, while it would use up component stocks, that's about all that it would really do; the rest would be the same as building and launching a new machine.
My money is on it having been a half-hearted attempt at designing a relatively low-cost system intended to compete with Nintendo - but simultaneously targetting parents who didn't want to get their kid something that was just a game console. The keyboard gave it a whiff of being 'educational' or somesuch.
This commercial sums up why I tend to believe that idea:
16 minutes ago, pboland said:So Atari didn't really set out to make a better ADAM type concept computer.
Totally agreed. If anything, the ADAM killed that concept pretty much stone-cold dead. Atari was likely just trying to differentiate themselves from Nintendo, Sega, et. al.
16 minutes ago, pboland said:It's my understanding that it worked well enough in the end for Atari as they were able to move a good amount of excess inventory. Looking at it through that lens would suggest the XEGS was a good success.
It's funny: the XEGS was a success, but not as a game console. As an inexpensive home computer, sure, but we know how the console wars of that era ended up.
Thinking back on it, the PS2 and PS3 both had a mild revival of the concept in that it was possible to run Linux on them (only until firmware version 3.21 in the case of the PS3). Outside of a few niche interests, though, it never really caught on either - I ran MAME on my PS3 under YellowDog Linux in order to be able to play Galaga on the 46" plasma TV. Other than that, there was no reason to use it as an actual computer. There were just better options already sitting on my desk for that.
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Welcome, and here's the more-or-less-boilerplate-by-now response
The 7800 only outputs RF. If connected to the antenna jack of a modern TV, it may be able to be tuned in on analogue channels 2, 3, or 4. However, not all modern TVs are capable of tuning analogue channels; they're digital-only. The only reliable ways to find out if you TV supports analogue tuning is either by checking the owners' manual (though not all manuals will list if the capability is there or not), or by connecting the 7800 to the TV and seeing if it can pick up the machine's signal.
For the connection to the TV, you'll want a Coaxial (F-Type) to Female RCA Adapter. This will convert the RCA-type plug on the 7800's RF cable to the screw-type terminal that the TV will most likely use.
There are options for both S-Video and Composite video output from the console (the UAV being one such option; the version with the Ivory Tower Collections 7800 UAV Mount & Maria fix is recommended), but those will require modifying the unit. Direct digital output such as HDMI doesn't have an upgrade option at the moment, so would have to be handled by an external converter.
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Congratulations! You've completely missed the point of having been around for a while.
That point is experience. You lack it, yet behave as though your inexperience entitles you to pick on anyone you may care to, and to subsequently play the victim when asked to knock it off. In essence, you're doubling down on an indefensible position and doing a great job of letting everyone know what to expect from you in the future as a result.
Hint: regardless of how long you've been here (or not), other people will still call you out when they disagree with you or if you're out of line. I know this from experience. Years and posts really don't count for much when you fuck up publically, but when it comes to experience, they do.