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    JAGUAR, 3DO, AND THE CDI

    in Atari Jaguar

    Posted

    Well JagCD, at first you were separating the Neo Geo catalog in fighting games/non fighting games, in that case the majority of games are non fighters.

     

    Later you came with the genre thing (to be right in something at least) after someone stated what I wrote above, so yes, fighting games are the majority if we speak about genres but you started talking just about fighting/non fighting. ;)

     

    I agree with you in one of your statements and is the Neo Geo and the Jaguar complement each other quite well, it will be the same with the 3DO, PSX or Saturn but hey, you're right here too! Things seems to start going straight, congrats!

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    Minter / TxK / T2K / and stuff

    in Atari Jaguar

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    Anyone who doesn't follow Minter on twitter might have missed that he gave away gridrunner++, gridrunner++ special sweary edition, Hover Bovver 2 and also provided links to his 8- and 16-bit games as said "All our old 8-bit games for use in emulators. Remake if you want! ... Likewise here's all our old 16-bit stuff!".
    "I love all those old games but I'd be a fool to be bound by them, snarling and yapping at anyone who dared go near. Don't you think?"
    He then continued:
    "sometimes the experience of getting fucked over can actually make you think about how you might behave better yourself ... I am truly sorry I was ever a dick about remakes. I was wrong."
    "& god please shoot me if I ever become some wizened troll grunting and drooling over my preciouses from 20 years ago. Not for this ox }:-)"
    "as for Atari, you should thank me. I've kept the tube shooter genre current, shown a way to do that. Beat me. Be better. Not this bullshit."
    "I want to hear people say "TxK? That was good, but the new Atari Tempest is way better". Then I will love Atari again. Do it!"

    Jeff is really great person, reading things like this makes me think he is sadly one of a kind. :thumbsup:

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    JAGUAR, 3DO, AND THE CDI

    in Atari Jaguar

    Posted · Edited by Rubio80

    Sorry but Neo Geo AES and CD were are are way overpriced with a bunch of super difficult arcade games, most of them fighters. Good luck progressing in a game without a memory card. Neo Geo is and was for people with plenty of money, mostly a rich person thing, kinda like the 3do. So most Neo Geo AES fanatics are rich snobs. I have owned a few AES machines for curiosity sake in the last 10+ years. The graphics are pretty good, but nothing really blew me away. It felt like I was playing a high quality SNES or Genesis game. I never liked gaming with an arcade stick either, so theres that. I much prefer a traditional controller with d-pad. The Neo CD one is funky. Oh and then the system costs so many stupid hundreds of dollars and most of the games as well costing hundreds of dollars, Its laughable that people think or ever thought those prices were justifiable for so many games.

     

    LOL! Of course they're difficult games, they are arcade games FFS! xD To master arcade games (of any company and age) you need to know the game and play a lot to progress, then you need some skills no doubt, these are not Disney games... Tell the truth, have you ever been in the arcades??? It seems not...

     

    All these price points reminds me when people talk about how bad Jaguar games are, or the controller, and they never even tried it... They're talking from ignorance... There are quite a few great Neo games for under $100, several in MVS format or CD, you also have the 161 in 1 multicart.

    The Jaguar does not have too many top titles, I like it for what it is, to think it's an awesome console with a lot of awesome games it is not reality, it is fanboyism. And, as I told before, I have all Jaguar cart games and some CDs, i like this console.

     

     

    I am saying in another thread that people would pay $200-300 for a Jeff Minter game on the Jaguar, but that's just one game. I mean hell the average neo AES game sells on ebay for probably $100-200 and that's the average! Average Jag game sells now for $20-30... Back in the 90's the Neo System in America was like 500-700 bucks, only rich people allowed. The games like $200-400 each. What a joke. The Jag on the other hand was $100-$250 and the games like $20-$70 and by late 1995 had damn good variety of games for the system and low price. Meanwhile anything SNK Neo was always super overpriced and could not be found to buy nowhere. Plus almost all the games had a weird Japanese vibe and the games are too damned hard. AI super cheap. (games designed to eat quarters, kinda like segas games which I also think Sega arcade games are overrated too).

     

    Of course it's an expensive system, in the 90s MVS kits cost three/four times more than a home cart and you could play exactly the same games at home, no console never gave you that except the Dreamcast almost 10 years later. You expect it to cost like a SNES or Genesis cart? Do you really ever owned a Neo Geo or have you had a Neo Geo cart in your hands?

     

    There are not enough facepalm images in the internet for the statement I put in bold, really, I don't know if I have to laugh or to cry... Neo Geo games look japanese because... they're japanese mate!!!!! Also, Sega games overrated? You're not from this planet...

     

     

    So yes, Neo Geo is freaking overrated and overpriced compared to the Jag. Give me a Jag any day. Better system and library of games. Neo has some more games, but not a lot more. and the variety is pretty dang weak, mostly fighters, tons and tons of sequels. So unless you are a rich boy / and or an arcade fighter nerd (I never was) then I don't see the draw in NEo except bragging rights that you are rich enough to have one. Which I think is stupid. The Jaguar is super underrated and is only just now getting popular and people are seeing there are actually a lot of good games for it.

    My last sentence could also be here...

     

    Just FYI, I'm everything but rich, I couldn't afford neither the Neo Geo AES or the Jaguar back in the days, in 96 I sold my SNES and all my games and saved for almost a year to buy a Neo Geo CD without games because I couldn't even afford one, here where I live it was more difficult to find a Jaguar than a Neo Geo.

    I bought my first AES in 2008, about at the same time than my first Jaguar and started collecting them non stop until now. Then the prices were not as expensive as they're are now, I'm speaking about both consoles. I'm glad I finished my must have list a couple of years ago, I've been buying MVS kits of the games I can't afford or don't want to spend what people ask for them in home cart, specially since the last two years when the prices of most classic systems skyrocketed.

     

    I can be with you when you say the Jaguar have more decent games than people think but to say it's a better console than the Neo Geo is, again, just plain stupid fanboyism. Don't be confused, what you like may not be the best... ;)

     

    "Time puts everything and everyone in it's place", think about this phrase when/if you can.

     

    PD: I still can't believe I'm loosing time of my life responding to stupid statements, better stop talking about Neo Geo and continue on topic, the Jaguar fits quite well along with the 3DO and CDI.

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    JAGUAR, 3DO, AND THE CDI

    in Atari Jaguar

    Posted · Edited by Rubio80

    Neo Geo is overrated and was overpriced in the 90's. Atari Jaguar is underrated and was underpriced in the 90's. :)

    And there we have the most stupid post in the thread. Quoted for posterity! You don't even deserve to be responded because:

     

    1 - You have no idea of what you're talking about.

     

    2 - You're just a fanboy troll who only wants people attention.

     

    3 - Both previous options.

     

    I would bet option 3 wins, hands down.

     

     

    The Neo Geo X is a decent little homage to the original, but definitely not up to the build quality of real SNK hardware.

    Neo Geo X is an insult to SNKs masterpiece, awful emulation that even with the revision Tommo made is a shame in itself (it has been ages since there are spot on emulators available) and awful build quality. And you call it decent homage? A PSP plays Neo Geo games much better.

     

    I was excited when I heard the Neo X was in development and I was decided to buy it if it finally was decent but the result is really bad, so bad even SNKP retired the license. To play this crap I prefer to stay with MAME and save the money for something else. The box is nice though.

     

    So, you buy a NEO Geo CD to play fighting games and you buy a Neo X and are happy with it... dude, there's something wrong in your decisions don't you think... ;)

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    JAGUAR, 3DO, AND THE CDI

    in Atari Jaguar

    Posted

    How is it when you're presented with logical arguments backed by facts on here you respond with opinions (LOL my friend laughed for 2 minutes!) or nonsense logic (1990 - 2004 isn't 14 years)? Allow me to prove my point while using your debating skills:

    I told my friend about your friend laughing for 2 minutes and my friend laughed for THREE minutes. Therefore the Neo Geo was a success.

    LOL! Best post ever, I've been laughing for about 5 minutes!! :lol:

     

    There's no problem, he doesn't want to recognize something obvious, I give up...

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    JAGUAR, 3DO, AND THE CDI

    in Atari Jaguar

    Posted

    The key here is that the Neo Geo AES/CD/MVS platform can't be separated from its arcade and home versions. It's all one in the same, which is one of the key aspects of this aberrant platform. So while it clearly didn't set the market ablaze in its home versions, it was a dominant, long-lived, and influential arcade platform. Taken as a complete platform, from its longevity to overall quality, and yes, software depth, it's hard to look at it as anything but a success. On the other hand, if someone were to argue that the Neo Geo Pocket series was a failure, that's easy enough to agree with for very practical reasons (not for anything other than the side comment, but the Neo Geo Pocket Color d-pad is probably my favorite on a handheld).

     

     

    Again, perfect description. ;)

     

    The Pocket was a failure on sales and lifespan, the console itself is great and has several top games. I have a B/W Pocket since it was released and it's a platform which deserved much more but the Game Boy Pocket/Color was a very tough competitor with an enormous fan base from the original Game Boy, and backwards compatibility. I also agree the NGP d-pad is excellent, specially for fighting games, no other handheld plays that genre as well as the NGP.

    Atari Jaguar Gorf, White box #13 of 50

    in Buy, Sell, and Trade

    Posted

    Well, I bought a fake Gorf CD years back from a german guy called High Voltage in eBay (the seller told me it was original), luckily I paid 20€ but for a fake it is a lot of money.

     

    Maybe it's just a coincidence but this AA High Voltage always writes when someone talks/sells this title, showed his original game and has exactly the same nick... I just hope he's not german, if he is... :roll:

     

    OP, good luck with the sale and sorry for the off topic.

    JAGUAR, 3DO, AND THE CDI

    in Atari Jaguar

    Posted

     

    Again, you are both trying to rewrite history to state the Neo Geo wasn't a commercial failure. It clearly was. SNK collapsed ultimately from the failure of its Neo Geo hardware. There has been hardware with far longer lives that have sold millions more in hardware than Neo Geo which are still considered commercial failures like the Sega Master System and Sega Dreamcast. Perhaps the scale of its failure was smaller compared to machines like Jaguar or CD32.... But ultimately the Neo Geo, Amiga CD32, Dreamcast and Jaguar were all responsible for the ultimate financial implosions of their respective companies = that is the definition of a commercial failure. Atari, Commodore, SNK Playmore and Sega have all bounced back in one form or another (with 3 out of the 4 now focusing on software exclusively).

     

    If I had to rate my Top 20 favorite consoles of all time -- the Neo Geo and Jaguar make my list. Probably about 70% of my favorites were commerical failures (I really liked the Atari 5200). It doesn't change how much I like any of them, but I just think I have a better grasp on the reality of the commercial environment in which they existed.

    No, you're confused, SNK lived their last 14 years thanks (as hardware seller) to Neo Geo hardware, the reasons of the bankrupt were the end of the arcades in most of the world and the fails that were the Neo Geo CD, Hyper 64 and Neo Geo Pocket. Developing those systems was the true financial failure but, again, they did that development thanks to the profit they had selling MVS and home formats.

     

    As has been written before in this thread SNK and Sega went bankrupt because of bad past moves, neither the Neo Geo or Dreamcast had nothing to do with that.

     

    TBH, this is the first time I ever read or heard the Neo Geo was a commercial failure, if you want to think it was it's fine though. ;)

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    JAGUAR, 3DO, AND THE CDI

    in Atari Jaguar

    Posted · Edited by Rubio80

     

    Again, "reasonably diverse" is a fair descriptor of the Neo Geo's library (and not that it matters, but this is from someone who has a large AES collection, as well as an MVS board and multi-cart). It's only missing a few key genres, and, more importantly, if nothing more than as a by product of nearly all games being designed for the arcade environment first, most are quite polished and extremely playable. It's an odd duck of a system to be sure and certainly a true niche of a home system, but there were genuine benefits to the high price of entry. With all of that in mind, I still maintain comparing the Neo Geo to pretty much anything else is rather fruitless, however, because it really was its own thing, in many ways only classifiable with something like a Vectrex, i.e., a unique system/business model that has never been exactly duplicated before or since. As such, it just doesn't make much sense as a platform to compare against the Jaguar (and, let's face it, outside of the Jaguar faithful, few would prefer the Jaguar to the Neo Geo).

     

    The most valid comparison for the Jaguar is really with the 3DO as in the OT (moreso than with the CD-i), with arguably the best way the Jaguar was competitive was in having a far lower initial cost of entry (that gap lessened over time with the successive price drops) and mostly a game-centric, rather than mixed media (edutainment, etc.), library (although with over 200 more titles on the 3DO, even taking away the multimedia "fluff," there are still a lot more games to choose from). What's interesting is that for a variety of reasons, the 3DO has a lower cost of entry these days for modern day collectors than the Jaguar (the Neo Geo of course, from the console to the software, still probably has the highest overall cost for modern day collecting).

    This post is objectively one of the best in this hilarious thread.

     

    JagCD, you're correct when you say the Neo games are mainly fighters but there are so many good non fighter games it should be pointless to make a list of them, specially when you're saying you know its library... Also, collecting fighters for the Neo Geo CD is not the best idea unless you enjoy loosing hours of your life with loading times and playing downgraded games with less animations, loading times between rounds and tiny sprites don't you think? Fighters = cartdridge, yes or yes, the rest in CD are ok. ;)

     

    I am one of the people who enjoy playing sport games and non fighters in the Neo Geo (weirdo? maybe!) but I think it is pointless to try to make you understand your opinion is just that, your opinion. I would love to see in the Jaguar library high quality games like Neo Turf Masters, Baseball Stars series, Soccer Brawl, Sidekicks series, Windjammers, Metal Slug, Shock Troopers and a long etc...

     

    Also, for example, comparing SkyHammer to Pulstar doesn't make so much sense, yes, you shoot things and baddies in both but besides of that are completely different games, you can compare it better with Raiden or Trevor McLOL.

     

    BTW, I also have a quite decent Neo Geo collection (80+ cart games between MVS kits and home carts, some CD titles too) and I own all SNK systems, also a full Jaguar cart set and some JagCD games, I think I know both systems and their libraries very well.

     

    Regarding the Neo Geo being successful, as madman says, 14 years receiving games continuously can't be called a failure. SNK made their main profit with the MVS, the home console was just a bonus and a way to make more profit with the same games, the ROMS are exactly the same with the difference of the size of the boards to make them non compatible. A MVS kit cost back then 3-4 times more than a home cart, just remember that. Does Ferrari needs to sell so many cars as Ford to be profitable and successful? I think they don't.

     

    Now on topic (!), I think the 3DO has a better library than the Jaguar, superb racing games, top fighters, RPGs, sport games... but I enjoy playing them, both consoles have fun games.

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