Chuck Gill
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I just got an email from a guy who has had a TutorVision for 25 years. That makes 4 that I know of, including mine. There must be more game carts for these systems out there in the wild.
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Here are some pictures I took of Chuck's Tutorvision that was on display at the Midwest Gaming Classic in Milwaukee yesterday. It was set up in its display case with a powered ventilation fan and the Map Mazes game booted up from an LTO Flash.
The lighting in that area of the room was tough, but the camera did a respectable job of compensating. These photos are not adjusted in any way, but I did reduce their size to post here.
Sadly, I couldn't get a hands-on demonstration, as Chuck wasn't around to give a tour and both controllers were inside the case. But it was still cool to see.
Nice photos. I should have left a note with my number on it so you could text me. It was a huge show, my wife and I were there someplace. A couple of my museum friends did tell me that someone was looking for me. We tried to hang around the museum in case you returned.
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Wow!
Not only is the Tutorvision impressive, the display case with dual fan forced airflow is impressive as well!
It got pretty hot leaving it on for hours at a time. The fan totally did the trick, it stays cool as a cucumber.
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The Midwest Gaming Classic starts Friday April 13 2018. My wife and I will be there with the TutorVision, Stop by and say hello.
Chuck
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I wanted to post these TutorVision rom files in a more conspicuous place. The original downloads were hard to find.
So far I only have the two games I own.
Chuck
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Anyone wanna guinea pig something for me? Especially *cough* Lathe *cough* as I'm curious what his system says with this ROM. I whipped up something that in theory tests all of the various chips that make a Tutorvision (or a TutorPro). I can't actually test for Lathe's system (it has the motherboard but not the EXEC, which can't currently be tested in an emulator) so I'm really interested if I got this right.
This'll also detect anyone with a SuperPro or INTV III, that has the INTV 2. At least I think so. Those are out there, so it's worth knowing in case you want to play Donkey Kong and just can't.
If someone could try this on a full-blown Tutorvision that'd be swell!
I tried it on my TutorVision and it did nothing but display a solid green screen. Hit reset , same result.
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It means you have the Tutorvision GROM. Next step is to try to play Worm Whomper on it. Apparently the worms won't look right, if you have the full board.Also weren't the Tutorvision ROMs released on one of these threads? Couldn't a person just put them on an LTO Flash! and see what happens?
Brilliant idea, I did release the roms of the two games I have.
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I and David Harley dumped the roms of 3 tutorvision games:
- Geo Graphics
- Map Mazes
- Shapes In Space
We could produce these games with box, manual and all, BUT they would work only on tutorvision consoles and on some (not all) of Super Pro System consoles.
So, they would be mainly pieces for collectors (but could be played on emulator on pc).
If we do it, anyone would buy them?
Thanks:)
Alessandro
Alessandro, I dumped two of those using David Harley's dumper. Map Mazes and Shapes in Space were mine, where did the third game come from?
Chuck
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I was going to release these after we dumped the wbexec and grom, but due to popular demand here are the files from the two games I have.
-Chuck
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Very Very nice find!
I hope that you will allow the carts to be dumped so that they can be shared among the community. You have a very unique find there.
The carts have been dumped and will be released along with the exec and grom in a couple of weeks.
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I don't think he would want to sell it anytime soon. He brings it every year to display at mgc and I think he really enjoys doing so.
Can you believe he got it for $5
I do enjoy bringing it and so does my wife. The MGC is a blast I'd hate to miss it, this year (2017) we will be bringing the TutorVision, a regular Intellivision and a Vectrex. We may bring an Atari 800 XL if space permits.
Oh and I promised Alessandro Pace first crack at it when and if I do sell it.
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The wbexec could be different but it doesn't have to be. The Revised Exec for Tutorvision and the narrow font routines could be put on each cartridge.
The boards look different but the components are the same as a regular intellivision. You can see it has a full 2KB of gram, 2609s had 512B and IIs had 1KB. The Intellivision memory map always supported 2KB gram but Intellivisions were wired to ignore more than 512B. A regular Intellivision could only buffer 25% of the screen. From Tutorvision screenshots it would need at least 50%. 2KB gram is enough to buffer the entire screen.
Modifying an Intellivision emulator to support Tutorvision should be a matter of increasing addressable gram. Jzintv source code is there for anyone.
If Tutorvision cartridges don't start in an Intellivision II it could be because of a possible revised exec rom. Or it could be because the cartridge checks for extra gram (otherwise text would be garbled). Or it could be because it fails the intellivision II Mattel lockout.
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How many regular Intellivision cartridges were tested? Its possible some might have messed up graphics on a Tutorvision but they all should run. Does the standard font look normal with regular Intellivision games on a Tutorvision?
Since I acquired the TutorVision I have amassed a decent number of Intellivision games and they all look fine on the TutorVision. I also have a couple of orginal Intellivision Master Components and the TutorVision games just present a black screen on those.
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Very Very nice find!
I hope that you will allow the carts to be dumped so that they can be shared among the community. You have a very unique find there.
The carts have been dumped and we are going to try and dump the EXEC and GROM at the 2017 Midwest Gaming Classic.
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I do have old pictures of screenshots I will round some up. It does play any regular Intellivision game as well. Including coleco and activision games. The only difference is a half height proportional font that the edugames can use.Chuck,
Nice find! I wish I was that fortunate with garage sales and/or estate sales. The best I came across so far was a Tomy Tutor unit (which I passed on).
Do you have any video or pictures of either of the games? I'm sure the rest of the group would be interested. Also, out of curiosity, have you tried playing any Intellivision games on it as well?
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Thanks for the post! Love the opportunity to see it (even if it is only secondhand). Very cool of the owner to display it at the show and allow access to it. Something that rare, I'm not sure I would be as cool.
Atari_Bill, The room we were in had a lot of rare items. The only Intellivision besides mine had the piano keyboard, which was pretty cool.
I was lusting after an Atari Video Music and The only Atari Game Brain I have ever seen.
-Chuck
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I already promised someone the first chance to buy it from me if and when I decide to sell it. I was asked to bring it back to the MGC in 2015, and I intend to do that.
What would you all like to see pictures of?
-Chuck
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I'm sorry I wasn't in the room when you were checking it out. The TutorVision referenced in the BSR paper was Ted Brunner's, he found his in a thrift shop in Skokie, IL a few years before I found mine.
I found this one with two TutorVision cartridges in Batavia, IL in 2005 at a garage sale.
-Chuck
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Fry's also has a $3.99 PS/2 female to male usb adapter that should allow a mouse with a PS/2 connector to work with the Irish adapter. I haven't tested this though.
I tested it with an HP optical mouse that had a PS/2 plug on the end of the cord, I plugged it in to the Fry's adapter and it worked fine with the Ebay adapter
-Chuck
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I now this is an old thread but it may be still of interest. I just received one of the "Irish" adapters from Ebay. I tried every mouse I had stashed away and none of them worked. I saw in a post from crash that the Logitech M110 optical mouse would work. I went to Fry's Electronics and they had the white version in stock for only $9.99. I picked one up and low and behold it works great!
Fry's also has a $3.99 PS/2 female to male usb adapter that should allow a mouse with a PS/2 connector to work with the Irish adapter. I haven't tested this though.
-Chuck
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It does write the backups in an unprotected format, you can copy them with a sector copier. They still won't run without the Impossible board. The Impossible does plug into the socket that the OS chip was in. Of course all markings on the chips were removed to make it harder to reverse engineer.
All the Electronic Arts games stop and say "Remove rom at $C000" if they found anything there. That's what they do on my 130XE with a custom OS.
-Chuck
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sloopy.
Sloopy, thanks! Exactly what I was looking for.
-Chuck
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I have an 800 with "The Impossible" disk backup system installed in it. The board is a custom OS board that allows you to duplicate a copy protected disk on an unmodified disk drive. The only catch is that the disk will only play on a computer with an impossible board installed.
I lost all my Antic and Analog magazines a few years ago and I would appreciate it if someone could scan an image of an advertisement for The Impossible. I remember seeing them frequently in the magazine ads back in the day.
-Chuck
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Just a bit of an update. There are three of these in existence that I know of. Ted Brunner has one just like mine, google him and you can see some photos. Someone else emailed me photos of one he had found. Unfortunately it had all the TutorVision and World Book emblems scratched off. I can't recall his name offhand. All three of these were found in the greater Chicago area. World Book did have their offices there. I would imagine The Blue Sky Rangers probably have one as well.
I'm not sure how many of the game cartridges for it exist.
-Chuck
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Another Intellivision TutorVision
in Intellivision / Aquarius
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It turns out it was one that I knew about. It's the one that has the TutorVision and World book logos scratched off.