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Sorry, the Japanese was going enter the western market as game console makers even if the 7800 was released in 1982. The first problem is Atari would've missed up the game launch for the 7800 in 1982 like they Atari 5200. A lot of the Atari 7800 planned launch titles in 1984 were not possible in 1982 and Atari would've released games like Super Breakout instead . The only Atari 7800 launch titles planned in 1984 could've been released in 1982 for certain is Asteroids, and Centipede. Ms. Pac-Man is debatable because Atari released Pac-Man for the 2600 in 1981, but they released it on their 8 bit computer in 1982 Dessert Falcon was not going to happen because that game was influenced by Zaxxon and Zaxxon came out in 1982. Atari 7800 was not going to have Galaga as a launch title in 1982 because Galaxian was not released on a Atari system yet. Robotron 2084, Dig Dug, Joust, and Xevious were released in the arcades in 1982 and it was not possible for having them on a game console that year and had to wait for 1983 at the earliest. Food Fight, Pole Position ii, Track and Field, Ballblazer, and Rescue on Fractalus were games that not possible to be a game console before 1984. The 2nd problem would've been Atari releasing the same new title for the 7800 and 2600 during the Atari 5200's Lifetime under Warner. What I mentioned would've a repeat of the 7800 because a lot of the 7800 titles were on the 2600. The 3rd problem would've been while the 7800 could 48k cartridges before bankswitching, the cost of doing 32k or 48k cartridge in 1982 was going to be an issue due to Atari had to wait around 1984 to do a 32k game cartridge. I mentioned Cartridge size because it could really show the capabilities of a 7800 right away. The final problem is the potential price of Atari 7800 games in 1982 and 1983 due to the system not having the amount of ram of a 5200 and needing a Pokey sound chip built in a game cartridge.

The 5200 was not going to every bit the success the 2600 was if the 5200 been backwards compatible and better joysticks. You have backwards compatibility and better joysticks, but it the game library even from the start matters. What a system has for games is a key factor if a consumer is going to buy the system or not. Atari screwed up the Atari 5200 launch from a game standpoint and had other game issues with the 5200. Atari deciding on Super Breakout as a Pack-in game for the Atari 5200 was a terrible move compare to Colecovision had Donkey Kong. Super Breakout by 1982 was not acceptable as a pack-in title. The problem is Super Breakout was old news by 1982 and it already was released on the Atari 2600 before the 5200 was launch. Colecovision had an edge on the 5200 for a pack-in- title because Donkey Kong was a hug arcade hit in 1981 compare to Super Breakout being a 1978 arcade game. Atari also made the mistake of releasing Berzerk, Defender, Missile command, Pac-Man, Space Invaders, and Star Raiders for the Atari 5200 during its lifetime with a huge problem to the eye of consumers. All the games I mentioned were released for the Atari 2600 before the 5200 was released anywhere from a couple months to over 2 years depending on the game in question. The reason I mentioned this is people who seen the 5200 version of the games I mentioned could've thought in their heads didn't I bought this game for the Atari 2600 already. Atari also made the mistake of Atari 2600 releasing the same new games as the Atari 5200 even after system was launched and the 5200 didn't get a lot of exclusive game titles a lot. From a consumer standpoint, what Atari did was a mistake because they gave no reason for a consumer to buy their newer game console outside of better graphics and sound.

The catch is Pole Position ii was supposed to be released in 1984 on the Atari 7800 and that is before Rad Racer came out. Pole Position II was one of the planned Atari 7800 Launch games that was dated by the time the Atari 7800 came out in 1986 instead of 1984. Racing games in 1984 were not as advanced as they were going to be in 1986 and 1987.

Atari could've done worse than Pole Position ii as a Pack-in considering some of the other Launch titles such as Asteroids. Asteroids was a good game, but it not the game to showcase a game console as a Pack-in even in 1984. The 7800 for some of its launch titles had the problem of being released on a different Atari game console and wouldn't be ideal as a pack-in game.

I checked the Atari 7800 Wikipedia page recently and the launch price was changed from $140.00 to $79.95. The Launch section of the 7800 Wiki page mentioned the $79.95 price. Here is proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_7800 I read the $79.95 price from this statement from the launch section of the Atari 7800 Wikipedia page: "The console was released nationwide in May 1986 for $79.95." My problem is in the past, the launch price was $140.00 for the Atari 7800. I also grew up in the 1980s using Christmas Catalog's for making out my Christmas Lists. The prices for the 7800 were more expensive than Wikipedia claimed of it being $79.95. as a launch price based on the 1987 and 1988 Christmas Catalogs. The Christmas catalogs online refreshed my memory on the prices. There are 2 Christmas Catalogs that have the proof that the currently Wikipedia's claim of Atari 7800 Launch price of $79.95 is wrong. 1987 Jcpenny's Christmas Catalog. The 1987 Jcpenny's Christmas Catalog lower the price of the 7800 from $99.99 to $79.99. That points to JCPenny was selling the system for $99.99 earlier in 1987. Here is the link the Jcpenny Catalog 7800 page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/wishbook/4590570452/in/album-72157623800858939/ The 1988 Christmas Sears Catalog has the Atari 7800 for $89.99. Here is proof: https://www.flickr.com/photos/wishbook/2098601521/in/album-72157603419794725/ What I am getting at is the two Cristmas Catalog's prices are higher than the "claimed" launch price Wikipedia is currently giving despite the two Catalogs were from 1987 and 1988.

I am not what you call a young member, but I did not own a 2600 before 1988. What happened was I wanted an Intellivision ii for Christmas in 1983 or 1984 and I got for Christmas that year. I can't remember the year anymore. Mine includes a system charger. I had also had some 2600 games along with some Intellivision games . The other thing is I remember not playing any video games from 1985 to the later part of 1987 at home despite me playing games like Q*bert at Chuck E. Cheese. What I did in that era was play stuff like Transfomers, Hot Wheels, etc. at the time. My dad got my younger brother and I into video games. I got the Atari 2600 game console in 1988 when my dad took me along to get a new system with budget being one of the things considered. I was between the 2600 and 7800 at the time and I picked the 2600. I got a 7800 a year later, but I continued to played 2600 games through 1991. I recalled having over 130 different 2600 games through 1991. I found alot of 2600 games cheap at flea markets or at discounted prices at places such as Circus World. Some of my top highlights for games from my 1988 to 1991 Atari owner era included Road Runner, Midnight Magic, Jr. Pac-man, Millipede, Phoenix, Wizard of Wor, California games, and Q*bert. I called those games some of my top highlights because they were some of my favorite games I grew up enjoying. I didn't get back to playing Atari till the late 1990s when I was in college. My younger brother and I still buy games for the system today including hacks, reproductions, and Homebrews.

I doubt it, but Billy is going to be at the Midwest Gaming Classic on Saturday. One of My local tv stations talked to the people at the Midwest Gaming Classic this morning. It sounds like Billy is going show people techniques on how to play the arcade version of Donkey Kong.

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This is something that actually help Albert out in terms of Super Circus Atariage and Brentley Bear's Crystal Quest. Albert has a tough time getting Pokey Sound chip for putting them into game cartridges due to supply. The problem is caused by Ballblazer and Commando being the only 2 7800 games with a pokey sound chip. I'm sure Froggie has similar problems since it needs a pokey sound chip as a homebrew game. The XM having the Pokey Soundchip built in actually would eliminate the need of adding a Pokey Sound chip in a game cartridge. That would lower the cost of a 7800 cartridge a little bit on Super Circus Atariage and Brentley Bear's Crystal Quest and also would influence programmers to make more games with a Pokey Sound chip.

I did booth I gave My younger brother the following games: Tower of Doom - Intellivision Bump'n Jump - Intellivision Rock'n Ball - Nes Capcom Fighting Evolution - Playstation 2 Tokimeki Memorial: Taisen Puzzle Dama - Saturn Goofy's Hysterical History Tour - Genesis Revenge of Drancon - Game Gear Tom & Jerry: Mouse Hunt - Game Boy Color Yoshi Topsy Turvy - Game Boy Advance Balloon Kid - Game Boy Game & Watch 3 - Game Boy Color Here is what I received for Christmas: Bust-a-Move - Game Gear Keio Flying Squadron - Sega Cd Brutal: Paws of Fury - Sega Cd Space Battle - Atari 2600 Checkered Flag - Lynx Crazy Climber - Famicom Shanghai - Famicom Shanghai 2 - Famicom B-Wings - Famicom Choplifter - Famicom Ninja Cop Saizou - Famicom Fantasy Zone 2 - Famicom Argus - Famicom Mr.Do! - Gameboy Ever Oasis - 3DS Dragon Quest VII: Fragments of the Forgotten Past - 3DS Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King - 3DS Mario & Rabbids: Kingdom Battle - Nintendo Switch Sonic Force: Bonus Edition - Nintendo Switch If you are wondering, The Nintendo Switch, and the 2 Switch games was something I received despite not being on my Christmas List.

Space Invaders and Jr Pac-Man are already released for the Atari 7800. They are in the Atariage store.

Jumpman Junior Oregon Trail King's Quest

Since you asked about Atari, I'm going mention 7800 and lynx games on my Christmas list besides the 2600. Armor attack 2 -7800 Astro Fighter - 7800 Frenzy - 7800 Halo 2600 - 2600 Moon Cresta - 7800 Space Battle - 2600 Space Duel - 7800 Star Castle arcade - 2600 Medieval Mayhem - 2600 Star Fire - 2600 Gyruss - 2600 Roc'n Rope - 2600 Checkered Flag - Lynx Pinball Jam - Lynx Xenophobe - Lynx

I can not speak how tough the SNES Classic is to find in my own experience since I am not interested one. I know a member of a Disney forum mentioning that he couldn't find SNES Classic for his 10 year old son for Christmas in stores. What it sounded like his son told him he wanted one for Christmas, but it was sold out by the time his told him wanted for Christmas. He didn't want to buy it on Ebay due to the prices. I want to how much of that is due to supply and how much of it caused by people buying it for just selling it online. I mentioned online because people might be buying a bunch of SNES classic systems at once as way to make money. I also know a local used video game store has it brand new, but its one of the prizes for a raffle on December 21st.

There are multiple things about Nintendo and homebrews that you need to know. Nintendo didn't go after the Intellivision homebrew scene for the multiple Donkey Kong homebrew games despite selling them on cartridge. Nintendo didn't go after the Colecovision homebrew scene for Mario Bros either despite being sold on cartridge also. I believe the Mario Bros. Colecovision games and the Multiple DK games on Intellivision are sold out with Nintendo not able to do a thing about it now. At the time the DK games were made on cartridge, I was surprised Nintendo didn't stop the sale of the homebrew DK games based on how Nintendo is with anything from a legal standpoint. What happened with Princess Rescue was the video game media made a big deal out of Princess Rescue unlike the homebrew games because the 2600 is a very famous system and combine Princess Rescue being a Super Mario Bros clone. Those two things would make the video game media cover a homebrew game considering the 2600 was not designed for anything like a Super Mario game in mind. IGN matter of fact did a video on Princess Rescue before the game was pulled. The Gaming media didn't cover the Intellivision homebrew scene for the Donkey Kong games and the Colecovision homebrew games was due to a combination the 2 systems are not on the same level as the 2600 in popularity and Nintendo IP's in question didn't push the systems limits like Princess Rescue did for the 2600.

Crystal Castles is the only one owned by Atari aka Infogrames. Before Midway declared Bankrupcy in the 2000s, they owned Marble Madness. Warner Bros. Entertainment currently owns Marble Madness. When Warner sold Atari to Tramiel, the coin up arcade division wasn't part of the sale. I believe Tramiel had rights to arcade games that were released before July of 1984 or had some rights to them. I am mentioning this because the current Atari has used bunch of titles that were the Atari arcade division created before July of 1984. What Infogrames aka Atari owns is the same stuff as the Tramiel family used to own for IP rights.

Atari 7800 is able to handle a 3/4 perspective games. I am going by how the 7800 handled Desert Falcon. The 7800 handled Desert Falcon better than the 2600 was able to. Desert Falcon is Zaxxon-esque shooter. Desert Falcon I believe is the only proof that the 7800 can handle 3/4 prospective games. Atariprotos.com has information on the two versions of Desert Falcon and has images also. Here is a link to Atari Protos.com Atari 2600 Desert Falcon page: http://www.atariprotos.com/2600/software/desertfalcon/desertfalcon.htm Here is a link to the Atari Protos.com Atari 7800 Desert Falcon page : http://www.atariprotos.com/7800/software/desertfalcon/desertfalcon.htm

What happened was I didn't get all the top Atari 7800 games during my first 3 years as a 7800 owner aka 1989 to 1991. I didn't have Commando at the time. There was games I saw in the 1990 Sears Catalog I wanted, but I didn't get such as Midnight Mutants as an example. Double Dragon from a graphical stand point is a lot to be desired as I got more games in the 7800 game library. The 2nd thing is the discovery of Plutos and Sirius Prototypes revealed how good the 7800 actually was from a graphical standpoint. The other thing is you are selling the system short. The 7800 has a great port of Commando. Midnight Mutants is one of the true great games for the system. Bob's Brentley Brear's Crystal Quest also shows what the 7800 is capable of it from a graphical standpoint. The truth is what Bob did was possible back in the Tramiel era from a graphical standpoint back because he didn't use use extra memory at all and the 7800 had two games released during its lifetime that were 144k cartridges. The 2 144k game cartridges in question were Alien Brigade and Crossbow were 144k game cartridges. As far as making the game better. I have suggestions. This is a game that needs to be 256k and a pokey sound chip. The game is missing moves and objects that the players used in the arcade game. The port we got was weaker than the programmers actually tried for. The 7800 version of Double Dragon had stuff that was either unseen or not used. I'm talking about the unused animations for throwing boulders, and a balcony for the final battle that is never seen because the screen didn't scroll enough. I'm guessing the unused stuff is due to due to Tramiel only up to 144k Cartrige games and Double Dragon was on 128k instead of SMS and Nes having 256k versions of Double Dragon.

I'm sad to hear this and 49 is way too young. While I first became a member in 2005, I knew about the Atari 7800 homebrew community since 2001. At the time Ken did Beefdrop, Ken did the most impressive homebrew game for the system. Ken Siders was a great Atari 7800 homebrew programmer. Beef Drop and B@nq are must have homebrew Atari 7800 games. I hope someone can finish Ken's Tetris game for the system. My condolences are to Ken's friends and family.

The last time I bought homebrew games from Atariage was in 2007. I can't do a review for 2 of the homebrew games I bought. Santa Simon is Holiday cart that Atariage no longer sells. I also own a copy of Beefdrop that has pokey sound chip inside the game cartridge. The problem is that version of Beefdrop hasn't been sold in years with it being a limited edition. The homebrew games I get are from my younger brother are from ebay or from the Atariage store as gifts. I'll see what I can do for reviews later.

Atari actually didn't have the arcade games for doing amazing ports for the 7800. Jack Tramiel didn't own the arcade division of Atari. The 7800 was affecting by tramiel multiple ways from a negative standpoint. What happened was Tramiel bought some parts of Atari from Warner, but not the whole company. What Tramiel bought was the computer division of Atari and the rights of Atari game consoles despite the 7800 not being part of the sale at all. The arcade division of Atari was renamed Atari Games Corporation. The arcade division not being part of the sale hurt the Atari 7800. The only way for Tramiel to get arcade games was buying a license for them. Jack Tramiel actually needed an agreement with Atari Games Corporation for having arcade ports such as Gauntlet on the Atari 7800. The problem is the agreement didn't happen before 1988 and it was too late for the 7800, but it helped out the Atari Lynx out. The 7800 was stuck with prototypes of Pitfighter, Klax and Rampart. The 7800 also got stuck with rumors of Paperboy, Steel Talons, Toobin', Gauntlet and Road Riot 4wd.

I actually did in a different 7800 thread in 2012. Here it is: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/204268-7800-games-that-should-have-existed/?hl=%2Brastan&do=findComment&comment=2621717

Here is a link to Atari 7800 North America Sales Figures from 1986 to 1990 : http://atariage.com/forums/topic/144552-happy-25th-7800-sales-figures-attached/?hl Curt has a download attachment with the figures. People on that thread back in 2009 looked at the attachments and figured out the sales figures by adding and subtracting numbers that were listed in that attachment.

Actually what you mentioned is one of the reasons the Atari 7800 XM was announced. The 7800 XM was supposed allow a keyboard to be used and allow 8 bit computer hardware stuff like a hard drive to be used on an Atari 7800 XM. The 7800 XM also has two planned expansion ports. There is a very old Atari 7800 XM page that you can see a picture of the key that you need to scroll down a lot. Here's the link: http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/consoles/7800/expansion/ The problem is I have no idea if any of this is scrapped for the 7800 XM because Curt had the system take pre-orders in 2010 and none was shipped out yet for multiple reasons including Curt's health problems. The 7800 XM itself isn't ready yet to be shipped. The XM was supposed to be more than the computer part since it supposed to have more ram, Pokey Sound chip, and YM2151 sound chip, and a built in high score cart.

I can give you an example what an Intellixpander can do. Last Year, Opcode mentioned Castlevania and Gradius are planed games for the Intellixpander. Castlevania and Gradius are games that the Intellivision can't do well without an expansion module.