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Also are you going to use the 2k Version of Cubicolor in the next rom set? The other 2k halve is part of a Shooing Gallery WIP and has nothing to do with Cubicolor. More information can be found here:

 

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...mp;hl=cubicolor

 

 

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Also found the old link where Rob Fulop talks about Cubicolor being a 2k game. This is what originally got me interested in it.

 

http://www.digitpress.com/archives/arc00059.htm

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I already marked Gas Hog as Fixed.

 

Will check out Bridge.

 

I only have these two NTSC versions:

 

Bridge (1980) (Activision, Larry Kaplan) (AX-006)

Bridge (2600 Screen Search Console) (Jone Yuan Telephonic Enterprise Co)

 

 

Is the second one identical to the [a]lternate Activision one?

 

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Ha Ha I thought you'd say that about Cubicolor. I'm not about destroy history. The important point is the recognition that it is a 2k game, and the other halve is Shooting Gallery. I don't think many people realize that and there should be a note somewhere. :)

 

The issue with marking roms as fixed is you don't know what was "fixed". Gas Hog was listed as fixed colors, but more then the colors are fixed.

 

I'm compared Bridge many posts back in this thread, and if you look yes the [a] is 100% the same as the Screen Search. In other words they pirated the [a] version of the cart for the Screen Search Sonsole. Maybe the label should be changed then? The original has two differences one is a bad branch that will cause the game to crash if it is taken. This happens as the place it branches to is in between the instruction and the operand. There is also another change to a table but I don't have time to search through the rom to see what it does.

 

I learned a little bit of Euchere over the past year so now I understand a little bit of Bridge with the trumps and such. I can't seem to bid 8 spades or 8 anything in either version. I tried different combinations of switches too. Where is the source of the bid 8 spades anyhow? Also is the PAL version really that rare that no one has ever dumped it?

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Ok, I changed Bridge (Screen Search Console) into Bridge Fixed.

 

Yes, the amazing thing is that Activision's PAL Bridge has never been dumped:

http://www.atarimania.com/detail_soft.php?...3465&MENU=2

 

I already asked about this five years ago.

 

Same goes for the SECAM Activision carts, btw.

 

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Just an extra confirmation to Hornpipe2's Commando comparision. Indeed the only change was the logos. Nothing else is affected. The graphics of this logo run between $9E95 - $9EB3.

 

*** Commando ***

	  Commando.bin	   Commando [a].bin
	   (Data East)		  (Capcom)

$9E95	|XX  X X | $CA   | XX  X  | $64
$9E96	|X X X X | $AA   |XXXX X  | $F4
$9E97	|X X XXX | $AE   |X  X XXX| $97
$9E98	|X X X X | $AA   |X	X  | $84
$9E99	|X X XXX | $AE   |X  X X  | $94
$9E9A	|X X  X  | $A4   |XXXX XXX| $F7
$9E9B	|XX	  | $C0   | XX   XX| $63

$9E9D	| X  X X | $4A   |X X	 | $A0
$9E9E	| X  X X | $4A   |X X	X| $A1
$9E9F	| X  XXX | $4E   |X XXX  X| $B9
$9EA0	| X  X X | $4A   |X X XX X| $AD
$9EA1	| X  XXX | $4E   |X X  X X| $A5
$9EA2	|XXX  X  | $E4   |X X XX X| $AD
$9EA3	|	  | $00	 |  XXX   | $38

$9EA5	| XXX X X| $75   |XX   XX | $C6
$9EA6	| X   X X| $45   |XXX XXXX| $EF
$9EA7	| X   XXX| $47   |  X X  X| $29
$9EA8	| XX  X X| $65   |	X  X| $09
$9EA9	| X   X X| $45   |  X X  X| $29
$9EAA	| X	X | $42   |XXX XXXX| $EF
$9EAB	| XXX  | $70	 |XX   XX | $C6

$9EAD	| XX   X | $62   | X   X  | $44
$9EAE	|   X  X | $12   | X   X  | $44
$9EAF	|   X  X | $12   | X X X  | $54
$9EB0	|  X   X | $22   | X X X  | $54
$9EB1	| X	X | $42   | XXXXX  | $7C
$9EB2	|  XX XXX| $37   | XX XX  | $6C
$9EB3	|	  | $00	 | X   X  | $44


XX			   XXX
X X  X  XXX  X   X	X   XX XXX
X X XXX  X  XXX  X   X X X	X
X X X X  X  X X  XX  X X  X   X
X X XXX  X  XXX  X   XXX   X  X
X X X X  X  X X  X   X X   X  X
XX  X X  X  X X  XXX X X XX   X


 XX   XX  XXX   XX   XX  X   X
XXXX XXXX X XX XXXX XXXX XX XX
X  X X  X X  X X  X X  X XXXXX
X	X  X X XX X	X  X X X X
X  X XXXX XXX  X  X X  X X X X
XXXX X  X X	XXXX XXXX X   X
 XX  X  X X	 XX   XX  X   X

 

The logo at the top of the screen goes © 1988, then Activision, © 1986, and then either Data East or Capcom.

 

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From $1F00 - $1F63 are the graphics for the numbers in Atlantis. The only difference in the [a] version of Atlantis and the original is strictly in the fonts used for the graphics. I show those below as well as the Atlantis II fonts for an extra comparision.

 

 

*** Atlantis ***


Atlantis:

;		 XXX	 $1C | $1F09		 X X	  $28 | $1F13		X XXXX	$5E | $1F1D		X XXXX	$5E | $1F27			X X   $05 | $1F31
;		XX XX	$36 | $1F08		 XXX	  $38 | $1F12		XXX  XX   $73 | $1F1C		XXX  XX   $73 | $1F26		   XXX	$0E | $1F30
;		XX XX	$36 | $1F07		  XX	  $18 | $1F11		XX   XX   $63 | $1F1B		XX   XX   $63 | $1F25		  XXXX	$1E | $1F2F
;		XX XX	$36 | $1F06		  XX	  $18 | $1F10		XX   XX   $63 | $1F1A			 XX   $03 | $1F24		 XX XX	$36 | $1F2E
;	   XXX XXX   $77 | $1F05		  XX	  $18 | $1F0F			 XX   $03 | $1F19		  XXXX	$1E | $1F23		XX  XX	$66 | $1F2D
;		XX XX	$36 | $1F04		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F0E			XX	$06 | $1F18			 XX   $03 | $1F22		XXXXXXX   $7F | $1F2C
;		XX XX	$36 | $1F03		  XX	  $18 | $1F0D		   XX	 $0C | $1F17			 XX   $03 | $1F21			XX	$06 | $1F2B
;		XX XX	$36 | $1F02		  XX	  $18 | $1F0C		  XX  X   $19 | $1F16		XX   XX   $63 | $1F20			XX	$06 | $1F2A
;		XX XX	$36 | $1F01		  XX	  $18 | $1F0B		 XXXXXX   $3F | $1F15		XX  XXX   $67 | $1F1F			XX	$06 | $1F29
;		 XXX	 $1C | $1F00		XXXXXX	$7E | $1F0A		XXXXXXX   $7F | $1F14		XXXXXX	$7E | $1F1E		   X  X   $09 | $1F28


;	   XXXXXXX   $7F | $1F3B		  XXXX	$1E | $1F45		XXXXXXX   $7F | $1F4F		 XXXXX	$3E | $1F59		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F63
;	   XXXXXX	$7E | $1F3A		 XX  XX   $33 | $1F44		 XXXXXX   $3F | $1F4E		XXX XXX   $77 | $1F58		XX XXX	$6E | $1F62
;	   X		 $40 | $1F39		 X   XX   $23 | $1F43			XX	$06 | $1F4D		XX   XX   $63 | $1F57		X   XX	$46 | $1F61
;	   X		 $40 | $1F38		 X		$20 | $1F42		   XX	 $0C | $1F4C		XXX XXX   $77 | $1F56		XX  XX	$66 | $1F60
;	   XXXXXX	$7E | $1F37		 X		$20 | $1F41		  XX	  $18 | $1F4B		 XXXXX	$3E | $1F55		XXXXXXX   $7F | $1F5F
;			XX   $03 | $1F36		XXXXXX	$7E | $1F40		 XX	   $30 | $1F4A		 XX XX	$36 | $1F54			XX	$06 | $1F5E
;			XX   $03 | $1F35		 X   XX   $23 | $1F3F		XXXX	  $78 | $1F49		XX   XX   $63 | $1F53			XX	$06 | $1F5D
;	   XX   XX   $63 | $1F34		 X   XX   $23 | $1F3E		 XX	   $30 | $1F48		XX   XX   $63 | $1F52		XX  XX	$66 | $1F5C
;	   XXXXXXX   $7F | $1F33		 XX  XX   $33 | $1F3D		 XX	   $30 | $1F47		XXX XXX   $77 | $1F51		XX  XX	$66 | $1F5B
;		XXXXX	$3E | $1F32		  XXXX	$1E | $1F3C		 XX	   $30 | $1F46		 XXXXX	$3E | $1F50		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F5A



Atlantis [a]:

;				 $00 | $1F09				  $00 | $1F13				  $00 | $1F1D				  $00 | $1F27				  $00 | $1F31
;				 $00 | $1F08				  $00 | $1F12				  $00 | $1F1C				  $00 | $1F26				  $00 | $1F30
;		XXXX	 $3C | $1F07		  XX	  $18 | $1F11		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F1B		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F25		   XX	 $0C | $1F2F
;	   XX  XX	$66 | $1F06		 XXX	  $38 | $1F10		X   XX	$46 | $1F1A		X   XX	$46 | $1F24		  XXX	 $1C | $1F2E
;	   XX  XX	$66 | $1F05		  XX	  $18 | $1F0F			XX	$06 | $1F19			XX	$06 | $1F23		 X XX	 $2C | $1F2D
;	   XX  XX	$66 | $1F04		  XX	  $18 | $1F0E			XX	$06 | $1F18		   XX	 $0C | $1F22		X  XX	 $4C | $1F2C
;	   XX  XX	$66 | $1F03		  XX	  $18 | $1F0D		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F17		   XX	 $0C | $1F21		XXXXXX	$7E | $1F2B
;	   XX  XX	$66 | $1F02		  XX	  $18 | $1F0C		XX		$60 | $1F16			XX	$06 | $1F20		   XX	 $0C | $1F2A
;	   XX  XX	$66 | $1F01		  XX	  $18 | $1F0B		XX		$60 | $1F15		X   XX	$46 | $1F1F		   XX	 $0C | $1F29
;		XXXX	 $3C | $1F00		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F0A		XXXXXX	$7E | $1F14		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F1E		   XX	 $0C | $1F28


;				 $00 | $1F3B				  $00 | $1F45				  $00 | $1F4F				  $00 | $1F59				  $00 | $1F63
;				 $00 | $1F3A				  $00 | $1F44				  $00 | $1F4E				  $00 | $1F58				  $00 | $1F62
;	   XXXXXX	$7E | $1F39		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F43		XXXXXX	$7E | $1F4D		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F57		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F61
;	   XX		$60 | $1F38		XX   X	$62 | $1F42		X	X	$42 | $1F4C		XX  XX	$66 | $1F56		XX  XX	$66 | $1F60
;	   XX		$60 | $1F37		XX		$60 | $1F41			XX	$06 | $1F4B		XX  XX	$66 | $1F55		XX  XX	$66 | $1F5F
;	   XXXXX	 $7C | $1F36		XXXXX	 $7C | $1F40		   XX	 $0C | $1F4A		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F54		XX  XX	$66 | $1F5E
;		   XX	$06 | $1F35		XX  XX	$66 | $1F3F		  XX	  $18 | $1F49		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F53		 XXXXX	$3E | $1F5D
;		   XX	$06 | $1F34		XX  XX	$66 | $1F3E		  XX	  $18 | $1F48		XX  XX	$66 | $1F52			XX	$06 | $1F5C
;	   X   XX	$46 | $1F33		XX  XX	$66 | $1F3D		  XX	  $18 | $1F47		XX  XX	$66 | $1F51		X   XX	$46 | $1F5B
;	   XXXXX	 $7C | $1F32		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F3C		  XX	  $18 | $1F46		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F50		 XXXX	 $3C | $1F5A



Atlantis II:

;	   XXXX	  $78 | $1F09		  X	   $10 | $1F13		XXXX	  $78 | $1F1D		XXXX	  $78 | $1F27		   X	  $08 | $1F31
;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F08		 XX	   $30 | $1F12	   X	X	 $84 | $1F1C	   X	X	 $84 | $1F26		  XX	  $18 | $1F30
;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F07		  X	   $10 | $1F11			X	 $04 | $1F1B			X	 $04 | $1F25		 XXX	  $38 | $1F2F
;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F06		  X	   $10 | $1F10			X	 $04 | $1F1A			X	 $04 | $1F24		 XXX	  $38 | $1F2E
;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F05		  X	   $10 | $1F0F		  XX	  $18 | $1F19		  XX	  $18 | $1F23		XXXX	  $78 | $1F2D
;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F04		  X	   $10 | $1F0E		 X		$20 | $1F18			X	 $04 | $1F22	   XXXXX	  $F8 | $1F2C
;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F03		  X	   $10 | $1F0D		X		 $40 | $1F17			X	 $04 | $1F21	   XXXXX	  $F8 | $1F2B
;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F02		  X	   $10 | $1F0C	   X		  $80 | $1F16			X	 $04 | $1F20	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F2A
;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F01		  X	   $10 | $1F0B	   X		  $80 | $1F15	   X	X	 $84 | $1F1F		   X	  $08 | $1F29
;	   XXXX	  $78 | $1F00		 XXX	  $38 | $1F0A	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F14		XXXX	  $78 | $1F1E		   X	  $08 | $1F28


;	  XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F3B		XXXX	  $78 | $1F45	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F4F		XXXX	  $78 | $1F59		XXXX	  $78 | $1F63
;	  X		  $80 | $1F3A	   X	X	 $84 | $1F44	   X	X	 $84 | $1F4E	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F58	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F62
;	  X		  $80 | $1F39	   X		  $80 | $1F43			X	 $04 | $1F4D	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F57	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F61
;	  X		  $80 | $1F38	   X		  $80 | $1F42		   X	  $08 | $1F4C	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F56	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F60
;	  XXXXX	  $F8 | $1F37	   XXXXX	  $F8 | $1F41		  X	   $10 | $1F4B		XXXX	  $78 | $1F55	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F5F
;		   X	 $04 | $1F36	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F40		 X		$20 | $1F4A	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F54		XXXXX	 $7C | $1F5E
;		   X	 $04 | $1F35	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F3F		 X		$20 | $1F49	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F53			X	 $04 | $1F5D
;		   X	 $04 | $1F34	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F3E		 X		$20 | $1F48	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F52			X	 $04 | $1F5C
;	  X	X	 $84 | $1F33	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F3D		 X		$20 | $1F47	   XXXXXX	 $FC | $1F51	   X	X	 $84 | $1F5B
;	   XXXX	  $78 | $1F32		XXXX	  $78 | $1F3C		 X		$20 | $1F46		XXXX	  $78 | $1F50		XXXX	  $78 | $1F5A

 

 

 

I was really surprised to find my Day Scene pic Atlantis cart still had the "original" font. I expected the original font to belong to the silver text label only, and have the simplier font by the time the picture labels came out. I always presumed the order went Text label >> Night Scene Pic label >> Day Scene Pic label. If that is correct then the original font is the most common.

 

 

Or perhaps the simpler digits came first? People can you try your Atlantis carts and note what fonts you are getting, and what label it belongs to? Try all your Atlantis carts because the trick is that Imagic might have switched roms during a label run, so the same label might have different roms from the transition period...

 

 

My suspicion is either the silver text label or the blue text label (late release by Activision) has the "simpler font" rom. Please try your loose carts! I don't really want to crack the seal on my Activision Atlantis box yet. :ponder:

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Rom, how about putting a note on Atarimania about Cubicolor, how the game is only in one half of the 4k rom, and part of Shooting Gallery (perhaps a WIP) is in the other?

 

 

Also did you locate the source of the bid 8 spades in Bridge and it crashes claim? I'm starting to feel like its a wild goose chase.

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I just watched an Imagic video, one that takes you behind the scenes of Imagic. In it Dennis Koble is showing developing Atlantis, and in one scene plays his near complete prototype. The fonts of the near complete proto match that of the original Atlantis rom. It seems unlikely to me that they would start with one font, change it, and then revert back for the Day Scene cart. I'm leaning towards the Activision release being the alternate, or else a pirate company hacked the fonts. :skull:

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...or possibly caught early enough by production that a -very- limited number of carts were actually out there (perhaps still undumped).

Are you talking about Bridge, Nukey? Yes it is possible. I would like to know if anyone can bid 8 spades in Bridge. Anyone? Where did this bid 8 spades come from? Perhaps the owner had a glitched cart? What combinations were they doing to activate the 8th spade?

 

 

 

One thing that troubles me is you go:

 

P (for pass I think, this is the first option below 1 bid of clubs)

 

then:

Clubs

Diamonds

Hearts

Spades

NT (for No Trump I think)

 

 

So you do that for bids of 1 - 7. You can't go past the 7 of Spades. If you do the next bid is the 8 of Clubs; yet it is said the 8 of Spades crashes the game. Why no mention of being able to bid 8 on the rest, even if they didn't crash the game?

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More weirdness. I just check Roms Rom Collection V2 and found the old Atlantis roms with the Activision logo on the screen. There are two versions. One has the original, stylized font while the other has the newer simplier font. One rom is dated 02/18/1998 12:00am while the other is 02/19/1998 12:00am. When was the Activision Anthonolgy released? If these are from them then why are there two different fonts? I'm just a little suspiscious of a hack job here. Can anyone verify a cart with the simplier font?

 

 

Atlantis__Activision_.bin

Atlantis__Activision___a_.bin

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Hmm.

 

Could be that the Atlantis with the simpler font is not from the 1977-1992 period.

 

 

About Bridge:

 

DP:

Apparently there are two ROM variations of this game. The original contained a bug in that it allowed you to bid 8-spades (and crashed when you did); the other corrects this bug. I’ve been searching in vain for a copy of the original for years. Can you confirm the original version was actually released?

 

Larry Kaplan:

Yes, the original was released with a bug and we made quite a few (thousands?) before someone caught the error. But, Bridge was not a super successful title so the number of carts made was relatively small, making them hard to find. Ebay has them for sale occasionally, but I don’t know if there is a way to tell the difference on the outside (unless the copyright dates are different).

 

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Only My Golf left.

 

Also , I would like to know what's up with the PAL Dodge'Em [a] too.

 

 

Still working on better and more accurate descriptions for the [a]lternate .bin files.

 

Want too keep them as short as possible.

 

Most of the red descriptions left are not noticable while playing the game, so I think I'm going to just leave these as [a] versions in my collection, without any further description.

 

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Here is My Golf [a] and its original counterpart:

My_Golf__1990___HES__David_Lubar___535___PAL_.bin

My_Golf__1990___HES__David_Lubar___535___PAL___a_.bin

If someone can find out what exactly is changed/fixed, please let me know.

 

 

Same goes for the PAL Dodge' Em:

Dodge___Em__Head_On___1980___Atari__Carla_Meninsky___CX2637__CX2637P___PAL_.bin

Dodge___Em__Head_On___1980___Atari__Carla_Meninsky___CX2637__CX2637P___PAL___a_.bin

I'm curious if the Dodge' Em changes are the same as the NTSC original and its [fixed] counterpart.

 

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Noticed that the difference between the two Planet Patrols is the space ship's color.

 

The space ship in the original version is plain white, while the space ship in the [a] version is shaded (just like the NTSC version).

 

The plain white ship version can also be found on the PAL 2 Pak Special ROMs from HES, btw.

 

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Found some bug descriptions in DP:

 

Congo Bongo:

With a few systems, the game may inexplicably RESET itself upon reaching the second screen.

 

Dodge 'Em:

RUMOR: On game 1, 1-player mode, when there’s 2 computer 2 cars, at a certain point the screen goes blank and the game crashes. This may only happen on certain (7800?) systems.

 

Starmaster:

If you manage to save all 4 stations on the highest level (StarMaster mode), you’ll end up with a score below 100 (instead of closer to 10,000)! This is the result of a carry overflow error in the score calculation routine.

 

Super Breakout:

Special bonus: In the Progressive variations, when a brick progresses to the last row at the bottom center of the screen, it will stay there for a specified amount of time and then disappear. If you hit it in the center before it disappears, you may receive a special bonus of 50-150 points.

 

 

Perhaps these things correspond with the differences that were found?

 

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Starmaster:

If you manage to save all 4 stations on the highest level (StarMaster mode), you’ll end up with a score below 100 (instead of closer to 10,000)! This is the result of a carry overflow error in the score calculation routine.

That bug was reported by me. AFAIK all version have the same bug.

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