Rom Hunter Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Thanks, Omega. It's added to the collection. BTW: the Jungle Hunt proto says 104. Exactly what date would that be? Tempest explained it once, but I can't find the thread anymore. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1879911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Thanks, Omega. It's added to the collection. BTW: the Jungle Hunt proto says 104. Exactly what date would that be? Tempest explained it once, but I can't find the thread anymore. 4/14/83. It's 104 days into the year. Tempest Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1879945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Thanks! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1879985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickeycolumbus Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) I discovered something rather interesting today while testing my 2600 cartridge dumper (which can now dump 4 F8 games per SaveKey thanks to Thomas!). My Pole Position cart (which is not a prototype) contains the same exact ROM as the 5/22/83 (142) prototype. Rom, you may want to rename the current '~' version as the alternate, and the 5/22/83 prototype as the original. The ROM of my cart is attached. Pole Position.bin Edited December 5, 2009 by Wickeycolumbus Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1891171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickeycolumbus Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 My last post got me curious, so I dumped another one of my Pole Position carts today. It appears I have found a brand new alternate version. It differs by only two bytes (at $0FFA and $0FFB). Or is one of the ROMs a bad dump? Pole Position alternate.bin Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1891848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I don't have time to look at it right now (just writing my finals!). I will say the source for Pole Position is floating around, so a look in there will help determine what is going on. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1892994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Ok, before I change anything, I would like Omega to have a closer look at it (and Jungle Hunt). Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1893019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickeycolumbus Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I don't have time to look at it right now (just writing my finals!). I will say the source for Pole Position is floating around, so a look in there will help determine what is going on. Oh yes, I forgot Curt had posted that. Is there some assembler for the ST computers that I could assemble it with rather than converting it to assemble with DASM? Also, good luck with your finals! (I assume you are the teacher giving them?) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1893525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I don't have time to look at it right now (just writing my finals!). I will say the source for Pole Position is floating around, so a look in there will help determine what is going on. Oh yes, I forgot Curt had posted that. Is there some assembler for the ST computers that I could assemble it with rather than converting it to assemble with DASM? Also, good luck with your finals! (I assume you are the teacher giving them?) Nope, just an adult going back to school to better himself. I started converting Pole Position to assemble before, but didn't go through it with a fine tooth comb to make sure it's right. No time at the moment to try again. If you can find an assembler, then have a go at it. Jeff 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1893535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornpipe2 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) To Rom Hunter: According to this thread in the 2600 HSC, the oldest known proto of Dumbo's Flying Circus is flagged as the Original in collection v5. The most complete version is actually Dumbo's Flying Circus (07-11-1983) (Atari, Jerome Domurat, Peter C. Niday) (CX26115) (Prototype) (PAL) - I suggest moving the tilde to this one for the next release of the collection. ETA: Things keep getting stranger... the version marked Original is NTSC, while the later protos are PAL. (AtariAge has it listed as an NTSC release though the final proto has 286 scanlines). Thoughts? Edited December 11, 2009 by Hornpipe2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickeycolumbus Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 To Rom Hunter: According to this thread in the 2600 HSC, the oldest known proto of Dumbo's Flying Circus is flagged as the Original in collection v5. The most complete version is actually Dumbo's Flying Circus (07-11-1983) (Atari, Jerome Domurat, Peter C. Niday) (CX26115) (Prototype) (PAL) - I suggest moving the tilde to this one for the next release of the collection. ETA: Things keep getting stranger... the version marked Original is NTSC, while the later protos are PAL. (AtariAge has it listed as an NTSC release though the final proto has 286 scanlines). Thoughts? There is a more complete PAL version than the 7/11/83 version. My Dumbo prototype runs at a steady 312 scan lines all the time (Dino also has a copy of this one IIRC). ROM is attached (unfortunately, there is no date on the cart). Dumbo\'s Flying Circus (PAL).bin Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Is there any difference between the 'final' PAL version and the 'final' NTSC version other than some scanlines? Any added features? Tempest Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickeycolumbus Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Is there any difference between the 'final' PAL version and the 'final' NTSC version other than some scanlines? Any added features? Tempest The 'final' PAL version is only 2 bytes different from 7/11/83, which control how long the vertical blank and over scan are (no other differences). I assume you already know this, but there are two more complete NTSC versions that have been discovered (5/16/83 and 5/27/83) but have not been released. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 Is there any difference between the 'final' PAL version and the 'final' NTSC version other than some scanlines? Any added features? Tempest That would require disassembly to find out. Off hand I think it was you Tempest, that pointed out Atari often made the NTSC version of a game first, and then converted it to PAL. The NTSC version is very complete IMO, and finished a few months before any of the PAL versions, so I would consider it the original too. It just never got released. AtariAge's database doesn't get overhauled a lot. Al's just too busy. At the time the Dumbo rom was added I believe it was the only one publicly available. That's why it is still listed there as the original, even though the NTSC rom in Rom's collection is a better candidate. As far as PAL completeness is concerned, Wickey's rom is the most complete as all the scanlines are stable. It also matches Dino's dump 100%, which is a good thing to see as it verifies both roms. I believe Dino's rom also didn't have a date, but it and Wickey's are certainly the newest. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 To Rom Hunter: According to this thread in the 2600 HSC, the oldest known proto of Dumbo's Flying Circus is flagged as the Original in collection v5. The most complete version is actually Dumbo's Flying Circus (07-11-1983) (Atari, Jerome Domurat, Peter C. Niday) (CX26115) (Prototype) (PAL) - I suggest moving the tilde to this one for the next release of the collection. Since Dumbo's Flying Circus is a US release, I consider the NTSC version as the original one. AFAIK the undated ROM from Dino is 100% identical to the undated PAL ROM in the V5 collection. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) And then there's of course this NTSC one: which AFAIK is still not dumped. Edited December 11, 2009 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickeycolumbus Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 There is also an 8/31/83 prototype out there, which could very well be the version Dino and I own. Since Dumbo's Flying Circus is a US release Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 And then there's of course this NTSC one: which AFAIK is still not dumped. Are those human teethmarks? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 There is also an 8/31/83 prototype out there, which could very well be the version Dino and I own. Since Dumbo's Flying Circus is a US release Not officially released of course. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 There is also an 8/31/83 prototype out there, which could very well be the version Dino and I own. Dumped? Are you sure that one is also PAL? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickeycolumbus Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 There is also an 8/31/83 prototype out there, which could very well be the version Dino and I own. Dumped? Are you sure that one is also PAL? I'm sure it is dumped, though I do not have the ROM myself. If I was the betting type, I would bet that it is PAL. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1895619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow460 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 How many ROMs of Beany Bopper are out there? A couple of us have gotten different results when rolling the score. It might just be because we're playing on different consoles, though. The other person was on a 2600 Jr, and I was on a 7800. Here's some glue. Can we make this thread sticky? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1897195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I believe Dino's rom also didn't have a date That is correct. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1897199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Thanks for making this a sticky. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1897447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Thanks for making this a sticky. NP. Tempest Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/103737-2600-rom-comparisions-and-dumps/page/32/#findComment-1897510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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