let's take a look at the big 3

[Hyper_Eye]

Wasn't Oblivian going to be an exclusive 360 game. I think that one swayed over to PS3... and from the sounds of it, it will be a better version. Not trying to star anything new... but I think it is a trend nowadays for some of these exclusive titles to go to the other consoles. Obviously, we can't have Mario sent over to PS3... or Zelda. I don't think just because xbox 360 gets a game that was exclusive to PS3 6 months later... that it means PS3 is failing all of a sudden.

 

I just think it is the trend nowadays.

 

Hell... Why would a 3rd party software company only want to make a game for ONE console when the money is there from three difrferent console supporters? Bad idea just to stick to one. Great idea to sign a contract to make it exclusive for about 6 months... and then right before Xmas time... the other consoles get there share of the fun. Lots of extra money for the 3rd party.

 

Oblivion was never a 360 exclusive. It released on the PC the same day it released on 360. The added content that will be included with the game is only a portion of the content that is available to 360 users which won't be available to PS3 gamers at least in the beginning. As for the improvements in visuals and framerate, these are improvements that have come with working on the engine since release. It has nothing to do with the transfer to PS3. I have hung around the TES forums for a few years now and there has been a lot of talk lately about the 360 getting those improvements in an update when the expansion (SI) is released. Also, 360 users have been playing Oblivion for a year.

 

As for the the 360 getting a game 6 months later... 360 is supposed to be getting RE5 the same day (I believe), Ace Combat is presumed to be a 360 exclusive at this moment, and I don't know how that will work with DMC4.

[Atarifever]

In response to the stuff about exclusivity, here's how it works:

If you want to make a game exclusive from a third party, you would basically bribe them. The more systems you have out, and the less your competition has out, the smaller the bribe has to be (e.g. bribing a game exclusive from the Gamecube to the PS2 would be cheaper than getting a company to keep from making a PS2 version). Right now it looks like Sony would have to offer A LOT of money to keep exclusives. This is the same as saying that Sony does not have a heap of consoles out there to compete with the number of 360s. That's only kind of Sony's fault, as the 360 launched way earlier. But of course, that's what Microsoft launched earlier for, so it appears to be working.

I think it does show somewhat of a lack of faith in the Playstation product though.

 

Whatever way you slice it though, not having exclusivity hurts Sony right now. I mean, the 360 has many more exclusive games and a bigger library. If Sony were ever going to throw money around like crazy to keep their product looking like the best choice, I think they should be doing it now.

Edited March 22, 2007 by Atarifever

[Hyper_Eye]

Here is what I was looking for:

 

What are the game&undefined;s key features you improved ?

 

The Shivering Isles requires the second patch. In that patch, we have improved the distant landscape. We have improved load times. We’ve fixed dozens of minor bugs, most of which only a few players would ever have found anyway.

 

Link

 

BTW... 5 more days until SI.

Edited March 22, 2007 by Hyper_Eye

[JB]

Firstly, I don't believe the widely spread lie that consoles are sold at a loss. Every calculation I've ever seen regarding consoles being sold at a loss is based on full retail markup of the parts in question. As far as I'm concerned, consoles being sold at a loss is a concept latched hold of by the console manufacturers as a propaganda tool. It makes people think they're buying more than they paid for. It's also a tool which has been prepped for the eventual move of consoles to rental set top boxes.

 

It's not a secret that MS' game division doesn't make money.

Sony didn't say it in public, but their shareholder disclosures stated the PS3 loses lots of money.

 

 

The PS1 and Saturn both launched profitably. The Saturn became unprofitable as the prie war dragged on. I think that was the console to start the "systems sold at loss" argument.

PS2 launched at a loss, but became profitable as manufacturing costs went down(I think a year later was when systems started turning profits?). XBox 1 bled red ink it's entire life. GameCube was black ink for it's entire life. I think the Dreamcast was too, save end-of-life clearance.

 

 

But, conspiracy or not, the fact that a lot of money has been spent by consumers on the PS3 is not the be-all-end-all. It is however, important to look at, especially when combined with X360 sales of the same period. Overall, consumers are tossing their money at the PS3 and X360. Despite the high prices, the volume of money is going with the HD consoles.

Sort of. Every Wii that's being shipped is being sold. I've seen exactly 2 on shelves since the system launched, and they were gone a few days later.

 

I think I recall reading that the Dreamcast at that point was making money for Sega, and the legend is that the PS2 was losing Sony bucketloads of money. Yet, Sega bit it.

Actual system sales were that way. The PS2 was economically feasable due to licensing fees from software sales.

Sega just wasn't bringing in enough software sales(1st-party or licensed) to make it a viable option for continued business after the PS2 hit, especially when they were in bad financial shape to start with.

 

 

Resistance may have good penetration now, but it won't hold up.

 

 

Well actually... they do say actual penetration only lasts for an average of 7 and 1/2 minutes. Wait a sec.... Oh nevermind. I'm on atariage... not my dysfunctional group forum.

There's not a lot of difference sometimes.

 

 

 

Anyways, I think the PS3 has a good chance at being a real contender if they get the price down. Don't get me wrong.

But as-is, they're in trouble. If the PS3 doesn't start selling faster, more developers WILL jump ship.