cimerians Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 I have all three systems. The PS3 to me has the most potential and is the most value for my money at the moment. BlueRay player, no subscription fees and no rip off point system which I call the "Carnival scam". (Paying for tickets and always ending up with a leftover which isn't enough for that one last ride) I paid $400 and a subscription every year for a 360 and no HDDVD capabilities (without an add on) to Microsoft. I have been paying for xbox live now since the original xbox so I have given them well over $600 (the price of a PS3) since then. Add to that the Carnival scam point system. If it wasnt for Acheivements or constant updates to everything I dont know if I would continue with Xbox Live. Its almost completely necessary now where as before it wasn't. A@@holes. But...I still like the system and some of the games on it (GOW and Oblivion). Its just my least favorite. The Wii is something I really like but as a hardcore gamer its not my number 1. Nintendo did a lot of things right with it except for the point system and I applaud it. Zelda is simply amazing and Im getting Paper Mario next..... I predicted the 360 would win out, given the huge number of casual american gamers in this country and their support for an american system. Microsoft does have some good intentions and the 360 controller is the best IMO. But I hope the PS3 proves em' all wrong in a year or two. Now to go download the Ninja Gaiden Demo...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarifever Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 (edited) rip off point system which I call the "Carnival scam". (Paying for tickets and always ending up with a leftover which isn't enough for that one last ride) Truth be told, with the Wii VC that does bug me a little. If I only want to buy Bonk and Soldier Blade, why can't I make a one time transaction for 12 points? If I want another 12 a couple months later to buy Alien Crush and Superstar Soldier I'll buy those then. At that point I'd have only needed 24 points, but I will have had to buy more than that. (By the way, I know the points are measured in the hundreds, but that's unnecssary, so I'll call them what they are), Edited April 29, 2007 by Atarifever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 This isn't meant to be off topic and since I don't have a PS3...(And Likely won't for some time given the cost). But Nintendo could fix their points system very easily by just not using a point system at all and making the games cost what they do in actual dollars. Think about it, we already pay $5 to get 500 points. That 500 points is then used to download an NES game. If they would change it from 500 points to just $5 then allow you the option to just pay for the game and use your credit card that way, the problem would be resolved. But for some reason, Nintendo chose to go with the points system. I still think they should add the option to allow us to just purchase as many points as we want instead of increments of $10..but we can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjarabbit Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 I think the PS3 does have more long term potential than the 360 just due to superior hardware and being a cheaper system in the long run. However it's price (like with the 360) will have to come down significantly before it wil be a sucessful system. I don't like the "carnival scam" that the 360 and Wii do either, though it is a little more tolerable on the Wii just due to the math being less icky ($1 = 100 points). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 I have all three systems. The PS3 to me has the most potential and is the most value for my money at the moment. I agree the PS3 has the most potential. I disagree on the value. It needs to come down about a hundred bucks or so to make it a real bang for the buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Value wise, the PS3 is only a decent value if you have a HD TV set that supports 1080P. At 600 dollars, it is too expensive for my blood. Only time will tell if the public will give a crap about Blue Ray or HD DVD format. I heard that Bond sold well, but wasnt that bundled with the player over in the UK? I agree with the above comment...good system, but needs to be cheaper if anyone is going to buy it in droves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98PaceCar Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 If it wasnt for Acheivements or constant updates to everything I dont know if I would continue with Xbox Live. Its almost completely necessary now where as before it wasn't. A@@holes. You can use both of these features with the silver Live membership. The only time you need a gold membership is if you want to play online with other people and maybe to get a few of the downloads a few days earlier than people on silver. I haven't renewed my live subscription from last year and have noticed no difference in what I can do since I don't play online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 If it wasnt for Acheivements or constant updates to everything I dont know if I would continue with Xbox Live. Its almost completely necessary now where as before it wasn't. A@@holes. You can use both of these features with the silver Live membership. The only time you need a gold membership is if you want to play online with other people and maybe to get a few of the downloads a few days earlier than people on silver. I haven't renewed my live subscription from last year and have noticed no difference in what I can do since I don't play online. Yup. I found I wans't really using my gold membership, so I let it expire. The silver membership is enough for me. If I get a game that I want to play online for awhile, I'll just pick up a month of gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 I agree that the PS3 has the most potential. I just don't see it being realised too soon (if at all) due entirely to it being Sony. I'm always impressed at how one company can make so many blunders. Shame, it's really a great piece of kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariJr Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 (edited) i dont know about the most potential.. but damn if sony got smart and made the ps3 400 bucks or maybe 450, 360 could count itself dead. the 360 just feels old to me. not power wise, but it is the only system with a disk tray, an option of a wired controller, a memory card (sd seems to be the future on consoles), and that rough non painted plastic shell... the other two are nice and shiny. if the ps3 and the 360 were the same price, id get the ps3 over the 360, especially since sony's hardware oddly seems to be really reliable this time around esp compaired to Microsoft. Price aside (but it really is what matters in the end) all id want are some more games. It seems with all the games coming for wii this winter im going to be broke, but ive still yet to see the francises i care about on the ps3 in the horizon. with titles like ace combat going to 360, it may come down to getting a system for software over my likeness on the console itself. if sony could just come out with kingdom hearts 3, a new star ocean (coming soon, but the system is up in the air), and hell.. woudlnt mind seeing a new space channel 5, rez, or virtual on either lol. ill wait a bit till a price drop, if sony has some games under its belt that i care about.. id prefer that system over the 360. crap, just remember battlefront III is going 360 exclusive.. god this is a tough decision... software or hardware LOL. .. just the ps3 FEELS and LOOKS next gen.. but the 360 PLAYS next gen.. UGHHH Edited May 2, 2007 by AtariJr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarifever Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 the 360 just feels old to me. not power wise, but it is the only system with a disk tray, an option of a wired controller, a memory card (sd seems to be the future on consoles), and that rough non painted plastic shell You forgot that it's also the only one without out of the box wi-fi. However, you also need to remember that as far as online support goes, the 360 is the only console that is not horribly outdated. Also, wired controller option aside, I think the 360 controller is probably the best evolution of the traditional controller I've ever seen, making it seem very far from out dated to me. software or hardware LOL. .. just the ps3 FEELS and LOOKS next gen.. but the 360 PLAYS next gen Doesn't look like a tough choice to me; I'll always choose software over hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Isn't "having potential" just code for "sucks right now?" Meh. Wake me when it has fulfilled its potential. Saturn, Dreamcast, Tapwave Zodiac, Jaguar, Nuon, Lynx, 3DO, and the Macintosh (as a gaming platform) all had a lot of potential, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Isn't "having potential" just code for "sucks right now?" Meh. Wake me when it has fulfilled its potential. Saturn, Dreamcast, Tapwave Zodiac, Jaguar, Nuon, Lynx, 3DO, and the Macintosh (as a gaming platform) all had a lot of potential, too. Why the bashing still???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Isn't "having potential" just code for "sucks right now?" Meh. Wake me when it has fulfilled its potential. Saturn, Dreamcast, Tapwave Zodiac, Jaguar, Nuon, Lynx, 3DO, and the Macintosh (as a gaming platform) all had a lot of potential, too. Why the bashing still???? They're right though. A console can have tons of potential, but if it's never used then it's a bad console. The Jaguar, Saturn, and 3DO all fell into this category. Then again, I think Sony will use the PS3's potential, they just had a slow start. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 I'm interested to see if Sony can recover from its slow start. The 360 is doing well, and its a great system imho, but its still out of alot of people's price range (which is obvious since its still being outsold by the PS2). I think whoever gets their next gen system to around $200 first is going to win out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Isn't "having potential" just code for "sucks right now?" Meh. Wake me when it has fulfilled its potential. Saturn, Dreamcast, Tapwave Zodiac, Jaguar, Nuon, Lynx, 3DO, and the Macintosh (as a gaming platform) all had a lot of potential, too. Why the bashing still???? They're right though. A console can have tons of potential, but if it's never used then it's a bad console. The Jaguar, Saturn, and 3DO all fell into this category. Then again, I think Sony will use the PS3's potential, they just had a slow start. Tempest I just had an issue with the "sucks right now" part. Looks like pure bashing to me. Especially when I jump to another thread and he's bashing Sony for not supporting the PSP. Last I checked a lot of good games recently came out and more are on the way. No biggie.... I understand that some systems never live up to their potential. I hope the PS3 doesn't go that route. To be honest, I don't think Sony will allow it to go to the wayside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Ratchet & Clank: Future Tools of Destruction looks very promising to me. Insomniac's Spyro the Dragon is what got me back into consoles, and their Ratchet & Clank series was excellent on the PS2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarifever Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Saturn, Dreamcast, Tapwave Zodiac, Jaguar, Nuon, Lynx, 3DO, and the Macintosh (as a gaming platform) all had a lot of potential, too. Holy shit, I need a PS3. It's up there with the Saturn, Dreamcast, and Lynx! I honestly don't know if it's possible to heap more praise on a system than that. What's next? "The PS3 has too much unfulfilled potential, it's like the Neo Geo, Turbo Grafx 16, and Vectrex". Man, sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Saturn, Dreamcast, Tapwave Zodiac, Jaguar, Nuon, Lynx, 3DO, and the Macintosh (as a gaming platform) all had a lot of potential, too. Holy shit, I need a PS3. It's up there with the Saturn, Dreamcast, and Lynx! I honestly don't know if it's possible to heap more praise on a system than that. What's next? "The PS3 has too much unfulfilled potential, it's like the Neo Geo, Turbo Grafx 16, and Vectrex". Man, sign me up. Can we please keep the fanboy trolling in each systems respective section. Thank you. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarifever Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Saturn, Dreamcast, Tapwave Zodiac, Jaguar, Nuon, Lynx, 3DO, and the Macintosh (as a gaming platform) all had a lot of potential, too. Holy shit, I need a PS3. It's up there with the Saturn, Dreamcast, and Lynx! I honestly don't know if it's possible to heap more praise on a system than that. What's next? "The PS3 has too much unfulfilled potential, it's like the Neo Geo, Turbo Grafx 16, and Vectrex". Man, sign me up. Can we please keep the fanboy trolling in each systems respective section. Thank you. Tempest How am I trolling? I just said that I liked all those systems and if the PS3 were like them I'd really want one. Was even THAT not positive enough for the forums now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 I'm not trying to troll (though it's coming out that way). My point is only that one can't play "potential," so why pay $600 for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 you are having the potential of being a pain in the ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarifever Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 you are having the potential of being a pain in the ass BUUUUURRRRNNN! Sorry, I don't have to agree with EricDeLee, but that was a pretty solid burn just the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricDeLee Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 LOL... Here's the way I look at it: I think the Big Three (Microsoft Fans, Sony Fans, and Nintendo Fans) all are a bit thin-skinned at times. I am including myself in that as well. I just don't see the point of trying to bash a system you don't even like. 'Cause I tell you what... if Sony placed a $250 pricetag on the PS3, the same people bashing it would be praising it and calling it a gift from the Gods. If they lowered the Xbox 360 to $100... I might do the same. But the point is... PS3 rules and XBOX sucks.... wait a sec... that isn't it. LOL The point is we shouldn't be getting on each other's nerves about stuff like this. Most people complain about the price of the PS3. Most complain about the "Sony owes me" because perhaps there first generation of the PS2 broke down and they could not play Grand Theft Auto for a few weeks. But lets look at the main facts: Those that own the PS3... well... they aren't complaining. Why? Because it is a wonderful system. Yes it cost $600. But most know it will earn its money back in enjoyment (or so I believe). Didn't some of your parents spend over/around $300 for an Atari 2600 back when it came out? Wasn't it a wonderful investment and paid you back tenfold? You can't say it didn't. Why else would you actively search out for an Atari web site/forum. So that's my point. It isn't a lot of money. Not if you really think about it. Consider what you spent in terms of money towards the last generation of consoles. Maybe not the Gamecube per say... but look at the XBOX. How much money was spent keeping the online membership? How many years did you have it? Its amazing... and often over-looked but Sony offers that service for free. Just something else to look at. Anyways... it is another silly arguement. So instead of looking at just the potential... how about plugging it in and looking at the reality. Then think about how well things will be in a year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper_Eye Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I think the PS3 does have more long term potential than the 360 just due to superior hardware and being a cheaper system in the long run. The superiority of the hardware is very arguable. It is especially arguable when it comes to the specific purpose of using it for multimedia applications. One of the most important pieces of hardware, the GPU, is quite revolutionary in the 360's case. In the case of the PS3 the cell processor is quite revolutionary but it is not necessarily suited to the needs of multimedia applications. It is perfect for folding@home. Before declaring that the PS3 has superior hardware you should be sure of it. If you think a triple-core 3.2Ghz PPC processor is in any way hampering the 360 you are nuts. Have a look at this very interesting article: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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