+Philsan Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) First of all I want to say that Turbo Basic XL is fantastic; thank you Frank Ostrowsky! My question is: which is the latest version? I have 2 versions. In one the message "Setting up your 130XE ram disk" appears and then Turbo-Basic 1.5 logo. In the other one, between these 2 messages, the attached screen appears. Which version should I use? Edited September 29, 2007 by Philsan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 First of all I want to say that Turbo Basic XL is fantastic; thank you Frank Ostrowsky! My question is: which is the latest version? I have 2 versions. In one the message "Setting up your 130XE ram disk" appears and then Turbo-Basic 1.5 logo. In the other one, between these 2 messages, the attached screen appears. Which version should I use? I think it does not matter. The version that init's your ramdisk... that seems to be a boring boot sequence all the time. I have a bootdisk Turbo Basic XL 1.5 (red boot screen). Turbo Basic is great indeed, but I never use it ) Marius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Hi, There are 2 versions official 1 version for the 800 (48Kb) and the XL 1.5 for the XL/XE (64Kb) Then there is also a version combined with spartados 3.x custom made. This version you show is the normal 1.5 XL only copies automaticly the runtime.obj and compiler to the ramdisk so it works much faster.... Turbobasic is pretty good only the compiler s*#$*&* because not all code can be compiled and you always need to load the big runtime.obj first. A compiler that would compile to 100% machine language would rule... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwhyte Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) I have a bunch of versions: TurboBasic 3.2q : SpartaDOS version of TurboBasic Frost Basic 1.4 : 400/800 version of TurboBasic TurboBasic XL 1.5 : XL/XE DOS2&compatibles TurboBasic XL 2.0 : XL/XE DOS2&compatibles In my experiments with 3.2q it seems to be lacking the functionality of 1.5/2.0 (BRUN statements do NOT work, get an error 255). Never used FrostBasic as I've never owned a 400/800 (and why would I when I have 1.5/2.0?). When I do play around with TB (for quick prototyping), I use 1.5 the most... Edited September 29, 2007 by dwhyte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 Can you attach a copy of Turbo-Basic XL 2.0? What are the differences between 1.5 and 2.0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwhyte Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Can you attach a copy of Turbo-Basic XL 2.0?What are the differences between 1.5 and 2.0? I've included the TurboBasic 2.0 & 2.1 in the attached file. Not sure of the actual differences between 1.5 and 2.0... 2.1 is a Turbo2000 version with a little minidos in it... Other than that they're basically the same as 1.5... Turbo_Basic_XL_2.0.atr.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 First of all I want to say that Turbo Basic XL is fantastic; thank you Frank Ostrowsky! My question is: which is the latest version? I have 2 versions. In one the message "Setting up your 130XE ram disk" appears and then Turbo-Basic 1.5 logo. In the other one, between these 2 messages, the attached screen appears. Which version should I use? In addition to the differences mentioned, there was another change for NTSC computers. The splash screen still on mine says 1.5, but the "READY" prompt is changed to "TURBO". This version has the 50 Hz timing changed to 60 HZ so that TIME and related functions are correct on NTSC machines. I think this is the most common version distributed in the US. Also, various other example/utility programs were released with some distributions. One of the best was Ron Fetzer's full English documentation + examples which I believe was serialized in the Old Hackers' Newsletters. Another good disk release was the MWPD series which has several additional nice utility/demo programs. There are surely still others, but I'm not aware of any additional good Turbo Basic collections. Afterthought -- the TBXL Compiler/linker program is also outstanding, making stand-alone .EXE files that can be directly loaded from Dos. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Larry, how do you convert a compiled TBXL to a stnadalone .exe file? is there a utiliuty for that? the way i do it is using a hex editor and append the runtime to the compibled file Ndary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Larry, how do you convert a compiled TBXL to a stnadalone .exe file? is there a utiliuty for that? the way i do it is using a hex editor and append the runtime to the compibled file Ndary The linker can be found on Holmes CD#2. Look in Programming/Turbo Basic/TB_XL.ARC. I have used it several times, and thus far, it works perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 An additional TBXL "version" is the cartridge from Video 61. It is a nice product that works well on my system. I presume that this is the regular 1.5 TBXL version. A nice feature is that you can return to your TBXL program intact by using the "M" (run at address) command at $2080. The only conflict that I have found with MyDos 4.50 using this "feature" is that if you have selected a new subdirectory (the R prompt), the system reverts to the drive-only default (D1:, D2:, etc.) as soon as you return to TBXL. I don't know about other Dos versions. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I have a bunch of versions: TurboBasic 3.2q : SpartaDOS version of TurboBasic Frost Basic 1.4 : 400/800 version of TurboBasic TurboBasic XL 1.5 : XL/XE DOS2&compatibles TurboBasic XL 2.0 : XL/XE DOS2&compatibles In my experiments with 3.2q it seems to be lacking the functionality of 1.5/2.0 (BRUN statements do NOT work, get an error 255). Never used FrostBasic as I've never owned a 400/800 (and why would I when I have 1.5/2.0?). When I do play around with TB (for quick prototyping), I use 1.5 the most... With 3.2q using the XIO 40 command is the same as the BRUN command. 1.5 has a small bug when using the CTRL+R character as the last character in a string. The author of Atari++ emulator might have the fix for this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 An additional TBXL "version" is the cartridge from Video 61. It is a nice product that works well on my system. I presume that this is the regular 1.5 TBXL version. A nice feature is that you can return to your TBXL program intact by using the "M" (run at address) command at $2080. The only conflict that I have found with MyDos 4.50 using this "feature" is that if you have selected a new subdirectory (the R prompt), the system reverts to the drive-only default (D1:, D2:, etc.) as soon as you return to TBXL. I don't know about other Dos versions. Is the attached file the Video 61 version you speak of? This version is a curious beast to me. It doesn't seem work with any disk based DOS, but obviously provides a DOS 2.x compatible file system via the cart itself. Yet, it provides no DUP to load up and use. I've also found it incompatible with certain things that work fine with DOS 2.x (filenames specified in lower, for instance). What is the origin of this cartridge; did Vid61 create it, or is it something they've usurped for reproduction? Turbo-BASIC XL Switchable XEGS.rom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtrooper of Death Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 The first time i used TurboBasic was the tape version that i bought from the Dutch S.A.G. Atari club. It had BL/C loader in front of it. Took about 30 mins to load. But then I could program in Turbobasic using my XC-12 recorder. In the begin I didnt have a diskdrive. I guess, not many Atarians used Turbobasic on tape.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodByteXL Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) I guess, not many Atarians used Turbobasic on tape.... I did, but used a XC11 Turbo bringing the loading time down to approx. 70 seconds. The original distribution disk from "Markt & Technik" with Turbo-BASIC XL 1.5 is the only one ever published. All other "versions" floating around are kind of hacks, sometimes helpful, sometimes source of problems. Edited May 30, 2016 by GoodByteXL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
576XE Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Hello, GoodByteXL! I never knew something about XC11 TURBO. Please give me some info... Really I LOVE XC11 with my 130XE (I think anyone...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+rdemming Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 The first time i used TurboBasic was the tape version that i bought from the Dutch S.A.G. Atari club. It had BL/C loader in front of it. Took about 30 mins to load. But then I could program in Turbobasic using my XC-12 recorder. In the begin I didnt have a diskdrive. I guess, not many Atarians used Turbobasic on tape.... I did too. I bought the Turbo Basic tape on one of the SAG meetings and used it quite a bit until I saved enough money to buy a 1050. For those interested, the Turbo Basic tape is attached. Robert Turbo Basic XL 1.5 (Happy Computer).zip 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodByteXL Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I never knew something about XC11 TURBO. A hardware/software combo (homebrew) accelerating the operations of Atari program recorders. Software available on cartridge, cassette and disk. Used that also with the XC12. Very common in the late 1980s in Europe and a good alternative to FDDs. The software provided compression, indexing, file names and gave much more stability than the standard format at higher speeds up to 6,000 Baud. A C-60 could hold up to 2 MiB of programs. Used with XC12 and 1010 also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Is the attached file the Video 61 version you speak of? This version is a curious beast to me. It doesn't seem work with any disk based DOS, but obviously provides a DOS 2.x compatible file system via the cart itself. Yet, it provides no DUP to load up and use. I've also found it incompatible with certain things that work fine with DOS 2.x (filenames specified in lower, for instance). What is the origin of this cartridge; did Vid61 create it, or is it something they've usurped for reproduction? Turbo-BASIC XL Switchable XEGS.rom No, the one I refer to is just a regular A8 cartridge. Williams bank-switch, I think. Has TBXL and compiler in it. $29.95, IIRC. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 No, the one I refer to is just a regular A8 cartridge. Williams bank-switch, I think. Has TBXL and compiler in it. $29.95, IIRC. -Larry Alright, thanks for the info Larry. I guess I've never seen this before then. Do you have a dump of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
576XE Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I have XC12 with T2000 interface and T2000 cartridge. I just heard something about unability to use this interface with another Datasets then XC12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspicious_milk Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Anyone know to use ?version on the SDX partition of a SIDE2 cart? I can boot and use the 1.5 atr from my SIO2SD. However, if I just copy it's contents to a directory onto SDX, it's still tries to load DOS 2.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtrooper of Death Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I copied Turbobasic on the SDx partition of SIDE2 (emulated on Altira).. I had no problems using turbobasic with Spartados. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspicious_milk Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Thanks, I guess? Does anyone use Turbo Basic XL from SDX (Side 2) without emulators? Which version of TBXL? What *.com *.xex *.whatever file are you launching? TBXL 1.5 ATR (which loads DOS 2.5 and runs fine when booted from SIO2SD) file has RAMDISK.COM, COMPILER.COM, RUNTIME.COM, and that's it executable wise (some .TUR and DOS 2 related .SYS files). When the disks contents are copied to SDX /TBXL directory however: RUNTIME.COM locks up or says "179 Memory Conflict", COMPILER.COM loads to a splash screen and just sits there, RAMDISK.COM brings up the SDX formatter (already have a ram disk anyways...). I'm it's something stupid that "everybody" knows ... everybody but me apparently. Just want to run TBXL from SDX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Type: "X [program name]" So, to run the compiler, type: X COMPILER.COM. This disables the cartridge ROM. If you still get errors, MEMLO is probably too high. Do you have extended memory in the machine? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspicious_milk Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 X COMPILER.COM does in fact run the compiler. How do I run the interpreter to type in basic? I don't see an executable for it. It's a 130XE, currently set to 320K compy, but even with ext RAM disabled the results don't change. I think I'm just seriously missing something stupid simple. Kinda new to SDX if you couldn't tell that. Is turbo_basic_xl_1.5 in fact the optimum version to use with SIDE2/SDX? Thanks for the input! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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