pangasinan Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) double post. Edited April 8, 2011 by pangasinan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 I think the 'Holy Grail' rating goes one step further than the R10 rating. More like a R11 rating. If you take Atari Age's R10 definition: Unbelievably Rare These games are almost impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may never run across one of these, and they often make up the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a bidding war. Then the 'Holy Grail' might be defined as: 'H-G' Tremendously Unbelievably Rare These games are super impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may find they have grey hairs before they come across one of these, and they often are the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a fist fight, leading to an all out war. LOL Something like that. Seriously: Panga's statement is too easy; there IS a difference between AtariAge's R10 and Atarimania's Holy Grail rating. Atarimania's Holy Grail means: Less then four are known to exist. AtariAge's R10 means: Almost impossible to find in the wild. The last one overlaps the first one, but has a much wider range (how wide exactly is (and IMO can) never (be) stated in numbers and therefore not workable for me). I never meant Atariages R10's ratings ,as far as im concerned that rating system is dead,as it has not been upgraded in years. I meant Atarimanias R10's as that is regularly upgraded (but full of inconsistencies). To me there is no difference between a R10 and a holy grail. An Atarimania holy grail = less than 4,a Atarimania R10 = less than 4. Same thing. But the term holy grail is generic. The website Atarimania reflects this ,when you check out a rare cart it is rated a R10 not rated a holy grail. No, it's not. It depicts a Holy Grail icon nowadays. Atarimania's old R10 rarity rating is indeed the same as the new Holy Grail rarity rating (less than 4 known to exist). Ok, now show me your mammoth list of inconsistencies. I would like to correct these, if you don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangasinan Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) I think the 'Holy Grail' rating goes one step further than the R10 rating. More like a R11 rating. If you take Atari Age's R10 definition: Unbelievably Rare These games are almost impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may never run across one of these, and they often make up the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a bidding war. Then the 'Holy Grail' might be defined as: 'H-G' Tremendously Unbelievably Rare These games are super impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may find they have grey hairs before they come across one of these, and they often are the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a fist fight, leading to an all out war. LOL Something like that. Seriously: Panga's statement is too easy; there IS a difference between AtariAge's R10 and Atarimania's Holy Grail rating. Atarimania's Holy Grail means: Less then four are known to exist. AtariAge's R10 means: Almost impossible to find in the wild. The last one overlaps the first one, but has a much wider range (how wide exactly is (and IMO can) never (be) stated in numbers and therefore not workable for me). I never meant Atariages R10's ratings ,as far as im concerned that rating system is dead,as it has not been upgraded in years. I meant Atarimanias R10's as that is regularly upgraded (but full of inconsistencies). To me there is no difference between a R10 and a holy grail. An Atarimania holy grail = less than 4,a Atarimania R10 = less than 4. Same thing. But the term holy grail is generic. The website Atarimania reflects this ,when you check out a rare cart it is rated a R10 not rated a holy grail. No, it's not. It depicts a Holy Grail icon nowadays. Atarimania's old R10 rarity rating is indeed the same as the new Holy Grail rarity rating (less than 4 known to exist). Ok, now show me your mammoth list of inconsistencies. I would like to correct these, if you don't mind. So thats what that little symbol is suppose to be a Holy Grail.. ,anyway not sure where you got mammoth from ,but the inconsistancies i meant are what tom mentioned,you have some games that a Holy Grail and some that are not,like the 2 he mentioned,i have several of the games thatare less than 4 know to exist,these should be H.G games but are not...now when do you want me to send you a list so you can as you say " correct these "?? Curious though,why did you change from the R10 system to the Holy Grail system ? Edited April 8, 2011 by pangasinan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangasinan Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) I think the 'Holy Grail' rating goes one step further than the R10 rating. More like a R11 rating. If you take Atari Age's R10 definition: Unbelievably Rare These games are almost impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may never run across one of these, and they often make up the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a bidding war. Then the 'Holy Grail' might be defined as: 'H-G' Tremendously Unbelievably Rare These games are super impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may find they have grey hairs before they come across one of these, and they often are the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a fist fight, leading to an all out war. LOL Something like that. Seriously: Panga's statement is too easy; there IS a difference between AtariAge's R10 and Atarimania's Holy Grail rating. Atarimania's Holy Grail means: Less then four are known to exist. AtariAge's R10 means: Almost impossible to find in the wild. The last one overlaps the first one, but has a much wider range (how wide exactly is (and IMO can) never (be) stated in numbers and therefore not workable for me). I never meant Atariages R10's ratings ,as far as im concerned that rating system is dead,as it has not been upgraded in years. I meant Atarimanias R10's as that is regularly upgraded (but full of inconsistencies). To me there is no difference between a R10 and a holy grail. An Atarimania holy grail = less than 4,a Atarimania R10 = less than 4. Same thing. But the term holy grail is generic. The website Atarimania reflects this ,when you check out a rare cart it is rated a R10 not rated a holy grail. No, it's not. It depicts a Holy Grail icon nowadays. Atarimania's old R10 rarity rating is indeed the same as the new Holy Grail rarity rating (less than 4 known to exist). Ok, now show me your mammoth list of inconsistencies. I would like to correct these, if you don't mind. Edited April 8, 2011 by pangasinan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 I think the 'Holy Grail' rating goes one step further than the R10 rating. More like a R11 rating. If you take Atari Age's R10 definition: Unbelievably Rare These games are almost impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may never run across one of these, and they often make up the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a bidding war. Then the 'Holy Grail' might be defined as: 'H-G' Tremendously Unbelievably Rare These games are super impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may find they have grey hairs before they come across one of these, and they often are the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a fist fight, leading to an all out war. LOL Something like that. Seriously: Panga's statement is too easy; there IS a difference between AtariAge's R10 and Atarimania's Holy Grail rating. Atarimania's Holy Grail means: Less then four are known to exist. AtariAge's R10 means: Almost impossible to find in the wild. The last one overlaps the first one, but has a much wider range (how wide exactly is (and IMO can) never (be) stated in numbers and therefore not workable for me). I never meant Atariages R10's ratings ,as far as im concerned that rating system is dead,as it has not been upgraded in years. I meant Atarimanias R10's as that is regularly upgraded (but full of inconsistencies). To me there is no difference between a R10 and a holy grail. An Atarimania holy grail = less than 4,a Atarimania R10 = less than 4. Same thing. But the term holy grail is generic. The website Atarimania reflects this ,when you check out a rare cart it is rated a R10 not rated a holy grail. No, it's not. It depicts a Holy Grail icon nowadays. Atarimania's old R10 rarity rating is indeed the same as the new Holy Grail rarity rating (less than 4 known to exist). Ok, now show me your mammoth list of inconsistencies. I would like to correct these, if you don't mind. So thats what that little symbol is suppose to be a Holy Grail.. ,anyway not sure where you got mammoth from ,but the inconsistancies i meant are what tom mentioned,you have some games that a Holy Grail and some that are not,like the 2 he mentioned,i have several of the games thatare less than 4 know to exist,these should be H.G games but are not...now when do you want me to send you a list so you can as you say " correct these "?? Curious though,why did you change from the R10 system to the Holy Grail system ? Because I don't believe in a R1 to R9 ratings. And R10 without R1 to R9 makes no sense. So I had to give it another name. Your list is more than welcome, Pangasinan. Please post it here whenever you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahfish Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Then the 'Holy Grail' might be defined as: 'H-G' Tremendously Unbelievably Rare These games are super impossible to find in the wild. Even collectors who have been at it for years may find they have grey hairs before they come across one of these, and they often are the showcase of an individual's collection. These rarely show up even on Ebay, and if they do there will most likely be a fist fight, leading to an all out war. how many one-of-a-kind hly grails exist out there? just one comes up to my mind right now ... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 how many one-of-a-kind hly grails exist out there? just one comes up to my mind right now ... :D just as long as you know who is the... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Any idea what the left half of "King of World" label is from? The right is from Creative's "Rat Hotel" game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Any idea what the left half of "King of World" label is from? The right is from Creative's "Rat Hotel" game... I had no idea about the 'rat hotel' cover art, but after following that up, I found the cover art from 'save new york': Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share Posted April 25, 2011 Any idea what the left half of "King of World" label is from? The right is from Creative's "Rat Hotel" game... I had no idea about the 'rat hotel' cover art, but after following that up, I found the cover art from 'save new york': Nice catch! Could give us a clue of the year it was released in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Save New York was down as 1983 - so I guess early to mid 80's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Any idea what the left half of "King of World" label is from? The right is from Creative's "Rat Hotel" game... Ha! I remember Rat Hotel. I had it for the Vic 20. Fond memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) Updated list: Mid-Time (SS-18) - Frostbite Bailey Mole Hunter (SS-023) - Marco, Pangasinan, Staberinde Ski Run (SS-024) - Rick, Marco, Weaselbrains Spectracube Invasion (SS-025) - Tom, Pangasinan, Nofrills Treasure Island (SS-026) - Jens (as proto), Pangasinan Zoo Fun (SS-027) - Dino, Jens (as proto) Firebug (SS-028) - Omegamatrix, Jens (as proto) Skydiver (SS-030) - Tom, Marco (x2) UFO Patrol (SS-031) - Marco, Tom, Atari181 Walker (SS-032) - Marco Unknown Game (SS-034) - Jens (as proto) Criminal Persuit (SS-036) - Rick, Pangasinan, Mark Sowden? Edited June 1, 2011 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwan-iwanowitsch-goratschin Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 A complete copy of Firebug was sold on ebay.fr for over 70€ recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 A complete copy of Firebug was sold on ebay.fr for over 70€ recently. With SS-028 model number? I find that hard to believe. Any pictures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangasinan Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I find that hard to believe. I agree,Josh is full of shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwan-iwanowitsch-goratschin Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I find that hard to believe. I agree,Josh is full of shit I have quitted smoking ganja years ago...........and it´s harder to believe that you think that so much of these are still rarity 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwan-iwanowitsch-goratschin Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 It was just the box.............mea culpa. But I guess that the buyer need it to put the game inside....... eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320696987000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 Just the box? Well, I've never seen that box in my entire life. This box proofs that the genuine Suntek title is indeed Firebug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) Ooops. Its too early. I need a coffee Edited June 1, 2011 by nofrills100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwan-iwanowitsch-goratschin Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Just the box? Well, I've never seen that box in my entire life. This box proofs that the genuine Suntek title is indeed Firebug. It´s not easy to turn you into a believer........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangasinan Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) It was just the box.............mea culpa. But I guess that the buyer need it to put the game inside....... eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320696987000 Nice and congratulations to Schitti for winning it. Edited June 2, 2011 by pangasinan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 2, 2011 Author Share Posted June 2, 2011 Updated list: Mid-Time (SS-18) - Frostbite Bailey Mole Hunter (SS-023) - Marco, Pangasinan, Staberinde Ski Run (SS-024) - Rick, Marco, Weaselbrains Spectracube Invasion (SS-025) - Tom, Pangasinan, Nofrills Treasure Island (SS-026) - Jens (as proto), Pangasinan Zoo Fun (SS-027) - Dino, Jens (as proto) Firebug (SS-028) - Omegamatrix, Jens (as proto), Schitti (box only) Skydiver (SS-030) - Tom, Marco (x2) UFO Patrol (SS-031) - Marco, Tom, Atari181 Walker (SS-032) - Marco Unknown Game (SS-034) - Jens (as proto) Criminal Persuit (SS-036) - Rick, Pangasinan, Mark Sowden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schitti Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 It was just the box.............mea culpa. But I guess that the buyer need it to put the game inside....... eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320696987000 Nice and congratulations to Schitti for winning it. OK, I admit it. You've caught me. look at the endlabel of the cart. very strange. any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 2, 2011 Author Share Posted June 2, 2011 Same end label as Pet Boat carts: http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-mazy-match_23155.html and some of the other Fantastic Games carts, like this one: http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-sea-monster_25377.html There's obviously a connection between Suntek, Fantastic Game and Pet Boat. That cart could very well belong in that box, although I'm sure an original Suntek Firebug cart also exists somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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