miker Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) ...never mind (didn't work)... Edited July 12, 2008 by miker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkat2769 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Great stuff. Those look a lot more useful than the official Service Manuals. If you're referring to the Sam's ComputerFacts I just uploaded, then yes, they most definitely are a lot more useful than the official FSMs. I certainly find them a lot easier to use. The parts cross references in them are invaluable and they make it very easy to get the info you're looking for very quickly. I also have the Sam's ComputerFacts for the Atari 800 but have not scanned it. If anyone needs it let me know and I'll try to find time to scan it if no one out there has it scanned already. BobKat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machf Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Attached to this post is the Sam's ComputerFacts for the Atari 800XL. This one is pretty hard to find. Finding a paper copy is next impossible anymore. Didn't know that, or I would have scanned it yesterday too... I use Corel PhotoPaint for most of my scanning and touchup work. I find Photoshop to be just way to slow and bloated for what little I use it for. I know the feeling... If anyone here thinks that they can do a better job or has better stitching software that can handle minor page warp please send me a PM and I'll send you a few of my original 600dpi PNG scans to work on. If they come out better I'll build a new PDF and upload the revised edition for all to enjoy. I haven't downloaded them yet, so I can't comment on that... BTW, I converted those GIF scans of the 1050 FSM that Rybags linked to into a PDF... would it be worth uploading now, or not anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkat2769 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Hy Rybags Do you have the PDF for the Atari 800 XL Field Service Manual? Regards I have that one, but the quality isn't too good. Would it be worth scanning, anyway? I have that one as well. I recently bought one from Brad at Best Electronics a few months ago. Mine is in perfect condition and the book part of it I wouldn't mind scanning. It looks to be about 50 loose-leaf pages or so and it has some stuff that isn't in the Sam's ComputerFacts. The part that I really don't think I want to even try scanning is the schematic. It is one huge blueprint style page that measures 23.5" x 18.5" with several folds on it. Scanning that one would be a major nightmare with a normal letter/legal size scanner. It would take something like 8 overlapping scans and with all the folds on the paper there's no way it will all line up right. I'm pretty sure that someone has it up somewhere as I seem to recall running across it before when I was looking for the 800XL ComputerFacts but I can't recall where I found it as that was about six month ago. =^.^=;; BobKat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkat2769 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Attached to this post is the Sam's ComputerFacts for the Atari 800XL. This one is pretty hard to find. Finding a paper copy is next impossible anymore. Didn't know that, or I would have scanned it yesterday too... I spent something like three months looking for it before I came across an old post from Hias and got it from him. If anyone here thinks that they can do a better job or has better stitching software that can handle minor page warp please send me a PM and I'll send you a few of my original 600dpi PNG scans to work on. If they come out better I'll build a new PDF and upload the revised edition for all to enjoy. I haven't downloaded them yet, so I can't comment on that... BTW, I converted those GIF scans of the 1050 FSM that Rybags linked to into a PDF... would it be worth uploading now, or not anymore? Probably. It would make it easier for folks that just want to DL one file they can just print with no further work. =^.^= BTW, how the hell do you manage to get nested quotes to work with this stupid editor? Nothing I try seems to quite work, or just doesn't work at all. =o.O=;; BobKat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkat2769 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 After getting some sleep and looking at some of the posts and my instructions for unzipping the files I ULed I realize that they aren't very clear at all as I was pretty tired then. =^.^=;; On the multipart archives, the file that has NO number in the filename is the primary zip file that has the directory info in it. This one is NOT double-zipped so leave it alone at first. All of the files with a number in the filename are double-zipped because of the funky attachement restrictions being used here. I had tried renaming them to something like file.partXX.zip but that wouldn't work at all when I tested extracting them. So to extract the multipart archives do the following. 1) Unzip all of the files that have numbers in the file names into a work directory. 2) Move/copy the file that has no number in the filename into the work directory you just used. 3) Unzip from the file you just moved/copied into the work directory and everything should extract just fine into a single PDF file. BobKat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machf Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) For the quotes, I just manually add [/quote] [quote] tags where I want to break the flow of the quote. As for the 800XL schematic, yes, it sounds like that one I scanned a while ago. Maybe the best option would be to take the sheet to a photocopying shop and have it reduced (from an A2 to an A4 size), and scan the reduced copy. And there's one that was redrawn, available as a GIF file here, but it only has the circuitry for the UK (PAL) version, without the notes mentioning the diffrerences in the US (NTSC) version. And I don't get why you people have so many problems with multipart files... speaking of which, here's the 1050 FSM as a PDF, just open the last zip of the set after you download all three, and extract the file. No renaming needed whatsoever. 1050_FSM_001.zip 1050_FSM_002.zip 1050_FSM_003.zip Edited July 13, 2008 by machf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Does anyone know where I can get the manual to OSS BASIC A+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkat2769 Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 For the quotes, I just manually add tags where I want to break the flow of the quote. I think that is the only variation that I [b]didn't[/b] try. It seems to work. Thank you! *=^.^=* But it makes the text in your codebox invisible.... =o.O=;; As for the 800XL schematic, yes, it sounds like that one I scanned a while ago. Maybe the best option would be to take the sheet to a photocopying shop and have it reduced (from an A2 to an A4 size), and scan the reduced copy. And there's one that was redrawn, available as a GIF file here, but it only has the circuitry for the UK (PAL) version, without the notes mentioning the diffrerences in the US (NTSC) version.Which I'm not even going to bother with. Especially as there is perfectly good, and much easier to print full size, schematic in the Sam's ComputerFacts for the 800XL that I already posted. And I don't get why you people have so many problems with multipart files... speaking of which, here's the 1050 FSM as a PDF, just open the last zip of the set after you download all three, and extract the file. No renaming needed whatsoever.Because most archivers insist on changing the file extension to something like .z## on all but the first/last part of the archive. And when you try changing the parts with the .z## extension to something that the forums will allow you to upload you have to rename them back to what they were or the archivers get confused and won't extract the files. Zip has always been kind of ass backwards since it puts the index/dir info in the LAST/end part of the archive instead of at the beginning for the header and as it adds files, etc. like a lot of other compression formats do. Which was one of the major reasons why I used to use arj instead of zip for my backups way back when. =^.^= I think it might have something to do with the file structure of the old arc format that zip was descended from doing the same thing. Someone who knows more about compression formats could probably say for sure. Searching the attic of my mind I do seem to recall that UNIX compress/gzip, lha, arj, zoo, and probably bzip, rar, and 7zip all have that info in the file header at the start of the file and add entries as they add files to the archive. Which makes a whole lot more sense to me, especially with spanned multipart archives. I would have to look at the source for all of those formats again to be sure and that's too much like work to bother with. Does that answer your question? =^.^=;; BobKat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urchlay Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Zip has always been kind of ass backwards since it puts the index/dir info in the LAST/end part of the archive instead of at the beginning for the header and as it adds files, etc. like a lot of other compression formats do. Which was one of the major reasons why I used to use arj instead of zip for my backups way back when. =^.^= It's kind of off-topic, but I bet the guys who designed pkzip originally did it that way because the multipart stuff was intended for multiple floppy disks. If you store the header info on the first disk, you have to re-insert the first disk at the end of the zipping process so it can write the correct header info, which AFAIK includes the compressed file sizes as well as the originals... only way to find out the actual compressed size of each file is to actually compress it, so it couldn't have written the header info at the time the first disk was originally in the drive (well, it could have, but it'd have to either compress each file twice, or have enough RAM to store all the compressed files before writing them to floppies). I used to prefer arj, too, back in my short-lived MS-DOS days... but I can't remember how it got around this problem. Maybe by not storing the compressed size in the header, or maybe by making the user re-insert the first disk after the last one is written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 It's kind of off-topic, but I bet the guys who designed pkzip (sorry for the off-topic) Btw, speaking about Phil Katz (author of pkzip). I was shocked a few months ago, when I read what the author of ARC wrote about Phil Katz after his dead. See the entry about Phil Katz in wikipedia, and the external link, for more details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machf Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 And I don't get why you people have so many problems with multipart files... speaking of which, here's the 1050 FSM as a PDF, just open the last zip of the set after you download all three, and extract the file. No renaming needed whatsoever. Because most archivers insist on changing the file extension to something like .z## on all but the first/last part of the archive. And when you try changing the parts with the .z## extension to something that the forums will allow you to upload you have to rename them back to what they were or the archivers get confused and won't extract the files. I still use PowerArchiver 6.11 (last free version, IIRC), which doesn't do that, it will use filename###.zip instead. Similarly with WinRAR 3.0 for RAR instead of ZIP files. When did archivers start doing that with the extensions? Zip has always been kind of ass backwards since it puts the index/dir info in the LAST/end part of the archive instead of at the beginning for the header and as it adds files, etc. like a lot of other compression formats do. Yes, I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Those are awesome.. Is there a Sam's Computerfacts for the 130XE or XF551? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkat2769 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Those are awesome.. Is there a Sam's Computerfacts for the 130XE or XF551? There was one for the 130XE, but so far as I know there never was one for the XF551 drive. At least it isn't in my 1998 Sam's catalog. Unfortunately, I don't have the 130XE ComputerFacts, or any service data for either of those pieces of Atari hardware. And I couldn't find anything when I looked for it. Best Electronics lists the 130XE ComputerFacts as sold out, but he might have one floating around if you call him. He did when I was looking for a ComputerFacts for the 800XL. I've sent off an email to a friend (Hias) who's been helpful before when I was looking for hard to find service data. If he can help I'll post whatever he hooks me up with here. =^.^= BobKat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 Antic Timings documents, vital for any hardcore demo or game programmer... Antic_Timings.txt antic_timings.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atariksi Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Antic Timings documents, vital for any hardcore demo or game programmer... Antic_Timings.txt antic_timings.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atariksi Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Antic Timings documents, vital for any hardcore demo or game programmer... Antic_Timings.txt antic_timings.pdf What's "blocked DMA" in the timings pdf file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) Not sure... I'd guess it's cycles that otherwise would have needed DMA for graphics, but Antic doesn't perform because the data would never get displayed. 800XL Field Service Manual - NOTE: Remove the .zip from the filename after downloading, file is a PDF contained in 2-part Rar. 800XL_FSM.part1.rar.zip 800XL_FSM.part2.rar.zip Edited October 31, 2009 by Rybags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Antic Timings documents, vital for any hardcore demo or game programmer... Antic_Timings.txt antic_timings.pdf What's "blocked DMA" in the timings pdf file? That's playfield DMA that would have occurred after cycle 105; those cycles are blocked so that they don't occur, but the playfield address is still incremented. They are the same as the "virtual read" cycles in Bennet's text file. The antic_timings.pdf is an excerpt from an older version of the Altirra Hardware Reference Manual I posted in the Pokey emulation thread, btw; the full PDF has a couple of corrections to the timing charts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atariksi Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Not sure... I'd guess it's cycles that otherwise would have needed DMA for graphics, but Antic doesn't perform because the data would never get displayed. 800XL Field Service Manual - NOTE: Remove the .zip from the filename after downloading, file is a PDF contained in 2-part Rar. 800XL_FSM.part1.rar.zip 800XL_FSM.part2.rar.zip The 2nd part didn't unarchive to a PDF-- it states "broken file" error. First part did give a PDF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 It should be a single PDF, you need both files... only done that way because of the 2 meg limit here, and the fact we can't upload Rars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atariksi Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 It should be a single PDF, you need both files... only done that way because of the 2 meg limit here, and the fact we can't upload Rars. But the 2nd RAR doesn't decompress to PDF-- it generates a 0 byte file. Or should I first binary concatanate the two RARs and then decompress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 (edited) It's generated with WinRar version 3.4. It's a split Rar file, all you should need to do is get rid of the .zip extension, then open or right-click either file to be able to get the full PDF. I'll just download them to see if they're intact... They're fine. Oh, also remember, you have to actually save the files to a folder - you can't just Open them direct from your browser. Edited November 1, 2009 by Rybags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atariksi Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 It's generated with WinRar version 3.4. It's a split Rar file, all you should need to do is get rid of the .zip extension, then open or right-click either file to be able to get the full PDF. I'll just download them to see if they're intact... They're fine. Oh, also remember, you have to actually save the files to a folder - you can't just Open them direct from your browser. How many pages should it be in total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 30 pages... last page should be a parts list with "5-6" as the page number on the printed page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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