godslabrat Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I think SMB2 (USA) gets a bad rap. True, it's a sprite hack, but that wasn't common knowledge back in 1988. To us, at the time, it was Mario 2, plain and simple. The actual origins of the game didn't become widely known until the early 90s, and in the interim, we played the game, and most NES fans liked it. A few, such as myself, liked it a lot. And why not? It's a good game. The fact that it originally starred some guy in a turban doesn't change that, nor does the fact that we can now play the original SMB2j. I think a lot of gamers have become a bit snarky at knowing how SMB2 came to be. You can say it's not the original Mario 2, because that's a fact... but at least acknowledge that it's a legit Mario game, even if it's an adopted one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royalshin Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 (edited) SMB2 ( USA ) had two extra bosses and various features. There was more done to SMB2 ( USA ). Keep in mind that there no development of this game done in USA. Also think of the commercialization of the game that benifited Mario The Super Mario Super Show Yoshi's Island Series Paper Mario Mario 64 I just adore those Shy-Guys efforts. Edited December 14, 2008 by Royalshin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 (edited) True, it's a sprite hack, but that wasn't common knowledge back in 1988. To us, at the time, it was Mario 2, plain and simple. Well, Electronic Gaming Monthly did call it out right there in the magazine in the late 80's.. that's actually what made me go out and buy what I thought was the "real" smb2 (luckily where I'm from they sold more Famicom stuff than NES). However of course it turned out to be a chinese bootleg The actual origins of the game didn't become widely known until the early 90s, and in the interim, we played the game, and most NES fans liked it. A few, such as myself, liked it a lot. And why not? It's a good game. The fact that it originally starred some guy in a turban doesn't change that, nor does the fact that we can now play the original SMB2j. I think a lot of gamers have become a bit snarky at knowing how SMB2 came to be. You can say it's not the original Mario 2, because that's a fact... but at least acknowledge that it's a legit Mario game, even if it's an adopted one. Let me put it this way.. I DO believe SMB2-US IS in fact "a" Super Mario Bros 2. Heck, it's designed by Shigero Miyamoto (both in Doki and SMB2 form), it's FROM Nintendo. Who else besides them to tell the world what SMB2 is? However, the Jap SMB2 definitely came out first, and definitely was known as "SMB2" way before SMB2-US was a twinkle in shiggy & the US marketing dept's eye. So it's the real one as far as I'm concerned. So again.. SMB2-US = fantastic game.. one of my favorites. Miyamoto & Nintendo magic all the way. It's "A" official SMB2. But; SMB2-Jap = Original and thus "the" SMB2 of history. Edited December 14, 2008 by NE146 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Let me put it this way.. I DO believe SMB2-US IS in fact "a" Super Mario Bros 2. Heck, it's designed by Shigero Miyamoto (both in Doki and SMB2 form), it's FROM Nintendo. Who else besides them to tell the world what SMB2 is? However, the Jap SMB2 definitely came out first, and definitely was known as "SMB2" way before SMB2-US was a twinkle in shiggy & the US marketing dept's eye. So it's the real one as far as I'm concerned. I would agree to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaWarrior Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Let me put it this way.. I DO believe SMB2-US IS in fact "a" Super Mario Bros 2. Heck, it's designed by Shigero Miyamoto (both in Doki and SMB2 form), it's FROM Nintendo. Who else besides them to tell the world what SMB2 is? However, the Jap SMB2 definitely came out first, and definitely was known as "SMB2" way before SMB2-US was a twinkle in shiggy & the US marketing dept's eye. So it's the real one as far as I'm concerned. I would agree to that. I don't..Mario 2 USA isn't a Mario Game, yes it made by the same person..but it's a hack of a Japanese Game DDP Mario 2 JPN is the REAL Mario Game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Let me put it this way.. I DO believe SMB2-US IS in fact "a" Super Mario Bros 2. Heck, it's designed by Shigero Miyamoto (both in Doki and SMB2 form), it's FROM Nintendo. Who else besides them to tell the world what SMB2 is? However, the Jap SMB2 definitely came out first, and definitely was known as "SMB2" way before SMB2-US was a twinkle in shiggy & the US marketing dept's eye. So it's the real one as far as I'm concerned. I would agree to that. I don't..Mario 2 USA isn't a Mario Game... Yes it is. It says so on the label, on the instructions, on the box, on the ads, on the posters.... It's a Mario game. I am also in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaWarrior Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 No it's not Nintendo just replaced the Sprites on DDP change the code..for it to work on the NES & put SMB2 on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues_Bloody Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 No it's not Nintendo just replaced the Sprites on DDP change the code..for it to work on the NES & put SMB2 on it The fact that Nintendo, the company in charge of the cannon of the Mario series, called it SMB2 makes it a Mario game. It may not be an original Mario game but a Mario game none the less. I can understand the debate about SMB USA not being the real SMB2 but to argue that it isn't even part of the Mario bros. series is completely ridiculous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I don't..Mario 2 USA isn't a Mario Game, yes it made by the same person..but it's a hack of a Japanese Game DDP Mario 2 JPN is the REAL Mario Game Uhh.. isn't that what I said? I believe that SMB2-Jap is the real one and said so. SMB2 definitely came out first, and definitely was known as "SMB2" way before SMB2-US was a twinkle in shiggy & the US marketing dept's eye. So it's the real one as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 No it's not Nintendo just replaced the Sprites on DDP change the code..for it to work on the NES & put SMB2 on it So... when Bob-ombs show up in SMB3, or Shyguys appear in SMW2 and SMRPG, are we supposed to not consider those to be Mario games, because they contain characters that originated in another series? The game created from DDP has been shaping the Mario franchise for 20 years now. If we don't consider it a Mario game, how do we reconcile the games that borrow from SMB2 USA? Is Mario's Tennis really a Doki Doki Panic game because it features Birdo? Like someone else said, Nintendo themselves decided this should be a Mario game. They even went so far as to call it "Mario Madness". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 No it's not Nintendo just replaced the Sprites on DDP change the code..for it to work on the NES & put SMB2 on it (((in a childish voice))) Yes it is! It says Mario on it so it's a Mario game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Charlie Cat Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 No it's not Nintendo just replaced the Sprites on DDP change the code..for it to work on the NES & put SMB2 on it (((in a childish voice))) Yes it is! It says Mario on it so it's a Mario game. Hi guys, To help answer....If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and walks like a duck,...Then its a duck!! Anthony.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 No it's not Nintendo just replaced the Sprites on DDP change the code..for it to work on the NES & put SMB2 on it (((in a childish voice))) Yes it is! It says Mario on it so it's a Mario game. Hi guys, To help answer....If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and walks like a duck,...Then its a duck!! Anthony.... It looks like SMB2, acts like SMB2, walks like SMB2, then it's SMB2. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artlover Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 To help answer....If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and walks like a duck,...Then its a duck!!It looks like SMB2, acts like SMB2, walks like SMB2, then it's SMB2. Don't you mean... It looks like DDP, acts like DDP, walks like DDP, then it's DDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Charlie Cat Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 To help answer....If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and walks like a duck,...Then its a duck!!It looks like SMB2, acts like SMB2, walks like SMB2, then it's SMB2. Don't you mean... It looks like DDP, acts like DDP, walks like DDP, then it's DDP. Hi guys, No,no,no,....Diamond Dallas Page from WCW, WWF(E), and TNA was not in Doki Doki Panic. But that would've been sweet. (-_^) Anthony.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atreyu187 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I just sold my pirate cart of this, but you can find another at Famicomworld's forums. If yo uneed a Famicom adapter just PM me and I can hook you up with a nice one not just the ones that come out of NES carts as those get stuck in toasters so much and are hard to get out with damaging them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 To help answer....If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and walks like a duck,...Then its a duck!!It looks like SMB2, acts like SMB2, walks like SMB2, then it's SMB2. Don't you mean... It looks like DDP, acts like DDP, walks like DDP, then it's DDP. Hi guys, No,no,no,....Diamond Dallas Page from WCW, WWF(E), and TNA was not in Doki Doki Panic. But that would've been sweet. (-_^) Anthony.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segataritensoftii Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 You know, guys, this argument has gotten REALLY old. Like they said in the book Anguished English: "Stop beating a dead horse to death." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 You know, guys, this argument has gotten REALLY old. No it hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Charlie Cat Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 You know, guys, this argument has gotten REALLY old. Like they said in the book Anguished English: "Stop beating a dead horse to death." Hi guys, I don't feel that this friendly dispute is getting old, its just expressing our opinion on a controversial issue that will continue to be argued about for the years to come. Gamers & Pros have been talking about this since the 80's Anthony.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyg2181 Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 They are both mario games. but the real one is the one never released in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 They are both mario games. but the real one is the one never released in the US Define the term "real" in relation to this topic and maybe your statement might have some grounds for creditability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artlover Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Define the term "real" in relation to this topic and maybe your statement might have some grounds for creditability. Hasn't this already been defined.... Real = Original. The first one. The actual SMB2 Nintendo made and sold as SMB2 two years earlier, that looks & plays exactly as a sequel to the original SMB, but was deemed that the rest of the world was too stupid to appericiate so they sprite hacked another one of their completely different games to sell to the rest of us under the title of SMB2 two years after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Define the term "real" in relation to this topic and maybe your statement might have some grounds for creditability. Hasn't this already been defined.... Well, technically by you in a second...but I was looking for how he defined "real" in this case. Real = Original. The first one. The actual SMB2 Nintendo made and sold as SMB2 two years earlier, that looks & plays exactly as a sequel to the original SMB, but was deemed that the rest of the world was too stupid to appericiate so they sprite hacked another one of their completely different games to sell to the rest of us under the title of SMB2 two years after the fact. Thanks, that was very elaborate...but I was asking him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisbid Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) if a sprite hack is such a bad thing, then why offer this much praise for a simple level hack? shouldnt a sequel offer more than new levels? Edited December 21, 2008 by chrisbid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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