Mclaneinc Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) Can I just say how amazing it is to see stuff like this on my old trusty Atari, I'm from the days of the 8bit, I had the joys of going to Silica and seeing the new releases that blew me away and then when I was in the industry myself it was just so much of a rush to see things like Way Out, Spelunker, Bruce lee as they were being released for the first time. Had the games looked like what I'm seeing on this thread I'd have thought I had died and gone to heaven.. Brilliant work, I hope it gets the support it deserves and pays a few bills as well! Edited May 7, 2009 by Mclaneinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Well, the mode simply has twice as much pixels per line as the "standard res" mode (i.e. std res = 256/320/336 pixels per line, hires = 512/640/672 ppl), and 16 colors (out of 2 mln) instead of 256. The number of scanlines remain the same, as it is the old GTIA that generates the sync signals. Works nice, but I have no examples - although I of course could draw something in TBXL using my "S2:" driver, and then dump it into a BMP file. The 80-column text mode is very nice too. Real shame we can't have double vertical resoltion, too. I suppose Hi-res is more or less equivalent to the ST's medium res, but with 4 bits per pixel instead of two. Still, even with 200 lines and 640 pixels accross (and appropriate aspect ratio management), it should be possible to make some really nice-looking proportional fonts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Vertical resolution doubling might yet be possible. I don't have a VBXE board, so I've had to send some Interlace code to candle to play about with. Of course, it's not the preferred method these days to do hires, but I don't think the developers could have included a hires 31 KHz progressive mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 how do i have to setup the blitter to "fill" areas? and is it right that next flag in the bcb 19th byte is x08 for fetching next blitter command block? (yeah... I know... it is written in the manual but I my 2nd blitter test does not paint any stuff on screen... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 to pait with solid color? or pattern? for solid: source address is not important width and height of source are not important blittern and mask must be equal to 0 blitter xor mask is your fill color number next flag is ineed 0x08, but it has to be set in CURRENTLY processed bcb, so, if you have 2 bcbs in blitter list, first one (the one you're writting its address to blitter hardware registers) has to have the next flag set, and the next one has to have it cleared for patter, conslut manual sorry, never did that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) aaaaah... that sounds interesting... i thought the blitter stuff is like on playstation and other GPUs... so... i had BCBs with 19th byte set to 8 and last blitter block was set to 0... need to double check the manual but it was not 100% clear. look: The Blitter built into the VBXE core allows to copy and fill VRAM areas of any size. The Blitter is controlled by the BlitterList – a sequence of data loaded into the VRAM by the Atari CPU. The general structure of the BlitterList looks as follows: BCB BCB BCB ... BCB with NEXT-marker cleared NEXT – if this bit is cleared (0), then te current BCB is the last BCB in the BlitterList, and after its execution the Blitter will end processing, clear the BUSY flag in the BLITTER_BUSY register, and triggering an IRQ, if it was allowed in the IRQ_CONTROL register. If the NEXT bit is set (1), then after finishing with the current BCB, the Blitter will behave as follows: - clear the BUSY flag in the BLITTER_BUSY register - at the same time it will set the BCB_LOAD flag in the same register - fetch the next BCB - set the BUSY flag in the BLITTER_BUSY register - perform the next BCB - after that, clear the BUSY flag - check the NEXT bit - etc. (the end or a next BCB) Edited May 9, 2009 by Heaven/TQA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 i'm not familiar with blitter on psp, could you pm me with some details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) i ment the primitive list of the psx (psone) not psp... BLT_copy: dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x00,0x70,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x20,0x70,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x40,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x60,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x80,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0xa0,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0xc0,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0xe0,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x00,0x61,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + end block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x20,0x61,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x00 ; control mode 0 + end block BLT_lenght equ *-BLT_copy BLT_copy: dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x00,0x70,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x20,0x70,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x40,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x60,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x80,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0xa0,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0xc0,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0xe0,0x60,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + next block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x00,0x61,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x08 ; control mode 0 + end block dta 0x00,0x00,0x00; source address dta <320,>320 ; source step dta 0x20,0x61,0x00; destination address dta <320,>320 ; destination step dta 0x20,0x00; width dta 0x1f ; height dta 0x00 ; and mask dta 0xff ; xor mask dta 0x00 ; collision and mask dta 0x00 ; zoom dta 0x00 ; patter feature dta 0x00 ; control mode 0 + end block BLT_lenght equ *-BLT_copy Edited May 9, 2009 by Heaven/TQA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Today i've received NTSC version of Atari 800XL - this is the worst case (at least for my point of view) - machine is freddy-less, only one crystal is present on the board, and this is probably not 14.318MHz, so everything will have to be provided off-board... in the meanwhile vbxe-2 board finally is going into prototyping stage (to PCB house, and yes - i have huge delay) i never understood the love for XL series, now i have to admit it has really nice keyboard, then again - its ugly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellis Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 i never understood the love for XL series, now i have to admit it has really nice keyboard, then again - its ugly! Or it's beautiful, depending on your point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 my point is in design as such it fits nicely with Atari 1050, or 1010, but i would rather have 130XE, XC11, and XF disk drive XE gray colour scheme way more appealig (hope that is aproperiate word for this) for me, than beige and brown of XL series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaxon Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Sorry for marketing but this Atari looking for new home, of course price is for disscusion. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Atari-65-xe-VBXE-ste...93%3A1|294%3A50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezz Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 my point is in design as such it fits nicely with Atari 1050, or 1010, but i would rather have 130XE, XC11, and XF disk driveXE gray colour scheme way more appealig (hope that is aproperiate word for this) for me, than beige and brown of XL series Not to break off from the subject of the thread but just to add ..I prefer the XE and XF design too personally although I don't dislike the XL range by any means. Build quality aside, the vast majority it seems prefer the XL's design. I'm looking forward to installing the VBXE2 when it's available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
777ismyname Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Sorry for marketing but this Atari looking for new home, of course price is for disscusion. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Atari-65-xe-VBXE-ste...93%3A1|294%3A50 I love your computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwhyte Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 i did a little lame slideshow for vbxe, it lacs almost everything that slideshow should have, but... here it is boot from d1, and load slide.com maybe someone who already got vbxe make a movie from it? users not having vbxe won't see a thing amazing!!! simply amazing stills for an a8!!! i'm just curious as to how the .dap files are constructed and what vbxe dlist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 i've included all the source code (for slideshow and bmp2dap file converter) here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 what I have seen the DAP format is reorganising the palette entries to linear R, G, B tables so it is easier to fill into VBXE2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 that is correct, if something can be done once and everything depending on this would speed up, why not do it? if 6502 would have 16 bit indexing regiesters it wouldn't be requred, but it hasn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwhyte Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 i've included all the source code (for slideshow and bmp2dap file converter) here that's awesome candle... thank you!!! now we'll see what i can do with the vbxe other than making porn slideshows... lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwhyte Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Hmmm... I can't seem to get it working properly... any .bmp I've tried to convert using bmp2dap (after assembling the utility, of course) just comes out as scrambled on the screen... Is there any particular color depth and resolution the bitmaps need to be at before converting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 i assume 320x240x256 bmp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwhyte Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) i assume 320x240x256 bmp? it amazes me sometimes how i can overlook details such as this... i will be modifying the slide.com file a bit to suit my purposes; such as a full 16mb VBXE slideshow with controls... black is obviously the transparency color, so a quick STA to 710 should fix the display a bit... a nudie slide show is on the agenda tomorrow... lol... Edited May 15, 2009 by dwhyte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I started with candles example as skeleton, too... but sometimes he uses strange 6502 code or assembler syntax... as he is coming from PC platform... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven/TQA Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I started with candles example as skeleton, too... but sometimes he uses strange 6502 code or assembler syntax... as he is coming from PC platform... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I reckon nudie slide shows will probably be the number one app for VBXE until games/conversions start trickling out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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