Pyromaniac605 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 2 more Qs about the disk drive (last hopefully.) 1. Does it use its own power supply or is it powered by the C64? 2. Will a drive from another region work? -Darren- Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1961294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) 1. Does it use its own power supply or is it powered by the C64? Yes, it's own. 2. Will a drive from another region work? Yes, if you have the correct power supply. desiv Edited March 11, 2010 by desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1961308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromaniac605 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 1. Does it use its own power supply or is it powered by the C64? Yes, it's own. 2. Will a drive from another region work? Yes, if you have the correct power supply. desiv Damn so getting one from another region is out of the question because. 1.Adapters are so damn expensive because i need one that changes the plug AND the voltage. 2.It uses its own damn power supply! Does the cassette drive have its own? NO! (i think) -Darren- Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1961338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Damn so getting one from another region is out of the question because. 1.Adapters are so damn expensive because i need one that changes the plug AND the voltage. 2.It uses its own damn power supply! Does the cassette drive have its own? NO! (i think) -Darren- The drive is the same everywhere, but the power supply that comes with it is geared towards the country it was sold in. If the country it was sold in uses the same as where you live it should work. Just remember the power plug as well. Cassette is powered by the computer... at least the one I got with a lot of old computer stuff appears to be. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1961397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromaniac605 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 Well gonna have to hold off on the floppy drive for a while then. -Darren- Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1961693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Well gonna have to hold off on the floppy drive for a while then. -Darren- uIEC. http://www.jbrain.com/ 1541-Ultimate-II. http://1541-ultimate.net These solutions are seriously made for you. Looking better all the time? Solve ALL of your problems, and then some, in one fell swoop. Save yourself a bunch of money too, in the long run. The 1541-Ultimate even emulates the SOUNDS of the 1541 floppy drive for crying out loud! It's that perfect and realistic without the size, reliability issues, cost of floppies etc etc etc. Really. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1961763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromaniac605 Posted March 12, 2010 Author Share Posted March 12, 2010 Well gonna have to hold off on the floppy drive for a while then. -Darren- uIEC. http://www.jbrain.com/ 1541-Ultimate-II. http://1541-ultimate.net These solutions are seriously made for you. Looking better all the time? Solve ALL of your problems, and then some, in one fell swoop. Save yourself a bunch of money too, in the long run. The 1541-Ultimate even emulates the SOUNDS of the 1541 floppy drive for crying out loud! It's that perfect and realistic without the size, reliability issues, cost of floppies etc etc etc. Really. Look ive told you i dont want any of this crap i just want teh real thing real drive real floppies REAL! -Darren- Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1962084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 That's absolutely fine, have it your way. No need to get angry, just trying to offer you advice/help based on the issues you're having making this work. BTW, those units are anything but "crap". They're the current state-of-the-art in C64 usage, but if you want the hassles of the "real thing" for realism, that's perfectly fine. Only reason I brought it up again was because you seem to be running into more and more issues, and because it fits in so well with the original parameters you set out to achieve in your other post (size, cost, games). Best of luck to you on your C64 journey though. Goodbye. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1962227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 You know, they make lots of decaffeinated drinks now... Maybe some soothing music.. Ocean sounds.. OOohhhmmmmm.. Ooohhhmmmm... desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1962580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 That's absolutely fine, have it your way. No need to get angry, just trying to offer you advice/help based on the issues you're having making this work. BTW, those units are anything but "crap". They're the current state-of-the-art in C64 usage, but if you want the hassles of the "real thing" for realism, that's perfectly fine. Only reason I brought it up again was because you seem to be running into more and more issues, and because it fits in so well with the original parameters you set out to achieve in your other post (size, cost, games). Best of luck to you on your C64 journey though. Goodbye. HA! Talk about a case of "no good deed goes unpunished." The 1541 Ultimate is *anything* but crap. Why on earth anyone wouldn't want one - if they're serious about playing with a C64 in 2010 - is beyond me. I can understand wanting "real" drives around for nostalgia, but unless you're very technically proficient (know enough about electronics/drives to diagnose/repair yourself) then I can not see a downside at all to SD card devices like this. Cost?? For me to locate working drives and floppies, and then pay 2-way shipping to someone smarter who can repair the drive.....would likely come close in cost, to say nothing of significant hassle and time. I'm most definitely not rich, but to me, if money is tight enough that the price of one is a problem, I probably shouldn't be wasting money on computers (and videogames) and concentrate on building a savings account and getting a little ahead, then resume hobby. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1962591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimefighter Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 A Fast Load or Super Snapshot cartridge IS A MUST. Access times for Commodore drives are ridiculously slow without them. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1962771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromaniac605 Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 A Fast Load or Super Snapshot cartridge IS A MUST. Access times for Commodore drives are ridiculously slow without them. Ever heard of patience? Obviously not. -Darren- Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1963761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Look ive told you i dont want any of this crap i just want teh real thing real drive real floppies REAL! -Darren- A Fast Load or Super Snapshot cartridge IS A MUST. Access times for Commodore drives are ridiculously slow without them. Ever heard of patience? Obviously not. -Darren- Wow, you have a very sweet attitude towards the people who chose to post in your "help" thread. I'm sure everyone will be glad to help in the future, because of your pleasant demeanor and obvious gratitude. You shouldn't try so hard to be nice. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1964544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Yeah, I've seen enough. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1964636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 @Pyromaniac: how are you going to get disk images and programs onto a disk for play on the C64? Are you already sitting on a stash of disks or plan on collecting originals or something? The Fast Load and uIEC scenario people are talking about really are the keys to C64 satisfaction. In fact, JiffyDOS and that Fast Load cartridge have been around since the late 80's. EVERYONE who did any kind of work or gaming on a C64 either had one or coveted one. They were never expensive, so everyone I knew back then had one. There is a serious "flaw" in how the C64 extracts data from floppy. Not only does it waste time read-verifying everything, but it sports a serial connection for Pete's sake! So yeah, having patience is one thing, but in all seriousness, C64 disk drives blow arse. This is coming from someone that usually respects the original experience, look, feel, smell and taste of this old stuff (yuck!), but shit is shit. If you really want a disk drive hogging desktop space, by all means, go and get yourself a 1541! After a while goes by and you realize you can't locate floppies for it, get yourself one of the solid state storage solutions and dremel out a slot in the 1541 for it. Best of boaf worlds! Much better than sitting here and arguing with people. In all the time you've wasted dilly-dallying around, you could have taken peoples advice and already gotten down to some good old fashioned C64 gaming Unless of course, you're into S&M.... then an unmodded "original" C64 & 1541 drive will suit you well. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1964644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatNJ Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 ahh cut him some slack. He knows what its all about after all he was born 2 years after Commodore went Bankrupt and liquidated. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1964726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 @Pyromaniac: how are you going to get disk images and programs onto a disk for play on the C64? Are you already sitting on a stash of disks or plan on collecting originals or something? The Fast Load and uIEC scenario people are talking about really are the keys to C64 satisfaction. In fact, JiffyDOS and that Fast Load cartridge have been around since the late 80's. EVERYONE who did any kind of work or gaming on a C64 either had one or coveted one. They were never expensive, so everyone I knew back then had one. There is a serious "flaw" in how the C64 extracts data from floppy. Not only does it waste time read-verifying everything, but it sports a serial connection for Pete's sake! So yeah, having patience is one thing, but in all seriousness, C64 disk drives blow arse. This is coming from someone that usually respects the original experience, look, feel, smell and taste of this old stuff (yuck!), but shit is shit. If you really want a disk drive hogging desktop space, by all means, go and get yourself a 1541! After a while goes by and you realize you can't locate floppies for it, get yourself one of the solid state storage solutions and dremel out a slot in the 1541 for it. Best of boaf worlds! Much better than sitting here and arguing with people. In all the time you've wasted dilly-dallying around, you could have taken peoples advice and already gotten down to some good old fashioned C64 gaming Unless of course, you're into S&M.... then an unmodded "original" C64 & 1541 drive will suit you well. Exactly... well spoken as always. Maybe you can get yourself virtually snapped at too, as he really doesn't want the advice he was asking for! 25 years of C64 useage here... add in yours, JamesD's and a few others, I'll bet we're up to 100+ years worth of free advice-giving power here, all for squat! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1964833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) Exactly... well spoken as always. Maybe you can get yourself virtually snapped at too, as he really doesn't want the advice he was asking for! 25 years of C64 useage here... add in yours, JamesD's and a few others, I'll bet we're up to 100+ years worth of free advice-giving power here, all for squat! I didn't chime in until now as it was obvious you guys had it under control. lol I don't think he meant the mad emoticon as malicious as some made it out though. Was probably having a bad day. I like to pull the mad card out once in a while too, but I'm never really *that* pissed (here on the board anyway), although the non-help I am getting from the ST people are starting to make me feel that way. lol Got some pretty petty personalities here, just trying to wade through it all - as we do in real "life". Edited March 15, 2010 by save2600 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1964940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromaniac605 Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 Oh well if they were available back in the '80 i guess i might as well get one then. -Darren- Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1965132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) probably having a bad day. I like to pull the mad card out once in a while too, but I'm never really *that* pissed (here on the board anyway), although the non-help I am getting from the ST people are starting to make me feel that way. lol Got some pretty petty personalities here, just trying to wade through it all - as we do in real "life". I haven't asked any ST questions myself - yet. But I have to admit, I'm a little surprised at the lack of traffic on the ST forum here. Sometimes it seems like a couple of days go by before you see a new post - as opposed to the A8 forum (not considering consoles in this comparison) which is difficult to keep up with. I suppose the ST just isn't terribly popular with retro-crowd - in the USA anyway. Atari-forum seems quite busy; it is located somewhere in Europe I think. I had ST back at 85 launch, haven't touched one in 20 years, and I am anticipating getting one in the future since I evidently can't get enough retro stuff in my middle age. Contemplating Amiga as well, but don't know jack (never had one). Of the 4 home computers that intrigue me (those 2 plus A8/C64 I already have), it seems that the ST is the least popular, and by no small margin. I'm thinking that's why you don't see much help here. (????) Still like to get my hands on 520STm one day though! I think surrounding myself with obsolete machines that were popular in my youth (including ones I never had but wondered about) must alleviate anxieties about my own obsolescence. Or maybe the simpler explanation is it's fun to screw with this stuff! Edited March 16, 2010 by wood_jl 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1965193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) By the way, the Epyx Fast Load cart (or any of them) will give you the useful shortcuts for loading etc just like JiffyDOS will. All the fast load carts that I've used will do that, so it's not really a consideration. Back in the day, the Epyx FastLoad cart was what most of us used, and we did great with it, fantastic product. Now, I think the JiffyDOS is better, but if we didn't have that, we'd be perfectly happy with the ol' Epyx FastLoad! i've never actually seen an Epyx fastload cartridge... i have five Action Replay 6 carts and the only time i've removed the one with the buttons extended away from the back from the machine in the last decade was to test a couple of game cartridges, otherwise it's always there. They're not as easy to get hold of these days, but devices like the 1541 Ultimate can emulate the Action Replay and it's younger, more powerful brother the Retro Replay. (Sorry for the late reply, i've literally only just noticed this thread. =-) Edited March 16, 2010 by TMR Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1965306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromaniac605 Posted March 17, 2010 Author Share Posted March 17, 2010 (edited) Look ive told you i dont want any of this crap i just want teh real thing real drive real floppies REAL! -Darren- A Fast Load or Super Snapshot cartridge IS A MUST. Access times for Commodore drives are ridiculously slow without them. Ever heard of patience? Obviously not. -Darren- Wow, you have a very sweet attitude towards the people who chose to post in your "help" thread. I'm sure everyone will be glad to help in the future, because of your pleasant demeanor and obvious gratitude. You shouldn't try so hard to be nice. I was getting angry because they weren't answering my questions only trying to get me to spend more money than i need to. -Darren- Edited March 17, 2010 by Pyromaniac605 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1965969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Look ive told you i dont want any of this crap i just want teh real thing real drive real floppies REAL! -Darren- A Fast Load or Super Snapshot cartridge IS A MUST. Access times for Commodore drives are ridiculously slow without them. Ever heard of patience? Obviously not. -Darren- Wow, you have a very sweet attitude towards the people who chose to post in your "help" thread. I'm sure everyone will be glad to help in the future, because of your pleasant demeanor and obvious gratitude. You shouldn't try so hard to be nice. I was getting angry because they weren't answering my questions only trying to get me to spend more money than i need to. -Darren- Actually, in a couple cases people answered questions multiple times and you kept asking, like what sort of drive you need to use withe the C64. Yet, I (and others) just continued to answer without getting angry. Also, as I (and several others) stated multiple times, one of the many reasons we were suggesting getting a modern 1541 replacement solution was to save money! Trust me, you will save a TON of money by just getting one of those vs. paying for a drive and the shipping (unless you find one locally), various disks (plus all the shipping on those in small lots or individually). You can just get a Brain uIEC unit and have all the disk images on the internet available at your fingertips at no additional expense. That's it, you're done. You would be money FAR ahead and have plenty more software to use. Every last thing I just said there was said before, repeatedly, there's nothing new there. To be totally blunt, you really seem to have a hard time reading or comprehending answers. You just continue to ask the same thing over and over again and then get angry about it. Waste all your money and have an inferior solution, please, and don't bother asking for advice if you're only going to get angry at all the people who respond with the exact same answers. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1965980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromaniac605 Posted March 17, 2010 Author Share Posted March 17, 2010 Look ive told you i dont want any of this crap i just want teh real thing real drive real floppies REAL! -Darren- A Fast Load or Super Snapshot cartridge IS A MUST. Access times for Commodore drives are ridiculously slow without them. Ever heard of patience? Obviously not. -Darren- Wow, you have a very sweet attitude towards the people who chose to post in your "help" thread. I'm sure everyone will be glad to help in the future, because of your pleasant demeanor and obvious gratitude. You shouldn't try so hard to be nice. I was getting angry because they weren't answering my questions only trying to get me to spend more money than i need to. -Darren- Actually, in a couple cases people answered questions multiple times and you kept asking, like what sort of drive you need to use withe the C64. Yet, I (and others) just continued to answer without getting angry. Also, as I (and several others) stated multiple times, one of the many reasons we were suggesting getting a modern 1541 replacement solution was to save money! Trust me, you will save a TON of money by just getting one of those vs. paying for a drive and the shipping (unless you find one locally), various disks (plus all the shipping on those in small lots or individually). You can just get a Brain uIEC unit and have all the disk images on the internet available at your fingertips at no additional expense. That's it, you're done. You would be money FAR ahead and have plenty more software to use. Every last thing I just said there was said before, repeatedly, there's nothing new there. To be totally blunt, you really seem to have a hard time reading or comprehending answers. You just continue to ask the same thing over and over again and then get angry about it. Waste all your money and have an inferior solution, please, and don't bother asking for advice if you're only going to get angry at all the people who respond with the exact same answers. Ok guys im sorry i was just a bit pissed off because half of the people were just telling me about fastloaders and stuff when i already said i might get one if the load times really are that bad but still people kept saying i need to get a fast loader instead of answering some of my other questions. -Darren- Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1965984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Fine, apology accepted. Except that your questions were being answered. Yes, some people kept chiming in with various fast load solutions (and I brought up a couple new points about them in response to various issues you were encountering), but your questions were all answered pretty quickly, multiple times in some cases. I had to write pretty much a novel about which drives you can use in order to get you to apparently understand. I have no problem helping out a n00b, but please at least read the answers and ask follow-up questions if you don't understand as maybe the answer wasn't detailed enough or whatever. There's a big difference between reading an answer and asking a polite follow-up and not acknowledging an answer at all, asking repeatedly, then becoming impatient about it. People will stop helping if you continue to do that. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/159198-need-some-c64-experts-here/page/3/#findComment-1965985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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