moycon Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I think this might be a HUGE hit if the games were like 100 points a piece. At 240 to 400, it's just not worth it I don't think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I think this might be a HUGE hit if the games were like 100 points a piece. At 240 to 400, it's just not worth it I don't think. I would totally go for 100 points like the Indie games. 80 to 100 can you imagine that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammR25 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 If they were 80 points I'd buy some but 240 point Indie games are better than these dinosaurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 No, they won't be coming back in the short run. There were rights issues when Midway went bankrupt regarding Digital Eclipse, so these versions will not be back unless someone relicenses them or produces new versions. I don't think anyone knows the real story behind it. The Midway titles done by Digital Eclipse on PSN (Gauntlet 2, Championship Sprint, etc.) remain available which confuses the situation. Wonder if the Midway titles on the original XBLA for the Xbox 1 are still available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 If they were 80 points I'd buy some but 240 point Indie games are better than these dinosaurs. Yeah I saw Outlaw for sale. Its a Classic game but come on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeptari Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Anyone have problems with Game Room locking up when it's loading at start up? If I go and delete my saved games settings on the HDD the game loads ok till the next time I try to load Game Room.... anyone?? the weird thing is all my settings, games and progress was still in the game.... nothing was removed.... help! -rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeptari Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I guess we'll have to change this thread to Lame Room. -rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeptari Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 nevermind. it loaded, it just took forever! I have mixed feelings about Game Room.... I just need to give it more time. -rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moycon Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 nevermind. it loaded, it just took forever! I've had that happen several times. I usually quit back to the dash and try again when it's happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzLee Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Would be nice to have these in the game room when the disc is in the machine. -Lee No the old arcade games you bought off Live won't work in the arcade. Sucks I know. .... Screw them then. A modded Xbox with Mame is looking down right attractive now. Greedy b'tards. -Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) Would be nice to have these in the game room when the disc is in the machine. -Lee No the old arcade games you bought off Live won't work in the arcade. Sucks I know. .... Screw them then. A modded Xbox with Mame is looking down right attractive now. Greedy b'tards. -Lee In my opinion there's no real reason why XBLA games should be integrated into your arcade letting you earn medals, Game Room achievements, and such. I assume they'd have to be patched to operate like a Game Room title if they were integrated so things like medals and other Game Room features work correctly and there's consistency. And how would they differentiate between XBLA games so just the classic XBLA titles on your hard drive or disc appear in your Game Room? And you'd also have people looking for achievements that have a large classic XBLA library possibly unfairly taking advantage of such integration to earn Game Room achievements using their already purchased content and leaving the service afterwards when they milked the achievements they wanted after not buying a single Game Room title. And I presume Krome Studios and Microsoft would have to negoitate to utilize assets to integrate XBLA content into the game that they don't have permission for currently in order to create things like arcade cabinets with the name and artwork on it and so on. And you'd also have concerns with consistency. You don't want someone getting confused on why 1 game in their Game Room has many more features like online play then the others, or why they're earning achievements in one game and nothing in others outside of the Game Room achievements themselves. Or if they decided to maintain consistency, you'd have to heavily patch XBLA content to disable things like their normal menus, achievements, enhanced modes, and so on to integrate it with the rest of the content and maintain a level of consistency throughout Game Room. Edited March 26, 2010 by Atariboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeptari Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 has anyone seen a list of upcoming games? like which activision games are coming? please say river raid! -rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzLee Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Would be nice to have these in the game room when the disc is in the machine. -Lee No the old arcade games you bought off Live won't work in the arcade. Sucks I know. .... Screw them then. A modded Xbox with Mame is looking down right attractive now. Greedy b'tards. -Lee In my opinion there's no real reason why XBLA games should be integrated into your arcade letting you earn medals, Game Room achievements, and such. I assume they'd have to be patched to operate like a Game Room title if they were integrated so things like medals and other Game Room features work correctly and there's consistency. And how would they differentiate between XBLA games so just the classic XBLA titles on your hard drive or disc appear in your Game Room? And you'd also have people looking for achievements that have a large classic XBLA library possibly unfairly taking advantage of such integration to earn Game Room achievements using their already purchased content and leaving the service afterwards when they milked the achievements they wanted after not buying a single Game Room title. And I presume Krome Studios and Microsoft would have to negoitate to utilize assets to integrate XBLA content into the game that they don't have permission for currently in order to create things like arcade cabinets with the name and artwork on it and so on. And you'd also have concerns with consistency. You don't want someone getting confused on why 1 game in their Game Room has many more features like online play then the others, or why they're earning achievements in one game and nothing in others outside of the Game Room achievements themselves. Or if they decided to maintain consistency, you'd have to heavily patch XBLA content to disable things like their normal menus, achievements, enhanced modes, and so on to integrate it with the rest of the content and maintain a level of consistency throughout Game Room. Totally understood. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Maybe a trade in program or something. I've bought and re-bought these games so many times over the years. I'm drawing a line in the sand here. -Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moycon Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Totally understood. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Maybe a trade in program or something. -Lee A great idea. Like how about if you bought it on Live already. It only costs 120 points to transfer over to your arcade. I think they are way off on their prices for this to really take off. Think about it. This is just the start of the program. If you wanted to invest right now in all the program had to offer, you'd spend $150. That's on 30 measly games many of which really aren't all that deep. Honestly how long would Outlaw keep your attention these days? I do like retro, and I think it's a fun concept.It's only day two and I'm already saying...Bring on the discount packs!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wntermute Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 No he can't. Midway removed all their games from XBLA. Actually, Midway went under and its IP assets were bought by Warner Bros. I'm guessing that Warner Bros. doesn't have an agreement in place with Microsoft and Digital Eclipse to sell the Midway XBLA classics at this point. Basically the same situation as Double Dragon way back when. The only time M$ cuts XBLA titles without warning is due to licensing issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wntermute Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I don't think anyone knows the real story behind it. The Midway titles done by Digital Eclipse on PSN (Gauntlet 2, Championship Sprint, etc.) remain available which confuses the situation. Wonder if the Midway titles on the original XBLA for the Xbox 1 are still available. The PSN versions were licensed and ported by SOE. Digital Eclipse didn't do the PS3 versions. Since Warner and Sony are so close, they probably worked something out. http://www.soepress.com/product.asp?s=29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) Sorry about that, I just always assumed Digital Eclipse was handling those too since it was happening around the same time they were porting things like Root Beer Tapper to XBLA. Edit - IGN list Backbone Entertainment/Digital Eclipse as the developer for them and SOE as the publisher and the following video showing Joust confirms it. Edited March 26, 2010 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vrocko Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I have to agree with all of you. I like the arcade design idea but paying for games I already have on the original systems, I've got all the Atari and Intellivision games they've listed, is just a waste of money to me. It's not that I don't like the games its just paying $3.00 for a game I already own and purchased for $1.00 or less doesn't make sense. I kind of hope that they combine XBLA and the Game Room. I think that would be cool. When you buy a new game or a classic you've always wanted in XBLA then you can add it to your personal game room for others to play. Adding the Indy games in here would also be good. I might pay more for games that are rare and hard to find (Crazy Climber, Quadrun, most of the Xonox games, Gravitar, Rubik's Cube, most of the Avalon Hill games, the Starpath games) but then again I could just go to Stella or Mame and play them on my PC for free. Hard to say where this will go, it may work but the costs need to come way down, 40 or 80 points a game I could see, and they need to let you add your XBLA and Indy games to your arcade. I was at the Team Xbox site and a lot of them didn't like the Game Room at all but they preferred the newer 360 games and didn't care for the classics, I think mainly because they didn't grow up in the era and they didn't like the graphics. A good game to me doesn't need fantastic graphics. I still love and play Breakout all the time and look at the graphics on it but that is a totally different subject. MS needs to work on this more. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) The games are hellishly expensive, aren't they? Combat should not cost that much. Wah, I just want my Robotron! The Robotron on XBLA had stupid 'upgraded' graphics (ie. worse). I just want Robotron perfectly emulated, then my 360 will truly replace my original nodded xbox. Edited March 26, 2010 by liveinabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wntermute Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Sorry about that, I just always assumed Digital Eclipse was handling those too since it was happening around the same time they were porting things like Root Beer Tapper to XBLA. Edit - IGN list Backbone Entertainment/Digital Eclipse as the developer for them and SOE as the publisher and the following video showing Joust confirms it. Of course, I assumed from the wording in the press release that they would be porting it themselves rather than giving it to DE/Backbone. Some companies just love taking credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wntermute Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 It just boils down to... we're not this software's demographic really. This is for those new to nostalgia to start a collection or send challenges to XBL/WL friends. Sure, I might grab a game or two once it gets going but probably something that appeals to me and is not available in a set somewhere else (read: none of the Atari & Intellivision games already released) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moycon Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 The Robotron on XBLA had stupid 'upgraded' graphics (ie. worse). I just want Robotron perfectly emulated, then my 360 will truly replace my original nodded xbox. You could play it in classic mode with out the lameness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davepesc Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I bought Scramble and Tempest. I would have bought Super Cobra as well, but it seemed like the emulation was off, or I just don't remember it running that fast! Either way, you know either game would cost 400 points under XBLA, so getting them for 240 seems like a bargain compared to that! I feel like I already got my $6 worth. If anyone wants to spend their tokens on a few plays, Gamertag: PerchHunter69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeptari Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 *** New Game Room games not coming until late April! *** see link>> http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-498465.aspx what a bummer! Looks like I'll be playing alot of Yars Revenge... I wish they'd release a list of games in the upcoming packs. -rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moycon Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 One thing I'm not crazy about. The challenges. So I was sent a challenge, but when I click to accept it it takes me to the page to purchase the game the challenge was for? So you can only accept challenges for games you have bought? Lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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