A.J. Franzman Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 OK, small correction made to the two Meltdown entries for my next update. For Solar Defense to be noted as "MAY EXIST", I'd like to see some kind of report of the game or a prototype being shown or owned by someone. Publisher catalog entries, and magazine articles featuring possibly mocked-up screenshots are insufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 (edited) OK, small correction made to the two Meltdown entries for my next update. For Solar Defense to be noted as "MAY EXIST", I'd like to see some kind of report of the game or a prototype being shown or owned by someone. Publisher catalog entries, and magazine articles featuring possibly mocked-up screenshots are insufficient. Once again: the screenshot of Solar Defense in Tilt is not a mock-up. You can see the interference on the TV screen. All other screenshots in that Tilt article were camera shots as well. So MAY EXIST is the proper note for this game. Edited September 27, 2010 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 OK, small correction made to the two Meltdown entries for my next update. For Solar Defense to be noted as "MAY EXIST", I'd like to see some kind of report of the game or a prototype being shown or owned by someone. Publisher catalog entries, and magazine articles featuring possibly mocked-up screenshots are insufficient. Once again: the screenshot of Solar Defense in Tilt is not a mock-up. You can see the interference on the TV screen. All other screenshots in that Tilt article were camera shots as well. So MAY EXIST is the proper note for this game. Plus, you really have to look at all the other mock-ups for the game. They match what apparently is a real screen shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Once again: the screenshot of Solar Defense in Tilt is not a mock-up. You can see the interference on the TV screen. All other screenshots in that Tilt article were camera shots as well. So MAY EXIST is the proper note for this game. Forgive my ignorance in this matter, but I just noticed that you list this as a VentureVision game on your site, while the article in Tilt seems to indicate that it's a Sancho game. Are these one and the same company? (and if so, shouldn't you list it under Sancho as well?) Also, the name Solar Defense isn't mentioned anywhere in Tilt, so how do you know for sure this really is the correct title for the screenshot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Once again: the screenshot of Solar Defense in Tilt is not a mock-up. You can see the interference on the TV screen. All other screenshots in that Tilt article were camera shots as well. So MAY EXIST is the proper note for this game. I see some moiré lines in the image on Atarimania, but that doesn't prove anything. That kind of artifact can occur any time an image based on regularly spaced elements is copied to another medium with regularly-spaced elements: raster to halftone, raster to pixels, halftone to pixels, etc. The only way to be certain that it's a genuine screenshot, would be if the moiré lines are present in the original magazine image (which eliminates the possibility of the moiré pattern being caused by digital pixels). Since I don't have an original of that magazine issue, I don't know for certain. But if you have the original magazine and you say the lines are really there (not only in the scanned images of the article on your computer screen), then I'll take your word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Plus, you really have to look at all the other mock-ups for the game. They match what apparently is a real screen shot. Mock-ups would match another mock-up too, so that argument carries no logical weight. Where can I see "all the other mock-ups for the game", for comparison to the "apparently ... real screen shot" in Tilt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 (edited) Forgive my ignorance in this matter, but I just noticed that you list this as a VentureVision game on your site, while the article in Tilt seems to indicate that it's a Sancho game. Are these one and the same company? (and if so, shouldn't you list it under Sancho as well?) Also, the name Solar Defense isn't mentioned anywhere in Tilt, so how do you know for sure this really is the correct title for the screenshot?The article made a mistake by pointing to screenshot 11 and 12 as being Sancho titles, while in fact these are VentureVision titles (a few lines later mentioned as Venture). An article in Videogaming Illustrated shows a similar screenshot under the name Solar Defense. Edited September 27, 2010 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Once again: the screenshot of Solar Defense in Tilt is not a mock-up. You can see the interference on the TV screen. All other screenshots in that Tilt article were camera shots as well. So MAY EXIST is the proper note for this game. I see some moiré lines in the image on Atarimania, but that doesn't prove anything. That kind of artifact can occur any time an image based on regularly spaced elements is copied to another medium with regularly-spaced elements: raster to halftone, raster to pixels, halftone to pixels, etc. The only way to be certain that it's a genuine screenshot, would be if the moiré lines are present in the original magazine image (which eliminates the possibility of the moiré pattern being caused by digital pixels). Since I don't have an original of that magazine issue, I don't know for certain. But if you have the original magazine and you say the lines are really there (not only in the scanned images of the article on your computer screen), then I'll take your word for it. Yes, the original magazine shows these moiré lines as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Maybe I am not understanding how to read this list correctly. But, how are you getting Sewer Sam as a 2600 game from Interphase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 (edited) For the most part, I don't know how any particular item got on the list. It's a very old list, which was posted by Duke Of Roxburghe in post #1 (I don't know where he got it or when it originated), and which I've only begun updating a few months ago. Just about all of the items I've added, came from Tempest's website, Atariprotos.com (both the Atari 2600 Software and Rumor Mill sections). A few others came from various forum posts here at AA. If you have knowledge that Sewer Sam was never intended to be a VCS title, please share. Even better, would be to find the reference which erroneously reported it as planned or in production for the VCS -- but it sounds to me like this is exactly what you're wondering. Edited September 28, 2010 by A.J. Franzman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 For the most part, I don't know how any particular item got on the list. It's a very old list, which was posted by Duke Of Roxburghe in post #1 (I don't know where he got it or when it originated), and which I've only begun updating a few months ago. Just about all of the items I've added, came from Tempest's website, Atariprotos.com (both the Atari 2600 Software and Rumor Mill sections). A few others came from various forum posts here at AA. If you have knowledge that Sewer Sam was never intended to be a VCS title, please share. Even better, would be to find the reference which erroneously reported it as planned or in production for the VCS -- but it sounds to me like this is exactly what you're wondering. AFAIK Sewer Sam was never planned for the VCS, but for the Intellivision and Colecovision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Wait a minute... Atom Smasher/Meltdown was last an ATARI title, not 20th Century Fox? And it was really made by Videa... so did Cumma actually have rights to it at some point? Or did they have nothing to do with it, other than "borrowing" it for the 1983 Winter CES?Nolan Bushnell, Al Alcorn, and Joseph Keenan started Cumma. Pizza Time Theatre, which involved Bushnell and Keenan, bought Videa. I'm leaving out details, but I think you can make the connection. There was an original game by Atari called Meltdown, don't confuse the two. It was released for the 7800 but it was also planned for the 2600. Thanks for clearing that up. DP was the source of the misinformation, not CRV or me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 OK, it's been almost a month since I last posted it, so here's my latest revision of the list. I found a few additional titles in a file here in the AA archives, but most of the changes are in the Notes column. Atari VCS 2600 Cartridges Reported as Unreleased Last updated 2010-Sep-28 Key: ALIAS game is better known by another name-- in most cases, released FOUND game exists and binary has become readily available to the public FOUND- most complete known binary not publicly available, but earlier is EXISTS game prototype cartridge/board, EPROM, binary or source code has been discovered or is believed to be in a private collection but the binary is not publicly available MAY EXIST at least one credible source confirms that at least some coding of the game was started - perhaps as little as a 1-screen static demo ALIAS+EXISTS Space Mission was a working title shown in ads for what Atari released as Star Ship. The game was also released by Sears as Outer Space. However, one Atari-branded cartridge bearing the Space Mission name has been found. EXISTS+ALIAS one copy of the Pink Panther game is known to exist. The game is known by several different titles. FOUND+ALIAS Computer Chess was the working title of Video Chess. The prototype has additional features that were removed from the released version for unknown reasons. The only known cartridge with this name has a production end label. VAPOR it is believed that no coding ever took place for this title Titles without any entry in the NOTES column may never have been started. If the NOTES entry is a system name or "8 BIT COMPUTERS", that title was not a VCS game. If the NOTES entry is a different publisher, the game was released (or intended for release) by that publisher. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Title Publisher Mfg # NOTES ------------------------------------- -------------- ------- --------------- 3-D Asteroids Atari CX26105 3-D Genesis Amiga EXISTS 3-D Ghost Attack Amiga EXISTS 3-D Ghost Attack (for Amiga Power Module) 1100 APM UNRELEASED 3-D Havoc Amiga EXISTS 3-D Havoc (for Amiga Power Module) Amiga 2110 APM UNRELEASED 3-D Rubik's Cube Atari FOUND 4 in 1 Atari CX26137 FOUND 8 in 1 (AKA Supergames 8 in 1) Atari CX26193 FOUND 9 to 5 20th-Fox 28 in 1 Atari 30 in 1 Atari 48 Hours Sega $25,000 Pyramid Great Game Co. Actionauts (AKA Microbots) Atari EXISTS AD&D: Tower of Mystery Mattel MT7175 EXISTS AD&D: Treasure of Tarmin Mattel MT4325 EXISTS Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Mattel SEE 2 ABOVE Adventures of Max, The Atari MAY EXIST Adventures of the Pink Panther Probe 2000 EXISTS+ALIAS Aerial Ace Imagic IA3409 ALIAS Airplane! Sega Air-Sea Attack Ultravision 1001 COLECOVISION Alligator People 20th-Fox FOUND Androman on the Moon (for Androman) Atari FOUND Anteater Mattel EXISTS Aquaventure Atari FOUND Astro-Battle Ultravision ALIAS/DIMAX Astrochase Parker Bros. EXISTS Astrowar Artic SM8002 DIMAX A-Team, The Atari CX26133 FOUND Atom Smasher Cumma ALIAS Atom Smasher Videa ALIAS Attack of the Baby Seals 20th-Fox VAPOR B-52 Bomber Ultravision 1003 COLECOVISION B.C.'s Quest For Tires Tigervision COLECOVISION B.C. II: Grog's Revenge Tigervision COLECOVISION Baby Boom Boom Telesys ALIAS Bagman Atari MAY EXIST Ballblazer Atari MAY EXIST Baseball Panda Inc. Baseball Best (AKA Baseball Top) Ultravision 1004 COLECOVISION BASIC Unitronics BASIC Programming (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Battle of the Sexes Multivision MAY EXIST Bear Jam Chalkboard Inc. Beginning Algebra (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Beginning Math (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Bionic Breakthrough (for Mindlink) Atari FOUND Bird Activision MAY EXIST Birthday Mania Personal Games Company EXISTS Blockade Runner Interphase Blow Out M Network MAY EXIST Blue Angels Apollo Bobby's Cosmic Adventure Telegames Boggle Atari FOUND Boing! Atari CX26128 FIRST STAR Boing! First Star FOUND Boing! Xonox FIRST STAR Bouncin' Baby Bunnies Telesys EXISTS Bouncing Baby Monkeys Telesys ALIAS Brain Ball Telesys Buck Rogers: Caverns of Zagreb Sega Buck Rogers: Marathon of Zenda Sega Buck Rogers: Secret of Sabar Sega Bugs Bunny Atari FOUND Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 20th-Fox Cabbage Patch Kids Adventures... Park Coleco FOUND Candyland Surfing 20th-Fox MAY EXIST Care Bears Parker Bros. FOUND Catch the Fly U.S. Games VC 2004 ALIAS Cat-Nap Zimag 8 BIT COMPUTERS Cat Trax UA Limited FOUND Cave-In Spectravision Caverns of Mars Atari (a homebrew version of this game was released on the Flashback 2) Caverns of Mars (for The Graduate) Atari GRAD UNRELEASED Challenge of.... Nexar, The 20th-Fox SPECTRAVIDEO Challenger Atari Changes Tigervision 7-013 Childrens Intro to Programming (Grad) Atari GRAD UNRELEASED CHIPs Ultravision Choplifter! Atari CX26124 Circus Charlie Parker Bros. PB5750 MAY EXIST Clone Attack Starpath Collision Course Zimag 8 BIT COMPUTERS Combat Two Atari CX26156 FOUND Computer Chess Atari FOUND+ALIAS Computer Corridor (=Computer Revenge) Mattel MT4318 MAY EXIST Computer Typing (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Confrontation Answer FOUND Conservation: The Watt Way Panda Inc. Contenders Activision AK-041 Cosmic Avenger Coleco 2464 Countermeasure Atari Count's Castle Atari MAY EXIST Crack'ed Atari CX26142 FOUND Cubicolor Imagic FOUND Cumulus Mattel MAY EXIST Darts U.S. Games Day the Earth Stood Still, The 20th-Fox Dazzler Unitronics Deep Throat Games People Play Depth Charge Amiga EXISTS Depth Charge (for Amiga Power Module) Amiga 1100 APM UNRELEASED Dinograms Zimag ALIAS? Domino Man CBS Electronics Donald Duck's Speedboat Atari CX26108 FOUND Donkey Kong (for The Graduate) Atari GRAD UNRELEASED Donkey Kong 3 Atari? VAPOR? Dragon's Lair Coleco Dragonslayer Sega Dreadnaught Factor Activision Drive 'Em Krazy Spectravision SA-216 Dual Scrolling (untitled) Mattel MAY EXIST Dukes of Hazzard (Stunt Cycle hack) Atari CX2678? FOUND Dukes of Hazzard (original game) Atari CX2678 FOUND Dumbo's Flying Circus Atari CX26115 FOUND Dune Atari FOUND Dungeon Master Telegames Dutch Elm Defender 20th-Fox VAPOR Eagle Mountain Spectravision SA-221 Electronic Football (port of handheld) Mattel Elevator Action Atari CX26126 FOUND Elk Attack Atari FOUND Emergency! (AKA Emergency I) Ultravision COLECOVISION Energy Quizz Hydro Quebec? COLECOVISION? Entity, The 20th-Fox 11036 FOUND Escape From Alcatraz Sega Escape from Argos Imagic ALIAS Exus Health Cycle Program Exus Fail Safe Atari Fall Guy, The 20th-Fox 11018 Family Feud Great Game Co. Family Finances (for The Graduate) Atari GRAD UNRELEASED Fire! Palmex Flap! Imagic EIZ-002-041 ALIAS Flapper (AKA Beanie Bopper, Jumper) Mattel MAY EXIST Flashlight (untitled) Mattel MAY EXIST Flesh Gordon Wizard Video MAY EXIST Flintstones, The M Network Flipper Technovision Food Fight Atari CX2693 Football (AKA Red vs. Blue) Atari FOUND Football Fanatic Sports Comp-U-Stat Forest Panda Inc. SANCHO/PAL Formula I Technovision TVS 1008 Foxbat Atari ALIAS? Frantic Starpath Frenzy Coleco Friday the 13th Sega Frog Demo Commavid FOUND Frogger Atari CX26147 PARKER Frog Pond Atari CX2665 FOUND Funky Fish UA Limited FOUND Galactic Invaders Panda Inc. Galaga Atari CX26116 MAY EXIST Galaxy Invader Action Hi-Tech EXISTS Gamma Attack Gammation FOUND Garfield Atari FOUND Getcha Multivision Ghostbusters II Activision SALU/PAL Glactic Tactic Spectravision SA-211 Going-Up?? Starpath EXISTS Good Luck, Charlie Brown Atari CX26112 FOUND- Grover's Music Maker Atari CX26106 FOUND Happy Trails Activision INTELLIVISION Harem Multivision FOUND Harem 1 Multivision ? Harem 2 Multivision ? Heartbreak Multivision Hercules vs. the Titans Xonox High Seas M Network ALIAS Holey Moley Atari CX26130 FOUND Home Filing Manager (for The Graduate)Atari GRAD UNRELEASED Home Finance (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Honker Bonker Atari ALIAS? Hoover Dam (The Levee Game) Hop to It Imagic ALIAS Hot Rox Atari CX2615 ALIAS Hydroplane Mattel MAY EXIST Ice Trek Imagic Immies & Aggies Zimag FOUND Impossible Game, The Telesys MAY EXIST Incredible Hulk, The Parker Bros. MAY EXIST Inner Space Venture Vision ALIAS/IMAGIC In Search of the Golden Skull M Network MT4627 EXISTS Introduction to Programming (Grad.) Atari GRAD UNRELEASED Intuition Tigervision 7-009 Ixion Sega FOUND James Bond 007 as Seen in Octopussy Parker Bros. MAY EXIST James Bond in Moonraker Parker Bros. MAY EXIST Jaws Parker Bros. Jaws Universal Pictures PARKER BROS Jeopardy Great Game Co. Jinks Atari Joker's Wild, The Great Game Co. Jumbo Jet Pilot Thorn EMI Jungle Jim Technovision TVS 1005 Jungler Gakken Jungle Raid Starpath ALIAS Kabobber Activision FOUND Kamikaze Saucers Syncro FOUND Kerplop Zimag 8 BIT COMPUTERS Keystone Kapers II (speculative title) Activision Kickman CBS Electronics MAY EXIST Klax Atari CX26192 NTSC FOUND Knight Rider Studio Games Kyphus Apollo AP 2007 FOUND Labyrinth Starpath ALIAS Lady Bug Coleco 2463 (a homebrew port of this game has been released) Lasercade Videa FOUND Laser Raid Technovision TVS 1015 Last Line of Defense Starpath Last Starfighter, The (Doug Neubauer) Atari CX26134 ALIAS Last Starfighter, The (Tod Frye) Atari EXISTS Leonardo's Logo Chalkboard Inc. Leo's 'Lectric Paintbrush Chalkboard Inc. Leo's Links Chalkboard Inc. Loco-Motion M Network MT4323 EXISTS Locomotive Technovision EXISTS Logic Master Chalkboard Inc. Logo (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Look Ahead Cumma 20th-Fox? Look Ahead 20th-Fox Looping Coleco 2654 FOUND Lord of the Dungeon Probe 2000 Lord of the Rings: Journey to Rivendell Parker Bros. PB5950 FOUND Lost and Found Madden Football (AKA Maddenness) CBS Electronics Magnum, P.I. Studio Games Marathon Man Sega Marathon of Zenda Sega Mark of the Mole Atari EXISTS? M*A*S*H II 20th-Fox MAY EXIST Master Cylinder Spectravision SA-222 Masters of the Universe II Mattel MAY EXIST McDonald's Parker Bros. FOUND Meltdown 20th-Fox 11029 FOUND Meltdown (2600 version of 7800 title) Atari Metamorphosis Data Age Mickey and the Beanstalk Atari Mickey and the Great Outdoors Atari Micro Maestro Chalkboard Inc. Microsurgeon Imagic INTELLIVISION Midnight Rider Panda Inc. Millipede (alternate version) GCC FOUND Millipede (hard version) Dave Staugas - Atari Mind Maze Atari FOUND Mission: Impossible Sega Mission Omega CommaVid CM-010 MAY EXIST Mission X Mattel MAY EXIST Miss Piggy's Wedding Atari CX26113 FOUND Mogul Maniac (for Amiga Power Module) Amiga 3105 APM UNRELEASED Monkey Business Mattel MAY EXIST Monstercise Atari CX26131 FOUND Moon Base Technovision TVS 1010 Moon Corridors (=Computer Corridor) Mattel INTELLIVISION Motorcycle Game (title unknown) Activision MAY EXIST Motor Mouth Technovision TVS 1006 Motor Psycho (AKA Motorcycle) Atari CX26141 Mouse Highway Technovision TVS 1013 Mr. Bill's Neighborhood Data Age Mr. T Data Age Muffett Sega Music Math Chalkboard Inc. Mystic Castle M Network Nineball Zimag 8 BIT COMPUTERS Noah and the Ark Sunrise Nova Blast Imagic Number Games (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Off Your Rocker Amiga 3130 FOUND Off Your Rocker (for Amiga Power Module) 3115 APM UNRELEASED One Fish, Two Fish by Dr. Seuss Coleco Papa Smurf's Treasure Hunt Coleco Password Great Game Co. Password Plus Great Game Co. Peek-A-Boo Atari CX26137 FOUND Penetrator Avalon Hill MAY EXIST Pepper II Coleco 2655 MAY EXIST Pepsi Invaders Atari FOUND Pick Up 20th-Fox 11034 FOUND Pink Panther, The Probe 2000 EXISTS+ALIAS Pipeline Atari MAY EXIST Pizza Chef Zimag 713-111 FOUND Planet of the Apes 20th-Fox FOUND-? Planet Protector Pleiades UA Ltd. FOUND Pogoman Computer Magic Polo Atari FOUND Poltergeist Cumma Pompeii Apollo AP2011 FOUND Popeye Atari PARKER Porky's (alternate version) 20th-Fox MAY EXIST Power Lords: Quest for Vulcan Probe 2000 EXISTS Power Play Arcade 1 (multi-cart) Amiga Power Play Arcade 2 (multi-cart) Amiga Power Play Arcade 3 (multi-cart) Amiga Power Play Arcade 4 (multi-cart) Amiga Power Play Arcade 5 (multi-cart) Amiga Preppie Atari Price is Right, The Great Game Co. Protobob Spectravision SA-209 Pursuit of the Pink Panther EXISTS+ALIAS Qix Atari Quest for Inca Gold Zimag 8 BIT COMPUTERS Quest for the Idol Ultravision ALIAS? Racer Roklan EXISTS Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg) Atari MAY EXIST Rally-X Atari RealSports Basketball Atari CX2679 FOUND/PAL Real Time Chess (untitled) Atari MAY EXIST Red Sea Crossing Steve Stack, Inc. MAY EXIST Relax Synapse Rescue of Emmanuelle, The Multivision MAY EXIST Retail Demo Cartridge (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Ripley's Believe It or Not Roklan River Rat Zimag 8 BIT COMPUTERS Roaring 20s 20th-Fox ALIAS Robotron: 2084 (for The Graduate) Atari MAY EXIST Rocky & Bullwinkle Atari MATTEL Rocky & Bullwinkle Mattel 4646 FOUND Rocky Battles the Champ Coleco 2652 Rodeo Atari Romper Room #1: Do Bee's 1st Alphabet Spectravision SA-224 Romper Room #2: Countdown to Fun Spectravision SA-225 Romper Rm #3: The Str. Where You Live Spectravision SA-226 Round-Up Atari Rush Hour CommaVid CM010 FOUND Sabotage Ultravision Saboteur Atari CX26119 FOUND S.A.C. Alert Amiga EXISTS S.A.C. Alert (for Amiga Power Module) Amiga 2105 APM UNRELEASED S.A.C. Alert (for Amiga Power Module) Amiga 3135 APM UNRELEASED Safecracker Imagic Save Mary Atari CX26178 FOUND Save the Whales 20th-Fox 11035 FOUND Scavenger Hunt Amiga 2100 Scavenger Hunt (for Amiga Power Module) APM UNRELEASED Scooby Doo Atari Scooby Doo M Network Scramble GCE MILTON BRADLEY Scramble Milton Bradley 3501 Scraper Caper Tigervision 7-010 Sea Battle Mattel 5860 FOUND Secret Agent Data Age FOUND Sector Alpha Spectravision SA-220 Sewer Sam Interphase COLECOVISION Sharp Shot Mattel MAY EXIST Shooting Arcade Atari CX26169 FOUND Shoot-Out Technovision TVS 100P Silly Safari Technovision TVS 1007 Sinistar Atari CX26122 FOUND Sinistar (Lou Harp version) Atari? Six Pack 20th-Fox Sky Blazer Br0derbund MAY EXIST Sky Lancer Tigervision 7-014 Sky Patrol Imagic IA3409 FOUND Smokey Bear Data Age Smurfette's Birthday (for KidVid) Coleco Snark Atari MAY EXIST Snowplow Sunrise MAY EXIST Snow White Atari CX26107 FOUND Soap Suds First Star ALIAS Solar Defense Venture Vision MAY EXIST Solo Br0derbund MAY EXIST Spacechase (monogrammed) Apollo EXISTS Space Grid Action Hi-Tech EXISTS Space Maze Telesys Space Mines Zimag 8 BIT COMPUTERS Space Mission Atari CX2603 ALIAS+EXISTS Space Robot Ultravision DIMAX+OTHERS? Space War Ultravision 1002 COLECOVISION Speed Reading (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Spelling 1 (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Spelling Games (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Spider Kong Ultravision GOLIATH? Spinning Fireball Zimag FOUND Splendour Bomb MAY EXIST Sports Statistics (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Squish 'em Sirius (a homebrew port of this game has been released) Squoosh Apollo AP2012 FOUND Star Castle Atari CX2655 ALIAS Star Raiders II Atari CX26134 ALIAS? Star Trek GCE MILTON BRADLEY Star Trek: The Motion Picture Milton Bradley 3500 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Sega Star Trek III: The Search For Spock Sega 007-01 Star Wars: Ewok Adventure Parker Bros. PB5060 FOUND Star Wars: RotJ: Game I Parker Bros. PB5060 FOUND/ALIAS Star Wars: RotJ: Game II Parker Bros. PB5065 ALIAS Steeplechase Atari CX2614 SEARS Stellar Track Atari CX2619 SEARS Stomp It CBS Electronics Stone Age Technovision TVS1014 CCE? Strafe (for Amiga Power Module) Amiga 2115 APM UNRELEASED Street Fight Atari CX26167 Stunt Cycle Atari FOUND-? St. Valentine's Day Massacre 20th-Fox Submarine Commander Atari CX2647 SEARS Submarine Simulator (untitled) Atari MAY EXIST Subterfuge Sega ALIAS Super Crush Tigervision 7-015 Super Cycle Epyx Super Pac-Man Atari MAY EXIST Super Scramble Konami Super Soccer Atari CX26138 Super Stunt Cycle Atari Surfing (see Candyland Surfing) Surf's Up Amiga 3125 FOUND Surf's Up (for Amiga Power Module) Amiga 3110 APM UNRELEASED Surround II Atari CX26158 Survival Run Data Age (not MB) FOUND Sweat: The Decathlon Game Starpath FOUND Swim Meet (AKA Swimming Contest) Ultravision 1005 COLECOVISION Sword and the Sorceror, The Coleco 291905 Sword Fight (AKA Sword, Swordfighting)Mattel FOUND Swordquest: Airworld Atari CX2672 MAY EXIST Tachyon Beam Technovision TVS 1012 Tank Blitz Milton Bradley MAY EXIST Tank City Action Hi-Tech EXISTS Targ CBS Electronics FOUND Tarzan Coleco 2662 MAY EXIST Telepathy Atari FOUND Tempest Atari CX2687 FOUND Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The (alt.) Wizard EXISTS Thundarr the Barbarian I Xonox X404X ALIAS Thundarr the Barbarian II Xonox ? Thunderfox Atari CX26153 Thwocker Activision FOUND Tic-Tac-Dough Great Game Co. Tic-Tac-Strip Multivision Time Scape Spectravision SA-213 Touch Typing (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Trail of the Pink Panther U.S. Games EXISTS+ALIAS TRON Deadly Discs/Adventures of TRON M Network MT4609 RELEASED(seprt) Turbo Atari CX26148 DROPPED/COLECO Turbo Coleco 2455 EXISTS Twister Typo Attack (for The Graduate) Atari GRAD UNRELEASED Underworld CommaVid MAY EXIST Unexpected Dangers Ultravision 1009 COLECOVISION Unknown Activision Game #1 (SCRMNN) Activision FOUND Unknown Activision Game #2 (MM) Activision FOUND Unknown Activision Game #3 (Submarine Game) Unknown Bear Game Sega Unknown Datatech Game Datatech Unknown Universal Game Universal FOUND Up & Atom Telesys Venetian Blinds Demo Activision FOUND Vertinko Spectravision Video Fitness System Garden Vortex Spectravision Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea 20th-Fox ALIAS War of the Worlds Sega War Room Probe 2000 War Zone Action Hi-Tech EXISTS Wheel of Fortune Great Game Co. White Water Madness Atari CX26184 VAPOR Wild Western Coleco 2660 Wings CBS Electronics FOUND Wizard Atari FOUND Word Games (for Piggyback) Entex PGBK UNRELEASED Xevious Atari CX2695 FOUND XIV Winter Olympics M Network MT4324 Zaxxon Atari CX26149 COLECO Zenji Activision Zookeeper Atari CX26121 PARTS EXIST 9x Unknown Titles J.S. & A. Group, Inc. (= Joseph Sugarman and Associates) (These titles may not be originals, but merely existing titles whose rights J.S. & A. purchased to help sell their unreleased PROM Blaster copier. It's also possible that they never existed at all.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 If you have knowledge that Sewer Sam was never intended to be a VCS title, please share. Even better, would be to find the reference which erroneously reported it as planned or in production for the VCS -- but it sounds to me like this is exactly what you're wondering. AFAIK Sewer Sam was never planned for the VCS, but for the Intellivision and Colecovision. What about Blockade Runner, the other Interphase title in the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) If you have knowledge that Sewer Sam was never intended to be a VCS title, please share. Even better, would be to find the reference which erroneously reported it as planned or in production for the VCS -- but it sounds to me like this is exactly what you're wondering. I can find quite a few games that I am certain were never intended for release on the 2600. Sewer Sam being one. Unfortunately it is much harder to track down why it got on the list in the first place than finding a proto of some of the games. Edited September 29, 2010 by SpaceDice2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 If you have knowledge that Sewer Sam was never intended to be a VCS title, please share. Even better, would be to find the reference which erroneously reported it as planned or in production for the VCS -- but it sounds to me like this is exactly what you're wondering. AFAIK Sewer Sam was never planned for the VCS, but for the Intellivision and Colecovision. What about Blockade Runner, the other Interphase title in the list? Pulling off a game like Sewer Sam on the 2600 would be quite a task. Futhermore, Interphase never announced any titles for the 2600 that I know of. I don't know what the exact source of this list is, but a lot of the entries found in the DP guide and on old collecting lists from RGVC (which this list may be) are bogus. In many cases, people just assumed that because a certain game was released on various platforms that there must've/might've been a 2600 version planned for development. Zenji by Activision is a perfect example of this...no VCS version of this game was ever announced or even planned (per designer Matthew Hubbard), but the title shows up on old collecting lists regardless (and thus is included on the above list). This list above contains several errors. For one, 'The Rescue of Emmanuelle' was a planned Gamex title. You have it incorrectly marked as Multivision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Actually. And this is strange. When you Google "sewer sam atari" it does show up in Google like there is talk on that page of sewer being ported to Atari. That is the absolute first I heard of that. But, of course, the source of the page intellivision lives is messed up again w/ a db error. http://www.google.com/search?q=sewer+sam+atari This is one I still doubt and would love to see the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thegoldenband Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Actually. And this is strange. When you Google "sewer sam atari" it does show up in Google like there is talk on that page of sewer being ported to Atari. That is the absolute first I heard of that. But, of course, the source of the page intellivision lives is messed up again w/ a db error. http://www.google.com/search?q=sewer+sam+atari This is one I still doubt and would love to see the source. The Google cache works, and the page says of both Interphase titles (Blockade Runner and Sewer Sam) that "Advertised versions for Atari and Commodore 64 were not released." On the page, there's also a lo-res scan of an Interphase magazine ad; it's hard to make out the fine print, but the large print at the bottom definitely says "Coming Soon; ColecoVision, Commodore 64 and Atari!" (as well as saying it's "now available for Intellivision"). However, it doesn't specify the Atari 2600/VCS, so it could be the 8-bit or 5200 for all I/we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) I got Google's cached version of that Intellivision Lives page to load. Its wording is deceptive, and the advertisement shown as well as the page itself, probably are the sources of the misinformation in this list regarding Interphase. The webpage says of both games that, "Advertised versions for Atari and Commodore 64 were not released." Note that "Atari" could easily be misconstrued as the VCS, while by way of juxtaposition with the C-64 here, and even more clearly in the ad, where "Atari" follows "Commodore 64", it most likely refers instead to the 8-bit computer systems. Edited September 29, 2010 by A.J. Franzman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I don't know what the exact source of this list is, but a lot of the entries found in the DP guide and on old collecting lists from RGVC (which this list may be) are bogus. In many cases, people just assumed that because a certain game was released on various platforms that there must've/might've been a 2600 version planned for development. Zenji by Activision is a perfect example of this...no VCS version of this game was ever announced or even planned (per designer Matthew Hubbard), but the title shows up on old collecting lists regardless (and thus is included on the above list). OK, so what was the primary platform intended for Zenji's release? This list above contains several errors. For one, 'The Rescue of Emmanuelle' was a planned Gamex title. You have it incorrectly marked as Multivision. Not my error, but please continue. I'm not actively researching this stuff; only feedback from members like you can make this list as accurate as possible. What else is wrong with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 OK, so what was the primary platform intended for Zenji's release? Zenji was an original title for the Atari home computers. As Matthew Hubbard stated in this interview... "I started Zenji on the 400/800. It was not planned to be a 2600 game, and I never worked on any port of it to any other system. All the ports were done by others." What else is wrong with it? I'll look through the whole thing tomorrow and make note of any errors I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I got Google's cached version of that Intellivision Lives page to load. Its wording is deceptive, and the advertisement shown as well as the page itself, probably are the sources of the misinformation in this list regarding Interphase. The webpage says of both games that, "Advertised versions for Atari and Commodore 64 were not released." Note that "Atari" could easily be misconstrued as the VCS, while by way of juxtaposition with the C-64 here, and even more clearly in the ad, where "Atari" follows "Commodore 64", it most likely refers instead to the 8-bit computer systems. It was my understanding that Interphase did plan on releasing games for Atari and Commodore computers, but not the VCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I guess one question I have is what is the criteria for being listed on the list. There was a lot of hot air from many of the companies at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Franzman Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) Any software that a consumer might have been reasonably led to believe was due to be released for the VCS during its originally supported timeframe (1977-1992) is fair game. I'm also including games and applications that were programmed during that time, which almost no one knew about, that have subsequently been discovered. Only those that actually saw wide release under their announced title, by the company that announced them, are ineligible. Defining exactly what constitutes "wide release" is somewhat problematic. I include in that category the Atari-Club-only releases. But I'm not counting Dukes of Hazzard as a wide release (even though it was reportedly made available [how?] to some people in very limited quantity), so it gets to stay in the list. Pepsi Invaders is a similar story. I'm thinking Air Raid should probably be eligible as well. Opinions? Edited September 30, 2010 by A.J. Franzman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thegoldenband Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 If you do decide to remove entries from the main list, like Blockade Runner/Sewer Sam, it'd be good to maintain an addendum that includes them -- ideally with explanations. (The best thing of all would be to have a Wikipedia-style sortable table, but I know that's a big ask.) Also, totally OT, but these lists are showing up in all kinds of funky colors on my machine. Mostly it switches between purple and green every time there's an apostrophe. Is it just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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