New Skunkboard on the way?

[+CyranoJ]

Both devices use similar technology and will have similar incompatibilities.

 

While that is true due to the 32 bit/16 bit nature of "real" carts and the flashboards, the Jagware board supports the EEPROM and thus will have a higher compatibility rating (Given that the ones that fail due to 32 bit mode won't work anyway)

 

I certainly won't be giving up my Skunkboard for development tho

Edited September 29, 2010 by CyranoJ

[carmel_andrews]

What are the differences between this new version and previous versions and what new features/addons in this version are not in previous versions

Edited September 29, 2010 by carmel_andrews

[coyo5050]

A year ago I never thought I would see a 3rd run. Tempted to get a second considering what I had to pay to get my first.

[the.golden.ax]

Post some pics of the box and III when you get a chance Dan. I'm excited to see it, even if I can't get in on it this time (unless there are plenty to go around).

 

AX

[goatdan]

What are the differences between this new version and previous versions and what new features/addons in this version are not in previous versions

 

There is a known, but rather minor issue in the earlier versions that can cause the SkunkBoard to burn out the Flash rom under very certain circumstances. Beyond that, there are no other *major* differences between this version and previous versions. We're working on making some additional what I would call minor upgrades, but essentially, expect this new version to work the same as the last version. I guess the other add on would be a Jaguar-esque box and manual will also be included. But, it's already a great tool, so why mess with success?

[goatdan]

Post some pics of the box and III when you get a chance Dan. I'm excited to see it, even if I can't get in on it this time (unless there are plenty to go around).

 

We won't have a picture of the actual board until right before the release occurs, as we won't have them until then. We'll have a box design sooner, although I don't know exactly when that will happen. And, we are hoping to have enough to go around. The goal is to basically double the run of pre-orders, so hopefully we'll have a bunch of these on hand and they won't sell out for a while.

[busterm]

One final question before I submit my preorder's will the firmware on this one be the same as the Rev2 ( same function/features)

[carmel_andrews]

I seem to recall the page in the first link saying something about USB, does that mean you can attach a usb type cd drive or dvd drive so as to running jag cd games (which would be nice considering the limited no. of jag cd hardware in circulation)

Edited September 29, 2010 by carmel_andrews

[+CyranoJ]

I seem to recall the page in the first link saying something about USB, does that mean you can attach a usb type cd drive or dvd drive so as to running jag cd games (which would be nice considering the limited no. of jag cd hardware in circulation)

 

Yes, Carmel. You can attatch any USB device you own from a mobile phone, to a printer or scanner right up to a laptop keyboard light - the USB port is a fairly universal design (including the various adapters for different sizes).

 

The device won't work tho.

[RAGINxxXxxCAJUN]

I will be making a pre order this Monday.

[Crazy Climber]

Probably wouldn't hurt to put something about this pre-order in the Marketplace also since many people (myself included) don't always read the Jaguar forum areas that often

[goatdan]

One final question before I submit my preorder's will the firmware on this one be the same as the Rev2 ( same function/features)

 

*Mostly*. Essentially, the difference between Skunkboard 2 and Skunkboard 3 is the removal of the high voltage programming line, which caused hardware problems on some people's systems. Unfortunately, this stability results in a lower programming speed when transferring stuff to the board, although in the real world is is practically nothing. And, ultimately, we expect it to remove or reduce the hardware problems altogether, making a more stable end product for people to have and use.

 

The difference from what we've seen so far (I believe), if you are uploading a file that is the full 8MB to the cart, would be somewhere in the neighborhood of the SkunkBoard needing an additional 20 or so seconds to complete it. For the added stability, we figured this was a fair price to pay. Besides that, most new developments (or even original ones for that matter) that people have are no where near the 8MB file size, and the SkunkBoard 3 will take a completely negligible additional amount of time to upload the new file.

 

Beyond that, the plan is to make them the same. So, slight downtick in speed, slight uptick in reliability.

[Zerosquare]

Yes, Carmel. You can attatch any USB device you own from a mobile phone, to a printer or scanner right up to a laptop keyboard light - the USB port is a fairly universal design (including the various adapters for different sizes).

 

The device won't work tho.

Don't be so negative, the keyboard light will most likely work just fine

[goatdan]

Yes, Carmel. You can attatch any USB device you own from a mobile phone, to a printer or scanner right up to a laptop keyboard light - the USB port is a fairly universal design (including the various adapters for different sizes).

 

The device won't work tho.

Don't be so negative, the keyboard light will most likely work just fine

 

No *that* is an upgrade we should look at doing! You put a battery on the cart, and it can power a keyboard light!

 

(Note: We are NOT doing this upgrade.)

[Dan Iacovelli]

quick question:

what type of usb connection is needed for skunk?

I have a standard usb2 cables at home are those good.

the reason why I asked this because when I got harmony cart(which is the 2600 version skunk, and it's really

really great to have if your homebrewer like me to test games on actual systems(I have two more 2600 games being planned btw))

I saw it uses a mini usb, which I thought I had,but it turns out I have a usb1 micro so as of now I can't upgrade my software on the cart until

I find time to get one.

so when I geta skunk I will know what to use to d/l games to the skunk.

I've already got a bjl cart when I got protector SE, haven't had time to work it though.

Also, instead of doing pre-order payments, have you thought of a waiting list.this will also give you a good number of who wants one

and you can always set up payments later. it worked for harmony carts just ask batari (it also worked for my laserman games)

(I don't have plans to program on the jaguar just let,but maybe laserman will resurface on the jag after a few years the 2600 versions die down)

[Zerosquare]

Unless the USB ports' 5 V line is switched instead of connected directly to the Jag's 5 V line, I'm pretty sure keyboard lights and other devices that use USB for power only should work fine on existing Skunkboards (as long as you don't exceed the maximum current that can be supplied)

[+orpheuswaking]

I seem to recall the page in the first link saying something about USB, does that mean you can attach a usb type cd drive or dvd drive so as to running jag cd games (which would be nice considering the limited no. of jag cd hardware in circulation)

 

Yes, Carmel. You can attatch any USB device you own from a mobile phone, to a printer or scanner right up to a laptop keyboard light - the USB port is a fairly universal design (including the various adapters for different sizes).

 

The device won't work tho.

 

Sigh, Once again Carmel can't read... On page 3 of the manual (http://www.harmlessl...d%20Manual.pdf) it states

USB Mini-B device connector for communication with PC

Two USB Type A host connectors for future use. Note that at this time there are no plans in place to develop these ports.

Edited September 29, 2010 by orpheuswaking

[Dan Iacovelli]

I seem to recall the page in the first link saying something about USB, does that mean you can attach a usb type cd drive or dvd drive so as to running jag cd games (which would be nice considering the limited no. of jag cd hardware in circulation)

 

Yes, Carmel. You can attatch any USB device you own from a mobile phone, to a printer or scanner right up to a laptop keyboard light - the USB port is a fairly universal design (including the various adapters for different sizes).

 

The device won't work tho.

 

Sigh, Once again Carmel can't read... On page 3 of the manual (http://www.harmlessl...d%20Manual.pdf) it states

USB Mini-B device connector for communication with PC

– Two USB Type A host connectors for future use. Note that at this time there are no plans in place to develop these ports.

 

thanks that just answered my question as well. so I guess I will have to get a mini usb- b connector then before I get a skunk.

all I have is the standard ones. unless dan is willing to add a usb cable to the package. other wise the skunk will be useless to me if I have no way to load games on

to it.

[kskunk]

Unless the USB ports' 5 V line is switched instead of connected directly to the Jag's 5 V line, I'm pretty sure keyboard lights and other devices that use USB for power only should work fine on existing Skunkboards (as long as you don't exceed the maximum current that can be supplied)

That's correct. They are wired up to 5V power, but to protect the Jaguar's power supply, they have a 100mA current limit, and a FET that turns off power if this is exceeded.

 

So it may not be the best place to charge your iPhone!

 

- KS

[the.golden.ax]

Unless the USB ports' 5 V line is switched instead of connected directly to the Jag's 5 V line, I'm pretty sure keyboard lights and other devices that use USB for power only should work fine on existing Skunkboards (as long as you don't exceed the maximum current that can be supplied)

That's correct. They are wired up to 5V power, but to protect the Jaguar's power supply, they have a 100mA current limit, and a FET that turns off power if this is exceeded.

 

So it may not be the best place to charge your iPhone!

 

- KS

 

For those who really enjoy Jaguar...

 

 

[busterm]

Unless the USB ports' 5 V line is switched instead of connected directly to the Jag's 5 V line, I'm pretty sure keyboard lights and other devices that use USB for power only should work fine on existing Skunkboards (as long as you don't exceed the maximum current that can be supplied)

That's correct. They are wired up to 5V power, but to protect the Jaguar's power supply, they have a 100mA current limit, and a FET that turns off power if this is exceeded.

 

So it may not be the best place to charge your iPhone!

 

- KS

 

For those who really enjoy Jaguar...

 

 

 

 

Take a list of all users who attach that to there Jaguar as a do not buy second hand games from list with out proper sanitation =P

[goatdan]

unless dan is willing to add a usb cable to the package.

 

Unless the final quote comes in well above what is expected, we are planning on including a cheap USB cable with the package

[busterm]

unless dan is willing to add a usb cable to the package.

 

Unless the final quote comes in well above what is expected, we are planning on including a cheap USB cable with the package

 

 

Is there any way you would be willing to list the actual #'s you need to start production and how far you are away from it. Some user might be enticed to buy or those who purchased to pick up a second if we knew how close or not you were to the goal.

[Dan Iacovelli]

unless dan is willing to add a usb cable to the package.

 

Unless the final quote comes in well above what is expected, we are planning on including a cheap USB cable with the package

well in that case I will make sure my pre-order will be in before the deadline, money is tied up in other stuff now

as well being tight on cash, but I can be sure to have it in by december.

the harmony cart did come with a usb,but that for the full package, with sd card and usb (at 75.00,I went with the basic just the cart and instructions)

have GSP thought of getting the rights to sell those.

[goatdan]

Is there any way you would be willing to list the actual #'s you need to start production and how far you are away from it. Some user might be enticed to buy or those who purchased to pick up a second if we knew how close or not you were to the goal.

 

Let's put it this way -- The big thing is that we're trying to gauge demand the best that we can. The second batch of these was about 100 (take away a few random ones that didn't work from the factory) and they sold out almost immediately. I've seen those sell for $250+ since that point. We don't know if there is a need for 25, 50, 100, or 1000 of these. We're going to let the presale go until December 1st, and we're going to put them into production close to that date based on how many pre-orders we have because with the price they cost, we can't sit on an inventory of 50 of these, but we also don't want to run out.

 

As of right now, we're about 20 purchases away from hitting the first major tier. If we reach that and surpass it, the next level is about 17 more. 100 is really the magic number, as that is where the cost for these really comes in line with where we priced them. If we can't make at least 100, the post-December 1st price point is probably going to have to rise significantly ($20ish) to cover DOAs and stuff like that. If we can make 100, the price break is good, and we're hoping to make the post December 1st price rise only a very minor amount.

 

Hopefully, that makes sense.