school_girl_in_a_short_dress Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You have no idea what I paid for any item, to assume you do shows your ignorance. Please buy more rare games and sell them at a loss, we all woukd be happier. Not just games you happen to acquire, but all games. Please buy more! ,..Yes, I would buy some of those games as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Not game related but a former cooworker sold printed index cards with images of large screen TVs. eBay couldn't do anything because he explicitly stated they were just printed cards.. Still, suckers would buy a few cents of paper and ink for large sums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Of course, but as I pointed out above, that's not the point of this thread. This is literally a thread dedicated to poking fun at outrageous prices, crazy sellers and all sorts of other Ebay madness.... ....I personally think they raise prices for everyone and hurt our hobby and since the point of this thread is to be able to discuss that very conduct, perhaps you should go elsewhere on the forum if discussion along those lines offends you. Actually the purpose of this thread was to have a light hearted and humorous discussion about funny/ stupid/ crazy/ lame (or all of the above) auction listings. So far we have filled 13 pages. Whilst you can do as you please - I can't dictate what you can and can't do here - but I do think you need to take a chill pill or start your own thread rant about 'flippers' elsewhere. Edited November 13, 2012 by nofrills100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojay1997 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You have no idea what I paid for any item, to assume you do shows your ignorance. Please buy more rare games and sell them at a loss, we all woukd be happier. Not just games you happen to acquire, but all games. Please buy more! Really? You aren't the same Atari181 who won the Polaris cartridge and box on Ebay from the seller for $125? The same one she paid $40 to obtain two days before? It's weird that the buyer uses your same name. But, I guess in your mind spending five seconds to buy something on Ebay and simply posting the same item using the same photo even before the buyer/seller has it in hand with a BIN and reselling it for an $85 markup is cool. I guess I have spent the last 20 years collecting and helping other collectors build their collections in vain since it's really all about making no effort and making maximum profit in the hobby, right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
school_girl_in_a_short_dress Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Really? You aren't the same Atari181 who won the Polaris cartridge and box on Ebay from the seller for $125? The same one she paid $40 to obtain two days before? It's weird that the buyer uses your same name. But, I guess in your mind spending five seconds to buy something on Ebay and simply posting the same item using the same photo even before the buyer/seller has it in hand with a BIN and reselling it for an $85 markup is cool. I guess I have spent the last 20 years collecting and helping other collectors build their collections in vain since it's really all about making no effort and making maximum profit in the hobby, right? So MaYbE yOu CaN hElP mE bUiLd A RaRe AtArI cOlLeCtIoN fOr ChEaP, SiNcE yOu'Re SuCh A NiCe GuY, Or So YoU sAy...WhAt Do YoU sAy SiR?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nukeshed Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 So MaYbE yOu CaN hElP mE bUiLd A RaRe AtArI cOlLeCtIoN fOr ChEaP, SiNcE yOu'Re SuCh A NiCe GuY, Or So YoU sAy...WhAt Do YoU sAy SiR?? I am a real outsider to these sort of things, but, really? Alternating caps? I think you need to go back to your flipping hobby (Which, I find no fault with, for what it's worth ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purduecrum Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Am I the only one that first thought the game was on some pretty nasty carpet? eBay Auction -- Item Number: 380515232498 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nukeshed Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Am I the only one that first thought the game was on some pretty nasty carpet? eBay Auction -- Item Number: 380515232498 Not too many carpets reflect light like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Really? You aren't the same Atari181 who won the Polaris cartridge and box on Ebay from the seller for $125? The same one she paid $40 to obtain two days before? It's weird that the buyer uses your same name. But, I guess in your mind spending five seconds to buy something on Ebay and simply posting the same item using the same photo even before the buyer/seller has it in hand with a BIN and reselling it for an $85 markup is cool. I guess I have spent the last 20 years collecting and helping other collectors build their collections in vain since it's really all about making no effort and making maximum profit in the hobby, right? This will be my last post. Yes I am one in the same. The game was part of a multiple cart deal with games off and on EBay. I didn't pay $125, but really it's none of your business what I paid, because I was happy with what I paid. So why the fuck should you care? You are obviously a stubborn Donkey who can't listen to reason. Buy or dont buy, that's up to you, I know how to set a search and alerts on EBay, most idiots do. I happen to work at a job that is way more important and I'm not able to stop and check Ebay to try to get a deal. You are talking about something that is not a need, She hasnt bought up all the housing in your area and raised the rent, she hasnt bought all the gasoline in your area a d raised the price, she hasnt bought all the groceries in your area and raped you on price. she bought a game and obviously priced it out of the range you can afford or are willing to pay. So what! You have no Idea what the reseller is doing, it may be there job. While you are at your job getting yelled at because the Mcdouble isn't in the window, She is scanning Ebay to buy and sell items to pay her bills. You don't know and have no right to judge anyone. Maybe you would be much more suited to living in Cuba or Russia and have the prices controlled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 While you are at your job getting yelled at because the Mcdouble isn't in the window.... Nothing personal to Bojay from me... but damn that line made me laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojay1997 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 This will be my last post. Yes I am one in the same. The game was part of a multiple cart deal with games off and on EBay. I didn't pay $125, but really it's none of your business what I paid, because I was happy with what I paid. So why the fuck should you care? You are obviously a stubborn Donkey who can't listen to reason. Buy or dont buy, that's up to you, I know how to set a search and alerts on EBay, most idiots do. I happen to work at a job that is way more important and I'm not able to stop and check Ebay to try to get a deal. You are talking about something that is not a need, She hasnt bought up all the housing in your area and raised the rent, she hasnt bought all the gasoline in your area a d raised the price, she hasnt bought all the groceries in your area and raped you on price. she bought a game and obviously priced it out of the range you can afford or are willing to pay. So what! You have no Idea what the reseller is doing, it may be there job. While you are at your job getting yelled at because the Mcdouble isn't in the window, She is scanning Ebay to buy and sell items to pay her bills. You don't know and have no right to judge anyone. Maybe you would be much more suited to living in Cuba or Russia and have the prices controlled. I'm not sure why, if you're so sure that what she is doing is ok, and that what you paid is fair, you are resorting to insults about my job (I've never worked fast food and haven't had a minimum wage job since I was a teenager, but I have a great deal of respect for people who have and do) and accusations of socialism or communism. I have worked very hard in my life just like most of the collectors here. I worked and paid my way through college and two graduate schools and I started several small businesses along the way. As a result, I am able to own a smarphone and install the free Ebay application. One would assume if you can spend hundreds of dollars on Atari games that you probably have enough disposable income to do the same. I am all for capitalism, but there is a difference between everything goes and a fair and reasonable marketplace. Just because someone is also a collector or may have a financial need doesn't justify every form of price gouging or exploitation of fellow collectors. If you disagree, that's fine and nobody is placing her in the bad seller thread or anything of that nature. As I have said repeatedly, this is a thread about auctions some people consider funny, stupid, crazy or lame. I think the Polaris auction referenced is several of those things. You're free to disagree, but this is obviously very personal for you because I would assume you are embarassed at overpaying for the item. I'm sorry that you feel embarassed, but all of us are entitled to our opinions and on the issue of flippers, it is clear that we just have a fundamental disagreement which can't be resolved by further arguments by either of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
school_girl_in_a_short_dress Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Nothing personal to Bojay from me... but damn that line made me laugh! Can I please have small fries with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Bill Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Can I please have small fries with that? Really? What are we 13? How was school today young lady? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
school_girl_in_a_short_dress Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I'm not sure why, if you're so sure that what she is doing is ok, and that what you paid is fair, you are resorting to insults about my job (I've never worked fast food and haven't had a minimum wage job since I was a teenager, but I have a great deal of respect for people who have and do) and accusations of socialism or communism. I have worked very hard in my life just like most of the collectors here. I worked and paid my way through college and two graduate schools and I started several small businesses along the way. As a result, I am able to own a smarphone and install the free Ebay application. One would assume if you can spend hundreds of dollars on Atari games that you probably have enough disposable income to do the same. I am all for capitalism, but there is a difference between everything goes and a fair and reasonable marketplace. Just because someone is also a collector or may have a financial need doesn't justify every form of price gouging or exploitation of fellow collectors. If you disagree, that's fine and nobody is placing her in the bad seller thread or anything of that nature. As I have said repeatedly, this is a thread about auctions some people consider funny, stupid, crazy or lame. I think the Polaris auction referenced is several of those things. You're free to disagree, but this is obviously very personal for you because I would assume you are embarassed at overpaying for the item. I'm sorry that you feel embarassed, but all of us are entitled to our opinions and on the issue of flippers, it is clear that we just have a fundamental disagreement which can't be resolved by further arguments by either of us. I seriously think that you have waaaaaay too much free time, and maybe you should consider finding a part time job, just so you can take your mind off other peoples business,..Have a great day,.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
school_girl_in_a_short_dress Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 If you won this ebay auction eBay Auction -- Item Number: 290793304057 , how much would you sell it for guys?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marillion Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I wouldn't. I'd keep it, because that's one I don't have. The only boxed game I'd sell if I found it would be Air Raid. Can't argue with the good things that extra cash would bring my life. Peace, Chip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobidy Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 A very interesting topic indeed! No one should be slighted by school girl's business practices. In a free market there is no rule that you can or cannot buy and resell. I have done so many times, although not on eBay. I have bought, traded and resold many collectibles starting with toys and comics, then onto animation art and videogames for almost 20 years. I prefer to let the market make its price, be it auction or offers. But this is a hobby to me not my job (as it is for most here). I enjoy finding items for my own collection and selling off what I am not interested in to feed the collection. The unfortunate thing is speculators come in to the hobby and drive prices through the roof, take sports cards and comics for example. Those markets have been decimated, companies and stores bankrupt....yet the prices still go up as collectors and speculators try and hold on to their investments. At one point in the late 90's I bought comics by the pound, not for the art or content. Hell, I didn't even read them. Animation art is another example....for years you could sell any piece at a premium. Now the market is flooded with tons of artwork at a fraction of what they used to be. Good for my collection as I can now pick and choose, not so good as an investment. Ebay is the worst example of speculators trying to push their stock, be it sealed graded videogames or insanely overpriced items. The "LOOK AT ME" overpriced buy-it-now items supposedly made to drive traffic serve no one. At some point speculators will drive the collectors out of the hobby. Buy it or don't.....or wait for a better price. Even better.....buy a Harmony cart and play ALL of the games! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulBlazer Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 A very interesting topic indeed! No one should be slighted by school girl's business practices. In a free market there is no rule that you can or cannot buy and resell. I have done so many times, although not on eBay. I have bought, traded and resold many collectibles starting with toys and comics, then onto animation art and videogames for almost 20 years. I prefer to let the market make its price, be it auction or offers. But this is a hobby to me not my job (as it is for most here). I enjoy finding items for my own collection and selling off what I am not interested in to feed the collection. The unfortunate thing is speculators come in to the hobby and drive prices through the roof, take sports cards and comics for example. Those markets have been decimated, companies and stores bankrupt....yet the prices still go up as collectors and speculators try and hold on to their investments. At one point in the late 90's I bought comics by the pound, not for the art or content. Hell, I didn't even read them. Animation art is another example....for years you could sell any piece at a premium. Now the market is flooded with tons of artwork at a fraction of what they used to be. Good for my collection as I can now pick and choose, not so good as an investment. Ebay is the worst example of speculators trying to push their stock, be it sealed graded videogames or insanely overpriced items. The "LOOK AT ME" overpriced buy-it-now items supposedly made to drive traffic serve no one. At some point speculators will drive the collectors out of the hobby. Buy it or don't.....or wait for a better price. Even better.....buy a Harmony cart and play ALL of the games! Well said, Sir. It's reasons like this that I'm a gamer and not a collector. Well, that, and my tiny bank account. I have no problem with what school girl is doing. It's called supply and demand, folks. If no one wants to buy at that price, she lowers the price. Simple. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobidy Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Vomit-inducing insanity! How are you supposed to play it??? eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320998916781 We used to have a drinking game based on playing Empire.....can't recall the exact rules so I guess it was successful. Edited November 16, 2012 by dobidy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cvga Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Vomit-inducing insanity! How are you supposed to play it??? Easy, buy them both. One to save and one to open and play. He clearly states that he has two of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 Monkey see http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?ff3=4&pub=5574883395&toolid=10001&campid=5336500554&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fitm%2FFrogger-atari-2600-%2F181028945856%3Fpt%3DAU_PC_Video_Games_Games%26hash%3Ditem2a262a7fc0 Frogger $75 Monkey do http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?ff3=4&pub=5574883395&toolid=10001&campid=5336500554&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fitm%2FFrogger-Atari-2600-Game-Cartridge-Boxed-With-Manual-%2F160925778054%3Fpt%3DAU_PC_Video_Games_Games%26hash%3Ditem2577ec8086 Frogger $80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purduecrum Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I guess I really started my auction too low: eBay Auction -- Item Number: 170945569309 No box or manual (or manuel either). Blatant plug for my common 2600 carts on eBay: eBay Seller: wcrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennybingo Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I am all for capitalism, but there is a difference between everything goes and a fair and reasonable marketplace. Nope...in a free market system, pretty much everything goes. Monopolies are not allowed...that is one of the very few exceptions, but that doesn't apply here. It is up to the buyer to determine if a product is a necessity to them or not. Another friendly word of advice...if you are relying on eBay to find low priced, highly sought after games like the ones SGIASD is selling, you are gonna have to put in a lot more time at the keyboard. eBay is pretty much the last place I go to find deals. I only go there if I have already resigned myself to paying a premium for something, as eBay prices are ridiculous. The prices aren't due to one particular seller flipping...the prices aren't due to lots of flippers....It is because the selling prices are what the market will currently bear...period. The real people to blame for the inflated eBay prices are all of the uneducated buyers who pay too much for things on eBay. Buyer beware folks...buyer beware. Personally, I think SGIASD has fairly decent prices for the most part. Usually, the prices are well within the range of what I would consider to be reasonable...especially with what is on eBay these days. I always factor in what I call the "eBay tax"...it is the additional price I pay, to not have to go hunt for something in the wild. When I want something "right now", and I have the means to buy it, I will go to eBay and get it. For that, I have to pay a premium...and I don't loose sleep at night worrying about how much the seller paid for it originally. In the end, it is what I was willing to pay for the game, and that's all that maters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojay1997 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Nope...in a free market system, pretty much everything goes. Monopolies are not allowed...that is one of the very few exceptions, but that doesn't apply here. It is up to the buyer to determine if a product is a necessity to them or not. Another friendly word of advice...if you are relying on eBay to find low priced, highly sought after games like the ones SGIASD is selling, you are gonna have to put in a lot more time at the keyboard. eBay is pretty much the last place I go to find deals. I only go there if I have already resigned myself to paying a premium for something, as eBay prices are ridiculous. The prices aren't due to one particular seller flipping...the prices aren't due to lots of flippers....It is because the selling prices are what the market will currently bear...period. The real people to blame for the inflated eBay prices are all of the uneducated buyers who pay too much for things on eBay. Buyer beware folks...buyer beware. Personally, I think SGIASD has fairly decent prices for the most part. Usually, the prices are well within the range of what I would consider to be reasonable...especially with what is on eBay these days. I always factor in what I call the "eBay tax"...it is the additional price I pay, to not have to go hunt for something in the wild. When I want something "right now", and I have the means to buy it, I will go to eBay and get it. For that, I have to pay a premium...and I don't loose sleep at night worrying about how much the seller paid for it originally. In the end, it is what I was willing to pay for the game, and that's all that maters. I have to disagree with you on several points. Capitalism in the United States has a number of limits and regulatory restrictions which make it operate in a somewhat more balanced manner. For example, there are rigorous fraud protections under state and Federal law (including postal and advertising fraud regulations), business licensing requirements in many jurisdictions, taxation, etc....It's pretty far from "anything goes". I don't rely on Ebay for anything, but I regularly find bargains there and on other websites. The point is, there is no benefit to having someone sitting on Ebay scooping up the same items all of us would buy directly and then relisting those same items at inflated prices. Is there anything illegal or fraudulent or even immoral about it? Of course not, but that's not the point. The point is, this flipper and many more like her take items that could be had for bargain prices away from collectors and deprive the original seller of the benefit of the actual fair market value of the item and also cost collectors more money. While I would agree with you on the "Ebay tax", that doesn't apply here. This flipper has not gone out and found things that you either didn't have the time or ability to find in your local area. All of us have access to Ebay. She is essentially someone who has swooped into your local swap meet five minutes before you got there, bought up a bargain and then stood there waiting for you to come along and charge you three times what she paid. In fact, continuing the analogy, she hasn't even bothered to remove the item from the original seller's booth, as she couldn't even be bothered to take her own picture of the item she flipped and didn't even wait until she had it in hand to resell it. Again, is it illegal, fraudulent or immoral? No, but it doesn't mean we should be applauding or supporting her practices. Finally, I think you seriously underestimate how many flippers are out there. While it's less prominent in the Atari 2600 market, it is a very significant issue in NES collecting and I'm seeing it more and more in classic computer software collecting. It's resulting in significant price spikes as supply is being artificially constricted by flippers grabbing multiple copies of the same item over a period of time inflating the pricing on the item as they become the only seller with the item or as you stated, a "monopoly".. Edited November 19, 2012 by bojay1997 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennybingo Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I have to disagree with you on several points. Capitalism in the United States has a number of limits and regulatory restrictions which make it operate in a somewhat more balanced manner. For example, there are rigorous fraud protections under state and Federal law (including postal and advertising fraud regulations), business licensing requirements in many jurisdictions, taxation, etc....It's pretty far from "anything goes". I don't rely on Ebay for anything, but I regularly find bargains there and on other websites. The point is, there is no benefit to having someone sitting on Ebay scooping up the same items all of us would buy directly and then relisting those same items at inflated prices. Is there anything illegal or fraudulent or even immoral about it? Of course not, but that's not the point. The point is, this flipper and many more like her take items that could be had for bargain prices away from collectors and deprive the original seller of the benefit of the actual fair market value of the item and also cost collectors more money. While I would agree with you on the "Ebay tax", that doesn't apply here. This flipper has not gone out and found things that you either didn't have the time or ability to find in your local area. All of us have access to Ebay. She is essentially someone who has swooped into your local swap meet five minutes before you got there, bought up a bargain and then stood there waiting for you to come along and charge you three times what she paid. In fact, continuing the analogy, she hasn't even bothered to remove the item from the original seller's booth, as she couldn't even be bothered to take her own picture of the item she flipped and didn't even wait until she had it in hand to resell it. Again, is it illegal, fraudulent or immoral? No, but it doesn't mean we should be applauding or supporting her practices. Finally, I think you seriously underestimate how many flippers are out there. While it's less prominent in the Atari 2600 market, it is a very significant issue in NES collecting and I'm seeing it more and more in classic computer software collecting. It's resulting in significant price spikes as supply is being artificially constricted by flippers grabbing multiple copies of the same item over a period of time inflating the pricing on the item as they become the only seller with the item or as you stated, a "monopoly".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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