moycon Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Good, bad or indifferent, Sony is pretty well borked. They may have hundreds of modular programmers working to secure their console. But there are thousands of eager non-Sony users with the skills to manipulate the PS3 to their liking. Sony will make a change, and within a few hours to days, it will be fixed by the users. That's why it wouldn't surprise me if Sony dumps the PS3, they said it would have a 10 year life span, but I'll bet they didn't plan on this nonsense. Like the Dreamcast, dead before it's time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Good, bad or indifferent, Sony is pretty well borked. They may have hundreds of modular programmers working to secure their console. But there are thousands of eager non-Sony users with the skills to manipulate the PS3 to their liking. Sony will make a change, and within a few hours to days, it will be fixed by the users. Firmware updates are futile, silly and dangerous, but I'm not sure it's such a bad spot Sony is in. From what I've heard they can detect a lot of the 3.55fw activity on PSN, and if they manage to ban improper PSN usage, they could make out fine. I haven't heard of any recent bannings though, and I do really wonder what is taking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Good, bad or indifferent, Sony is pretty well borked. They may have hundreds of modular programmers working to secure their console. But there are thousands of eager non-Sony users with the skills to manipulate the PS3 to their liking. Sony will make a change, and within a few hours to days, it will be fixed by the users. Firmware updates are futile, silly and dangerous, but I'm not sure it's such a bad spot Sony is in. From what I've heard they can detect a lot of the 3.55fw activity on PSN, and if they manage to ban improper PSN usage, they could make out fine. I haven't heard of any recent bannings though, and I do really wonder what is taking them. There are tools now out there that allow PSN access from CFW consoles, that also spoof/mask your console Id, so they can't ban you. It's the dog chasing it's proverbial tail at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchy Koala Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Good, bad or indifferent, Sony is pretty well borked. They may have hundreds of modular programmers working to secure their console. But there are thousands of eager non-Sony users with the skills to manipulate the PS3 to their liking. Sony will make a change, and within a few hours to days, it will be fixed by the users. That's why it wouldn't surprise me if Sony dumps the PS3, they said it would have a 10 year life span, but I'll bet they didn't plan on this nonsense. Like the Dreamcast, dead before it's time. If they dump the ps3, I wouldn't mind seeing this concept. Controller is a little ugly though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatohead Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I don't think they will dump it just yet. Might bring on PS4 on a more rapid schedule. You know that's gonna happen. Will be interesting too. Since they clearly are not gonna hire geohot, will they get the next one more right? The fact that Linux was made somewhat available helped a lot. People could put the machines to use in lots of fun ways, getting a lot out of the hardware. With that gone, well here we are. Wonder whether or not they will see that for what it was, or if they will just go completely the other way and make the thing toxic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Even if they did decide to dump it or push the next version out the door, is it really that strange? The Ps1 came out in 1995. The PS2 came out in 2000. The PS3 came out in 2006. At this point, it's already late, going by their previous release schedules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Yeah but Sony taking metldr out of the loop may hinder things.. especially if they actually ADD some features to future firmwares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yeah but Sony taking metldr out of the loop may hinder things.. especially if they actually ADD some features to future firmwares. Add? They can do that?!?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatohead Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Absolutely they can. IMHO, that's a best case move for SONY. If "the cat" makes a lot of wild moves, "the mouse" has a lot of work to do. And SONY is operating with full development notes on the software, while "the mice" are having to operate on what they have learned so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Absolutely they can. IMHO, that's a best case move for SONY. If "the cat" makes a lot of wild moves, "the mouse" has a lot of work to do. And SONY is operating with full development notes on the software, while "the mice" are having to operate on what they have learned so far. I'm sure you realize I was being more sarcastic than serious. The point however being that by and large Sony has done nothing but remove stuff from their console that "only does everything" for the last several years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yeah but Sony taking metldr out of the loop may hinder things.. especially if they actually ADD some features to future firmwares. Add? They can do that?!?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatohead Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) SONY playing legal games to go fishing on Holz encrypted hard drive. Holz willing to help discovery by written deposition, also willing to allow a unmodified copy of his hard drive, with the provision that his original remain unchanged. Claims "groundbreaking research on HSA-1 hash function. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110318002906904 I started following some legal issues related to technology, society and the law on Groklaw when it started to basically document the SCO trial. If you are interested in what actually happens between SONY and Holz, book mark it. That's where the goods will be. Here also is some detail on the "Lost Linux" class action against SONY, which compliments this matter nicely. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110310172538157 Dig in kids! It's gonna be a long, ugly, informative, and interesting bit of litigation that is very highly likely to set the precedent we live under for a long time. Edited March 18, 2011 by potatohead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Sony's in a bad place in terms of PR, and these legal battles. There really is such a thing as 'bad publicity.' What's wrong with partially giving up? It seems to me the easiest path for them is to return OtherOS, and perhaps include access to the graphics hardware. OtherOS+ would surely be nice. Maybe even allow homebrewed programs which meet certain requirements (perhaps running from a non-psn enabled 'otherOS' XMB), and provide a legitimate path to make them real PS3 apps. With most honest reasons to hack a PS3 removed, I'd think the real brainpower behind these hacks would move on to productive pursuits. Then focus resources on stopping PSN hacking, which will be a problem either way. It couldn't really be a worse spot than they're currently in, could it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Considering all the bonehead moves Sony has made the last 5-6 years I really don't expect much from them. They're like a loose cannon always shooting off without thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Yeah... Sony has been kicking butt, kicking down doors (police raid), taking names (of people who visited Geohot site and commented on his youtube videos), confiscating equipment ( Geohot, Graf_chocolo), gathering info ( 2 years of GeoHot's Paypal records), oh and once again kicking all firware version bypassers off of PSN again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammR25 Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share Posted March 19, 2011 Here also is some detail on the "Lost Linux" class action against SONY, which compliments this matter nicely. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110310172538157 Dig in kids! It's gonna be a long, ugly, informative, and interesting bit of litigation that is very highly likely to set the precedent we live under for a long time. Ahh, now it all makes sense. 174. As one article noted, Sony “isn’t pleased with the handful of private research labs, companies, and individuals using racks of PS3s as a relatively inexpensive Cell cluster node or workstation. Because Sony sells the PS3 at a loss, any customer who doesn’t buy games for the console is bad for the bottom line.” Further, on the Air Force cluster alone, SCEA likely lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 180. Other sources have speculated that, IBM, SCEI’s partner in STI, also applied pressure to convince SCEI to remove the “Other OS” feature as it was losing sales of its expensive servers to those who were clustering PS3s (which had the same Cell processor) for much less money. 181. Although they contained lower performance per unit, PS3s were an inexpensive alternative to IBM’s Cell Blade servers which cost approximately $18,000. When the US military purchased thousands of PS3 for a super-computing cluster, the purchasing report noted that SCEA was the only company capable of manufacturing the required hardware at an economical price. 182. When an article in The Economist noted that the military was making a substantial saving by creating the PS3 network compared to building a traditional super computer, users speculated: “Do you think that other investors in Cell technology. Such as IBM [sic] might be a little pissed at Sony selling devices that are near equivalent to their own more expensive products? One could speculate the pressure to remove PS3 linux came from external sources.” 183. Financial pressures were what led SCEI and SCEA to remove the “Other OS” feature. SCEA had no valid basis to remove an advertised feature from its PS3, for which users had paid significant sums, merely because it no longer wanted to pay to support that feature or it was losing money on sales of games and accessories. SCEA’s pretextual “security” or “intellectual property” concerns were not the true reason for the removal of the feature. 184. SCEA relies on wording from its Warranty, SSLA, and TOS to argue that “security” concerns allow it to remove the Other OS feature. Even if security were a concern, the language in these documents does not support SCEA’s interpretation. 185. The Warranty states that “ome [warranty] services may . . . cause some loss of functionality.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendon Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Wow.....this whole Sony vs. Hackers sceanario is really getting out of hand. Sony-PSN Threatened Mendon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomorpher Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 It's going to be pretty darn annoying if Sony takes PSN down for days or weeks. It was down yesterday for only a couple hours. I wasn't playing any games, so it didn't bother me really. The hackers are annoying more besides Sony. There were a lot of annoyed posts from pissed off PSN users. But this crap has to stop. The hackers should let it go because this is making things worse, especially for their two buddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_c Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) tried getting on today just to accept the new terms and i couldn't. not that i really wanted to accept the new terms, but i figured i'd do it today before i wanted to play something or log into Netflix. speaking of Netflix, anyone heard that if the new terms are not agreed to that Netflix will still work? Edited April 5, 2011 by frank_c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Playstation.com and affiliated sites have been down all over the net since yesterday. "Anon" (aka the 4chan hacking group) took them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underball Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Wow.....this whole Sony vs. Hackers sceanario is really getting out of hand. Sony-PSN Threatened Mendon It's not under maintenance. It was DDoS attacked. If Sony took it down willingly, there would be messages to reflect this when you bring up their sites in a browser. They got taken out, and this article and claim that it is down for "maintenance" is pure unadulterated bullshit. Edited April 5, 2011 by Underball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendon Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Here's another story from Kotaku: Sony Exec's Under Attack Mendon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomorpher Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Wow.....this whole Sony vs. Hackers sceanario is really getting out of hand. Sony-PSN Threatened Mendon It's not under maintenance. It was DDoS attacked. If Sony took it down willingly, there would be messages to reflect this when you bring up their sites in a browser. They got taken out, and this article and claim that it is down for "maintenance" is pure unadulterated bullshit. Yesterday, the original date of the article, it was though. I went to go to the Playstation forums yesterday and saw a message something about how a Move controller bumping into a server wasn't the cause of it, that it was maintenance. I can get on the Playstation boards fine as of right now. I had an issue getting into the PSN Store, but after shutting down my PS3 a couple of times I could. I deleted my billing information and decided to get prepaid cards from now on if this hacker crap keeps going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatohead Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 If I were you, I would keep a close eye on that account. You asked for it to be deleted, but there really isn't any assurance that it actually has been deleted. Might be just hidden. Wow! Anon has really been stepping it up lately! I'm fascinated by them actually. They've done some great things, and some really ugly things too. Before it's over, they will be responsible for some new norms and law out there in cyberland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax2069 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/sony-settles-ps3-lawsuit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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