PS3 encryption keys now on the net

[Underball]

Hacked mine. Wicked easy to do.

 

Threw the Genesis and SMS emulators on there and backed up a couple of my PS3 games to the HD. Load times are much better than from the Blu-Ray drive, plus less wear and tear on the drive itself. Haven't figured out how to run games from remote host folders, so I won't be pirating anything (other than old school emulators).

[mimo]

Hacked mine. Wicked easy to do.

 

Threw the Genesis and SMS emulators on there and backed up a couple of my PS3 games to the HD. Load times are much better than from the Blu-Ray drive, plus less wear and tear on the drive itself. Haven't figured out how to run games from remote host folders, so I won't be pirating anything (other than old school emulators).

So do you need a usb dongle thing, or just a cfw?

[Underball]

Hacked mine. Wicked easy to do.

 

Threw the Genesis and SMS emulators on there and backed up a couple of my PS3 games to the HD. Load times are much better than from the Blu-Ray drive, plus less wear and tear on the drive itself. Haven't figured out how to run games from remote host folders, so I won't be pirating anything (other than old school emulators).

So do you need a usb dongle thing, or just a cfw?

Just the pre-patched Kmeaw CFW update file (look on ps3-hacks.com) and any kind of usb drive/pen drive/storage device. It doesn't need to be a Jailbreak device, just a regular usb storage drive.

 

Make sure you're on 3.55 official firmware. (if you're not now, DO NOT do an official update, as 3.56 is out which blocks CFW.) To update to 3.55 official, download that update file (also at ps3-hacks.com), and follow the instructions below to install the official 3.55 FIRST. Then do the same procedure with the CFW update AFTER.

 

Then boot the PS3 into "Recovery Mode" by turning it all the way off, then starting it up and holding your finger on the on/off until turns off again and beeps twice quickly. Then press it once, wait for it to boot, and load the CFW update from the usb drive.

 

Done.

Edited February 3, 2011 by Underball

[moycon]

I'm confused why anyone would go to so much crap to play old Genesis and SMS games on their "state of the art" PS3.

[frank_c]

because they can?

 

that was really the only reason i bought a Wii...to run the emulators.

[mimo]

I'm confused why anyone would go to so much crap to play old Genesis and SMS games on their "state of the art" PS3.

 

Because I can house all my favorite games/systems in one box that sits under the TV and play them on a 42" plasma

[Underball]

I'm confused why anyone would go to so much crap to play old Genesis and SMS games on their "state of the art" PS3.

To consolidate all of their gaming into one sweet machine so their entertainment center doesn't look like a nasty mess of cables, controllers and carts/discs.

 

Why wouldn't you want the ability to play nearly every video game you like, from the comfort of your couch, with a great wireless controller, from one, simple, elegant console, on a 65" TV?

 

Better question: Why did you feel the need to ask this question twice in the same thread? Did you not get the expected response the last time?

Edited February 4, 2011 by Underball

[Underball]

And really, it wasn't "so much crap" to go to either. It took all of about 10 minutes.

[HammR25]

Unless we're talking about NAMBLA, I don't really feel the need to question what other people derive enjoyment from. I really couldn't care less if someone wants emulators on their PS3 regardless of whether I'd do it or not.

[Underball]

Unless we're talking about NAMBLA, I don't really feel the need to question what other people derive enjoyment from. I really couldn't care less if someone wants emulators on their PS3 regardless of whether I'd do it or not.

It's not every day you see a NAMBLA reference on here.

 

Oof. I agree though.

[Lord Helmet]

I'm confused why anyone would go to so much crap to play old Genesis and SMS games on their "state of the art" PS3.

 

Because I can house all my favorite games/systems in one box that sits under the TV and play them on a 42" plasma

 

With wireless controllers

 

This is basically all I use my Wii for anymore. It's great to be able to have everything in one box rather than dealing with tons of consoles, wires, and carts.

[moycon]

Unless we're talking about NAMBLA, I don't really feel the need to question what other people derive enjoyment from. I really couldn't care less if someone wants emulators on their PS3 regardless of whether I'd do it or not.

 

Well considering you can run Genesis and SMS emulators on just about any system from the Dreamcast on, I just don't get why folks feel the need to mess with the current gen of systems. The fallout is, it messes more with the people who just want to play the latest games on the latest system. These companies try to battle piracy and as others have mentioned, all it does is screw the honest people. Whether it's cheaters online, or game companies making changes to the games. You might not care what other people do with their system, but you are affected by those actions, even more so if you're a big online player.

 

The "I don't have room, or it's a HUGE mess" excuse doesn't cut it. If you have a square foot of space in your house, get a Dreamcast, or an Xbox or hell a PC you can accomplish the same thing and I'll bet the cables are already ran, and if they aren't it's TWO CABLES. A power cable and an A/V cable. Not buying any person here can't make two cables look nice. If all you want to do is play old games, you can do so easily was my point. That's why I was saying I don't understand.

 

In the end though whatever, I get it, all you want to do is play old games on the latest system. Fine, run your emulator. Who would care? Heck I run emulators myself. Honestly if all that was being done was running emulators, there might not be much fallout. But everyone here knows for every one person running an emulator there are thousands using it for piracy of the latest games ,and cheating at the latest games. I have no doubt some people here are included.

Just don't be surprised when we're all stuck with streaming console that only play DLC. I guess when that happens we'll all be forced to break out the old systems, and somehow find room, and put up with the terrible mess of cables.

Again, not a big deal.

 

Oh and Underball, I wasn't directing that at you, in fact I rarely read anything you write, so don't think I'm picking on you. Maybe I'm just getting old.

[SlowCoder]

Well considering you can run Genesis and SMS emulators on just about any system from the Dreamcast on, I just don't get why folks feel the need to mess with the current gen of systems. The fallout is, it screws the people who just want to play the latest games on the latest system. You might not care what other people do with their system, but you are affected by those actions, even more so if you're a big online player. These companies try to battle piracy and as others have mentioned, all it does is screw the honest people.

I think the answer "because we can" still holds validation here. People are experimental and want to see if they can make their hardware do things it wasn't intended to do by the manufacturer. That's why we have modded cars and overclocked PCs, etc. It's about learning. And, no, (though I agree majority probably do) everyone who does this is not about pirating.

 

The "I don't have room, or it's a HUGE mess" excuse doesn't cut it. If you have a square foot of space in your house, get a Dreamcast, or an Xbox or hell a PC you can accomplish the same thing and I'll bet the cables are already ran if they aren't it's TWO CABLES. A power cable and an A/V cable. Not buying any person here can't make two cables look nice.

If you live in a small apartment, then you very well may not have the room. Or you don't enjoy the clutter of having multiple systems. Whatever the reason, why is it a problem if they want to have everything on one machine?

 

That's why I was saying I don't understand.

This nonsense that people sling around saying they paid for the console so they can do whatever they want with it and no one should be able to do or say anything about it is BS. If you buy a gun, you do own that gun. You can't go out and shoot everyone you don't like with that gun just because you own it. Shooting people is illegal (Well in most cases) LOL

If I'm going to pay $400 for a piece of hardware, you're DAMN SKIPPY it's going to be MY PROPERTY!! If you want to rent me a system, then charge me a monthly fee, take on the responsibility of repairing, replacing and updating it when it dies, etc. I LEGALLY OWN the hardware. Sony cannot come to my house and repossess my console. But I do not own the software, the bits and bytes lined up on the hard drive, as they are sent from the manufacturer.

 

In the end though whatever, I get it, you have to play pirated games on the latest system. Fine, run your emulator, I honestly don't care. Heck I run emulators myself.

Just don't be surprised when we're all stuck with streaming console that only play DLC. I guess when that happens we'll all be forced to break out the old systems, and somehow find room, and put up with the terrible mess of cables.

The Internet has paved the way to download-only software. I think piracy only plays a little part in this. Think of what DLC does. It knocks out the middle man. Game Stop, EB, the mom and pop shops, all gone because Sony and Microsoft find it a bit cheaper to allow you to download directly from them instead.

[cimerians]

I have to agree with Moycon. There's the Wii and the original Xbox which are more than capable of emulation. Probably better at it too.

 

Its the PS3 games. Just like the Xbox 360.

People want to dump free games to their drives or run burned copies (like the 360). Some people just leave it to emulation but more often than not and I would say 99% of everyone else just wants to torrent or rent games and dump them down on their drive.

 

Games games games....

 

The future will be streaming and online. Steam and OnLive are already out there. Unless the digital only games themselves are decrypted and hacked and dumped on the drive you'll have to connect somewhere to play.

 

I hate Capcom and DRM as much as the next person. I so seriously want to stick it to them by ripping their games but it all leads to more and more DRM and annoyances to honest people. It really does. See the Bionic Rearmed 2 PS3 thread as one example.......

 

Its an infinite loop. I agree with people when these bastard companies screw us over but look at what happens.

I dont know. Its not good in the long run it seems.

[moycon]

I think the answer "because we can" still holds validation here.

 

Again, You can shoot people with a $400 gun you own. "Because we can" is not always valid.

 

If you live in a small apartment, then you very well may not have the room. Or you don't enjoy the clutter of having multiple systems. Whatever the reason, why is it a problem if they want to have everything on one machine?

 

I lived in a two room efficiency apartment in Marietta GA for 5 years and had almost every system ever made. This was back before there were even such things as emulators.

You're going to have a REAL hard time convincing me the space argument is anything but nonsense. Sorry.

 

I honestly don't have a problem. Like I said, just didn't get it, but whatever, me getting it isn't important.

And really I don't have an issue with emulators, it's everything else that comes with hacking a system that makes it suck for the honest folks I guess.

I know some folks here would only be interested in emulation, there are also some folks who will use the hacked system to pirate the latest games and exploit the latest games. My guess is it'll be real easy to tell who is who.

[SlowCoder]

Yes, I think we all have valid points, especially when looking at it from our own perspectives and experiences. We don't have to agree on everything, and that's ok. We're still friends.

 

Moycon, my previous post was nothing pointed at you. I was just providing counter points to your arguments. I think it's important to hear views from others so we can understand that not everyone thinks the same about any subject.

[moycon]

Moycon, my previous post was nothing pointed at you. I was just providing counter points to your arguments. I think it's important to hear views from others so we can understand that not everyone thinks the same about any subject.

 

I agree SlowCoder, no worries!!!

I totally get what you and others were/are saying.

However, not everyone's intentions are as innocent as they might first appear and no amount of lame excuses changes that fact.

I'll still stick to my old "dead" systems to play older games. There really is no good reason not to.

[Austin]

Emulation on a PS3 excites me simply because of the added power over other available emulation options. I already have a modded XBOX, and while it is awesome for what it is, it still has troubles with a lot of mid '90s games and on. Arcade stuff like Strikers 1945 II, Mars Matrix, Gunbird 2, etc--those really struggle on a stock XBOX and won't run properly without doing the RAM upgrade (taking a memory chip from one XBOX and soldering it into the free slot on your motherboard), something I'm not about to try. As time moves on and more early '00 games (and later) are being emulated (for instance, Espgaluda in MAME), even the Wii may not make the cut for stuff like that.

 

Others are right, though--there are plenty of older platforms that can emulate the early '90s and prior just fine, but whatever--it's your hardware, do what you want with it. I know that the main reason I will finally jump on the PS3 bandwagon is that the systems ARE hackable, and that will be the first thing I do with it.

[Reaperman]

I'm not an emulation kind of guy, but I can't wait for homebrew and unlicensed games. Certainly by now we've all seen some damn fine homebrew projects.

 

Game hacks and cheats could become loads of fun. It'd be nice if the PS3 got some of the game mods that pc versions enjoy. Who doesn't want to have everybody's clothing polygons to be transparent? Fan translations are nice too.

 

And I know piracy is a bit of a taboo subject, but it's got some nice benefits. Multi-game compilations are fun as hell to collect, and the ability to keep our collections sealed while still playing the games is nice (not like ps3 games are going to ever become collectible). Also, piracy is going to be the motivator driving a lot of these advancements that will help us push our platform to the limits.

 

The down side is that ps3 may get dumped a bit earlier by sony, or even worse they may resort to some extreme measures to prevent this all from happening.

Edited February 5, 2011 by Reaperman

[moycon]

--it's your hardware, do what you want with it.

 

Again, ripping the latest games to play for free, or hacking into games so you can cheat online might only be something a few 100 thousand people would be interested in...but those actions affect millions.

 

It's called "self entitlement"

Just because you buy something doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want. Sorry.

You can't even buy a 2 x 4 and do whatever you want with it.

Just the way it is.

What's funny is the hackers can keep it up, I imagine they'll be the first to cry when Sony dumps the PS3. Boo Hoo.

[Underball]

I think the answer "because we can" still holds validation here.

 

Again, You can shoot people with a $400 gun you own. "Because we can" is not always valid.

 

If you live in a small apartment, then you very well may not have the room. Or you don't enjoy the clutter of having multiple systems. Whatever the reason, why is it a problem if they want to have everything on one machine?

 

I lived in a two room efficiency apartment in Marietta GA for 5 years and had almost every system ever made. This was back before there were even such things as emulators.

You're going to have a REAL hard time convincing me the space argument is anything but nonsense. Sorry.

 

I honestly don't have a problem. Like I said, just didn't get it, but whatever, me getting it isn't important.

And really I don't have an issue with emulators, it's everything else that comes with hacking a system that makes it suck for the honest folks I guess.

I know some folks here would only be interested in emulation, there are also some folks who will use the hacked system to pirate the latest games and exploit the latest games. My guess is it'll be real easy to tell who is who.

It's not so much space, as appearance. Having tons of systems and games and cables and carts laying around your place makes you look like a slob. College dorm room with 19 year old kids who dont' know how to pick up after themselves, fine. Working adult with wives/family - that's just bad taste.

 

and I don't buy the "it affects millions" bit either.

 

Firmware 3.65 is already out which essentially disabled all the pirates and hackers PSN and online gaming access, and the Hackers were having their consoles perma-banned from PSN at a ridiculous rate even before it was released. Sony took care of that problem in less than a week.

 

They even put a rootkit in 3.56 to spy on console hd installations and disable them remotely.

 

The only people affected by piracy are other pirates. People who buy legit games won't be affected, because they'll just buy legit games with tons of DRM in it, if that's the road Sony chooses. My guess is those who are complaining now aren't legit game purchasers; but are the early adopter pirates who had it good while they flew under the radar with the overpriced jailbreak dongles, who are now pissed that everyone can jailbreak their consoles for free.

[potatohead]

Well, yes you can. Whether or not there are penalties for doing what you want with things you own is under discussion, but if it's YOURS, then you do get to call the shots on it; otherwise, it's simply not YOURS.

 

Rentals would solve this problem.

 

The core problem here is that we have companies who want to get the advantages of a rental, and a sale, and a contract without actually incurring the costs of managing those things properly, expecting to just use code to lock people out, and dupe them into believing they own something, when the intent is for them to just use it for a while.

 

That's not ok. Won't ever be ok. Wasn't ok.

 

Piracy can be cut down to near nothing with rentals, and actual use contracts and real authentication against a server.

 

The problem with that is the whole thing is just a experience then, a subscription, if you will. That has no where near the value that ownership does, and that's the rub.

 

Ownership comes with some basic realities that don't change just because somebody wants to make more money, if you use the thing according to how they envision it being used. That's not how the sale thing works.

 

So is a game experience worth $60, if you are just buying a license for your specific machine? Is it worth %60, if you get a license and a copy that can work on more than one machine? Finally, what about a license and a access entitlement that allows that license to be used on one machine concurrently, yet be installed on multiple machines?

 

Real software companies, that sell real software, software that has way more man-hours invested in it's development than games will ever have, sell licenses, and they track them, and they wrap a contract around it with some teeth.

 

A single machine license can cost HALF of what a floating one does, or one that could be installed in multiple places does.

 

So the games people really are being shady about where the value is, and it's getting worse.

 

Seems to me, if they are that confident that piracy is so damaging, and that would mean that many instances of piracy are lost, VIABLE sales opportunities, then lower the price, do the math on those opportunities, and sell a cheap, license controlled copy, and get the dollars the right way, by actually selling the license, and not lying to the users about ownership.

 

It's not hard.

 

It is however a considerably different sale, and one that isn't anywhere near as sexy as implied ownership is.

 

Because they play that game, and that goes with console makers as well as game publishers, I don't feel for them.

 

I paid $6.99 for a goofy game called "Peggle" off the SONY store. If it were sold retail, it would easily be double that, if not more. I paid for download access, and a use license.

 

Cheap ass, but I don't have a disk for archive later. That's worth more money, because Pop Cap takes a risk and must also distribute physical things, as opposed to less burdensome authentication schemes they can use online.

 

Now, since I had to pay for a PS3, it's MINE. If it breaks, and I want to clone it, and play that game, I'm gonna do that. The use license is paid for. No moral issues here, but there are legal ones. I get that, but when something is MINE, I take some risks too, and that's worth something not always recognized in the value proposition.

 

And here's the other rub. For under $10, I could really give two shits. I'm as likely to just pay again, as fight over it, though I do resent owning a machine that I'm locked out of, because it's not really MINE, and I'm stuck with the costs and the risks, yet still have all the limitations of a rental.

 

Now, if I subscribed to PS3, and bought into some download and use rights, knowing I could get hardware service and replacement as part of my subscription, I wouldn't really care so much about whether or not I got stuck without being able to use those licenses, and that has a lot of value.

 

Also, it's not MINE, but THEIRS, and the game changes, because I'm buying use rights, not property.

 

That's the discussion to have.

 

Here in the US, wages have been essentially FLAT for many years. People are not seeing a solid increase in buying power per hour worked like they used to. So, that $60 is very significant to them. Significant enough that the loss more than warrants backups. Significant enough that being able to buy into download and use rights for a lower cost over media would be attractive too.

 

It's just not properly balanced. Distorting what is property, ownership, and what is licenses and access rights needs to happen, so that the business better reflects both the physical realities, and the overall risks and expectations that all parties take.

 

Honestly, I prefer to buy media, then swap with friends, and share the burden of the costs to use the software. Factor that in, and the average cost per title for me is probably $20 or less.

 

So then, being able to buy into downloads at $20, means not swapping, but it also means much higher margins for the producers of the games.

 

That needs to be discussed too.

 

There are options on this stuff, and is there any wonder that people push back on all of this garbage? Hell no there isn't, and everybody knows it.

 

Some clowns are going to pirate. That's going to happen period, unless some very, very draconian measures are taken. We won't see that, because the cost of sale would exceed the margin possible on the value of the software. So that's out.

 

Which leaves us with people owning hardware, doing things they want to do with it, because that's what owning hardware is, and we have distribution costs, overall value perception, and those things can be balanced significantly better than they are now.

 

I feel absolutely no sympathy for these companies trying to bend the law to suit their preferred business model. What they need to do is refine that model so that the value in their product is optimally delivered to those that demand it instead of fighting with them over it.

 

When I see that happening, then it's time to talk about other things, not before.

 

And for reference, look at the music industry! They've been fighting with their customers for years, and really all they've managed to do is devalue the value perception around the work, and empower competetors to enter their markets and treat people right.

 

The same damn things will happen in this space too. Count on it.

 

BTW: For those offerings that don't really have the value associated with the price, I simply don't play. And that means playing a lot less, or doing other things, because it's not worth it to do otherwise.

 

And regarding that 4x4, I am completely free to resell it, trade it, use it, burn it, whatever I want to do with it, because it is MINE. Some of those uses run afoul of the law, like hitting somebody with it, but that's not the same thing.

 

I run afoul of the same law using my own hands.

 

The bottom line here is, if they insist on selling us things, then they need to understand we will then treat them as OUR things, not their things that we happened to pay for.

 

Own your cable modem? Some people do. Most people rent it. A game console could be the exact same way, with people choosing to pay for ownership, or not, as their personal needs dictate.

 

Finally, there is a huge external cost impact for this whole sell it, but don't let them own it model, and that is the waste! There is tons of gear laying around, users locked out of, that costs everybody a lot. If those costs were factored into the equation, I think the overall balance of how things go would change considerably.

[moycon]

and I don't buy the "it affects millions" bit either.

 

PS3 Units sold = 47.9 million

 

Don't even try to argue this point. Enjoy your lame emulation, cheating and piracy on the PS3 Underball.

If all you really care about is the emulation, get an Xbox pal, they are like $20 on eBay.

Please don't bitch in the future when all games are DLC and all consoles are streaming. Most folks here won't,we just like enjoying the latest and greatest.

[Shannon]

I have to agree with Moycon. There's the Wii and the original Xbox which are more than capable of emulation. Probably better at it too.

There is no way the original Xbox or Wii are gonna be able to run emulation of some of the later systems with great effeciency and accuracy.

 

With the PS3 we have a better chance of..

 

Running later versions of mame

Better CPS3 emulation

Better N64 emulation

Better DosXbox emulation

Decent Saturn emulation?

Great PSX emulation once they figure out how to inject PSX images into Sony's emulator.. even better emulation on original PHAT's

 

Possibly decent PS2 emulation? Even better emulation on original PHAT's with the possibility of running images off of the internal hard drive, external drive, or even network.

 

All running at 720p or higher with all those fancy filters people like to use. The original xbox is already pushing it's RAM limits at 720p.

 

Don't even get me going on playback of hi-def 720p or higher video (aka movies, etc).

 

Online only content was inevitable the day consoles had built in ability to hook into a router and connect to the internet. It's only a matter of time. Piracy has no impact on that. It's all about control and money. These companies will do anything they can to wipe out the 2nd hand market that so many people hold dear. So don't even think of blaming it on piracy. That is waay short sighted.

 

Online cheating has been going on long before the PS3 was cracked and from what I understand I don't exactly see a bunch of reports of people running 3.55 CFW being banned just yet either.

 

But this blaming online chating and DRM/online only content on piracy is getting ridiculous. Online cheating has been going on with consoles way before they were hacked with save game modification and a little device called gameshark. Don't be fooled. People were hacking 360 gamesavese long before the first jtag hack came out, and jtag hacks are not easy to do.

 

 

lived in a two room efficiency apartment in Marietta GA for 5 years and had almost every system ever made. This was back before there were even such things as emulators.

You're going to have a REAL hard time convincing me the space argument is anything but nonsense. Sorry.

Good for you Moycon.. did you want a cookie? Edited February 5, 2011 by Shannon

[moycon]

]There is no way the original Xbox or Wii are gonna be able to run emulation of some of the later systems with great effeciency and accuracy.

 

Then go buy the original platform and play your games. You can pick them up for like $20 on eBay and NOT screw with folks that just want to pay their hard earned cash to play the latest and greatest games.

 

Thanks.

 

And Shannon, No that's OK I don't want any cookies, appreciate the offer though.

If you really want to appease me.... discourage piracy.