PS3 encryption keys now on the net

[Underball]

 

But the reality is, all of these companies only have so much budget and staff and time to monitor every lobby for every game. The newer games that are current take precedence. Older games that are no longer relevant have fewer monitors, and more problems with hacks and cheats.

 

I don't disagree at all. In fact, this is one area of current gaming that really concerns me, in that developers have little interest in patching/fixing older games even if a current mandatory firmware update screws up a game.

 

For example, if Firmware update 3.56 screws up Far Cry 2 or Lair or MotorStorm or Resistance, what incentive is there for a developer to spend big $$$$ and staff hours trying to fix a game that they now make little or no money on?

 

If a developer is still making money from a title, maybe through sales of DLC's, they have a reason to spend some time and money fixing something. But to expect EA to fix a game like Godfather II because a firmware update or hackers have created havoc with the game? I sincerely doubt a fix would be coming.

 

It's a shame that I may have to start buying two of every system: one to never take online so that I don't have to worry about firmware upgrades or hackers screwing around with my SAVE DATA and one to take online.

 

Mendon

That's one way to tackle it.

 

I don't really do much online gaming, so it doesn't really affect me. But that doesn't mean I don't recognize the issue it creates for those who do. It sucks, but really what can you do? The developers seem to have decided that +/- 6 months is about the average life span of the viability of these games, until one or two or ten new games of the same ilk replace it. and when they are no longer viable, they are pretty much abandonded, and though the servers may remain online, support is slim to none.

 

These are the eventualities that happen when you open up a console to online gaming. Its' been going on since the very first incarnations of LAN-based Deathmatch Doom.

 

Competing online with other people means you have to actually deal with other people.

 

Other people usually suck.

[Underball]

Who said anything about Tiny dwellings?

 

Aint all about you Underball.

I'm telling you, for the most part I don't even read your posts.

Why would I? All you do is berate, belittle and/or insult me.

In that post you quoted me. Quoting me means you were addressing my post. That's the whole point of using the quote feature.

 

If you're not talking to me, stop quoting me.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Underball

[moycon]

In that post you quoted me. Quoting me means you were addressing my post. That's the whole point of using the quote feature.

 

If you're not talking to me, stop quoting me.

 

Right Underball, sometimes you make smaller posts which get read before I realize who is posting.

Also I never said I wasn't talking to you. All I said is I usually skip over your posts. If I do read one, it's ok. I don't punish myself, nor do I care.

You asked when you said "anything about Tiny dwellings" and I saw it and replied letting you know you weren't necessarily the one who said it, like you said, this thread has nearly 200 replies in it. Even though in you mind, I stalk around AA looking for your posts just so I can start shit with you. It's a fabrication. I don't read most of your posts or your lame PMs.

 

You claim the points I'm bringing up don't affect you because you never play online. Fine. Why are you constantly saying I'm wrong? How would you know? The funny thing is, I'm not even talking about the hackers that only hack to run emulators, and have stated so more than once. Yet you continue to post like you're being attacked when supposedly you only hack for the forces of good and righteousness.

 

It's a shame that I may have to start buying two of every system: one to never take online so that I don't have to worry about firmware upgrades or hackers screwing around with my SAVE DATA and one to take online.

 

It is a shame and it illustrates once again how this lame hacking affects others.Truth be told you probably won't have to buy two systems, it's more likely we'll all be stuck with streaming consoles and DLC only games next gen of systems.

[Reaperman]

 

It's a shame that I may have to start buying two of every system: one to never take online so that I don't have to worry about firmware upgrades or hackers screwing around with my SAVE DATA and one to take online.

 

It should also be noted that hackers aren't the only things that kill save data and that backups of important saves are recommended. Speaking of which, I should make a fresh GT5 backup today.

 

It'd be nice to have an automatic (daily/weekly) savegame backup utility built into the system. If hackers wanted to be useful they'd make me one.

[Underball]

 

It is a shame and it illustrates once again how this lame hacking affects others.Truth be told you probably won't have to buy two systems, it's more likely we'll all be stuck with streaming consoles and DLC only games next gen of systems.

Ignoring all of your continued personal attacks, please answer this one you ignored from earlier:

 

If you're completely happy with paying full price for games, and you really just want pirates and hackers to stop what they are doing, then how would you be "STUCK" (i.e. this being a negative connotation) with streaming consoles and DRM?

 

Isn't this EXACTLY what you want? You keep contradicting yourself.

 

Either you want to ban hackers and pirates, or you don't.

 

If DLC and/or DRM is the answer to that, and you really are paying full price for your games as you already claimed, - then why does the prospect of DLC only bother you? You should be elated that hackers and piracy will go away with that solution.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Underball

[moycon]

If DLC and/or DRM is the answer to that, and you really are paying full price for your games as you already claimed, - then why does the prospect of DLC only bother you? You should be elated that hackers and piracy will go away with that solution.

 

It doesn't bother me personally Underball.

I'm fine with it.

Like I stated earlier. I can run emulators on about a half dozen other platforms right this very second.

Answer your question?

[Underball]

If DLC and/or DRM is the answer to that, and you really are paying full price for your games as you already claimed, - then why does the prospect of DLC only bother you? You should be elated that hackers and piracy will go away with that solution.

 

It doesn't bother me personally Underball.

I'm fine with it.

Like I stated earlier. I can run emulators on about a half dozen other platforms.

Answer your question?

Then why do you keep phrasing your lament of DLC as a negative connotation?

 

How would you be "STUCK" with it?

 

I would think you would be cheering for it. Clearly you're not. Being Stuck with something isn't a desirable position.

[Underball]

In that post you quoted me. Quoting me means you were addressing my post. That's the whole point of using the quote feature.

 

If you're not talking to me, stop quoting me.

 

Right Underball, sometimes you make smaller posts which get read before I realize who is posting.

Slow down. Breathe.

 

It's gonna be okay, really.

[moycon]

How would you be "STUCK" with it?

 

I would think you would be cheering for it. Clearly you're not. Being Stuck with something isn't a desirable position.

 

I personally wouldn't be "STUCK", but I know lots of people I consider friends here on AA, and I also know their opinions and thoughts in regards to physical media, DLC etc.. mainly that they dislike it immensely and yes some are posting in this thread.

 

If you're still not convinced, and insist on telling me what I think, here was a post I made in regards to a streaming DLC only system in this very thread:

 

Please don't bitch in the future when all games are DLC and all consoles are streaming. Most folks here won't,we just like enjoying the latest and greatest.

 

I would be one included in that "we"

 

Also I'm breathing fine bro. Just trying to explain to you that what you think is going on...isn't.

[Underball]

How would you be "STUCK" with it?

 

I would think you would be cheering for it. Clearly you're not. Being Stuck with something isn't a desirable position.

 

I personally wouldn't "STUCK", but I know lots of people I consider friends here on AA, and I also know their opinions and thoughts in regards to physical media, DLC etc.. mainly that they dislike it immensely and yes some are posting in this thread.

 

If you're still not convinced, and insist on telling me what I think, here was a post I made in regards to a streaming DLC only system in this very thread:

 

Please don't bitch in the future when all games are DLC and all consoles are streaming. Most folks here won't,we just like enjoying the latest and greatest.

 

I would be one included in that "we"

 

Also I'm breathing fine bro. Just trying to explain to you that what you think is going on...isn't.

I'm glad you've decided you have the authority to speak for the vast majority here. that takes some serious balls.

 

I think the larger point you're missing here is that this thread was a pretty amicable, adult discussion of what's going on with the hacks - for better or worse - of the PS3. I say "was" because it was, until you showed up with all your exaggerations and finger pointing and general temper tantrum histrionics towards anyone you decided to disagree with ahead of time.

 

All of that really wasn't warranted or needed. You need to calm down and stop overreacting.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Underball

[moycon]

I'm glad you've decided you have the authority to speak for the vast majority here. that takes some serious balls.

 

Hu? You're confused maybe.

I've answered every one of your silly, incorrect accusations and you just shift gears and make up new ones.

I'm personally attacking you, I hate DLC, I speak for everyone etc....

I give up trying to convince you though.

You win Underball, you got me, I'm just messing with you and in reality I think hacking is great and there are zero consequences.

Sorry I ruined this thread with, legitimate complaints backed up with multiple examples when all I really cared about was making you pissy.

[Emehr]

I try to be a third party observer in any situation and this is how I see things: I'm in the camp that would greatly dislike the loss of physical media and online authentication. However, I do not believe that hackers and pirates are the reason companies may (will?) move in this direction. Instead, I believe they will use it as a scapegoat to garner sympathy when the time comes to make their big pitch for download-only games. Realistically, they will go with the business model that is most profitable. Printing discs and manuals is a cost they'd be happy to cut. They're already trying to convince consumers that reselling games is equivalent to stealing from the developers' dinner table so they're approaching this from many angles hoping something sticks.

 

As long as they successfully convince consumers that hacking, piracy, reselling, and renting are the reasons we will have download-only games with online activation, they'll have it made in the shade without looking like the bad guys. Unfortunately, there's still the little problem of (a) actually proving that these things hurt their profits and (b) the fact that hacking, piracy, reselling, and renting have been around for years and somehow companies have managed to keep this industry going.

 

For the record, I prefer real consoles to emulation. Emulation is fun to play around with every once in a while, but nothing beats the real deal, IMO.

[Petran79]

I try to be a third party observer in any situation and this is how I see things: I'm in the camp that would greatly dislike the loss of physical media and online authentication. However, I do not believe that hackers and pirates are the reason companies may (will?) move in this direction. Instead, I believe they will use it as a scapegoat to garner sympathy when the time comes to make their big pitch for download-only games. Realistically, they will go with the business model that is most profitable. Printing discs and manuals is a cost they'd be happy to cut. They're already trying to convince consumers that reselling games is equivalent to stealing from the developers' dinner table so they're approaching this from many angles hoping something sticks.

 

As long as they successfully convince consumers that hacking, piracy, reselling, and renting are the reasons we will have download-only games with online activation, they'll have it made in the shade without looking like the bad guys. Unfortunately, there's still the little problem of (a) actually proving that these things hurt their profits and (b) the fact that hacking, piracy, reselling, and renting have been around for years and somehow companies have managed to keep this industry going.

 

For the record, I prefer real consoles to emulation. Emulation is fun to play around with every once in a while, but nothing beats the real deal, IMO.

 

A little relevant but i read in a director's blog that every year out of 85000 scripts only 85 are accepted in the movie industry and the majority is based on comics and video games while only 10-15 movies differ, though they are written by already established writers.

Piracy existed from the floppy disk games already and was more rampant, compared to the cd and dvd era.

Problem lies more in the fact that there are now only 3 companies controlling the console market, not leaving room for innovation.this has been said many times hasnt it?

Also that drm and dlc seems incompatible with most teen players who hate to be controlled.

Perhaps it is time to switch from gb to mb again and make a great game as it happens on the pc and make cheaper downloadable games.

 

I also prefer real systems to emulated ones.eg playing a dreamcast game on the pc is taking the fun away. I will order a new region free dreamcast shooter that was developed by two people and took them 7 years to make! I hope that such indie games wil appear on the new consoles more often.I mostly use emulation for games and systems that i missed, trying to avoid save states. On mame games i use an arcade looking joystick as well.

 

Main problem is that you have to return to a previous era to play the game so it has to do with mentality

 

Just as you can not find old summer cinemas anymore to watch films below the stars and moon, but have to go to the multiroom digital 3d ones

[madmax2069]

Just as you can not find old summer cinemas anymore to watch films below the stars and moon, but have to go to the multiroom digital 3d ones

 

Those drive in cinema are still operating but are few and far between anymore. luckily for me i have a drive in just up the road from me that still operates here in ohio. i go to it every chance i can, you will never know when it to will be shut down. cant wait for it to reopen this summer.

Edited February 9, 2011 by madmax2069

[rockman_x_2002]

Well here's some more info on what Sony's doing next.

 

Seems that Sony's next move is threefold. First, crucify George "geohotz" Hotz and fail0verflow in courts (if they can ever figure out who fail0verflow team members really and truly are). Then they want to force the code and any trace of it completely off the Internet. Then apparently, they want to obtain the IP addresses of anyone that's so much as looked at or commented on the code (whether they've used it for anything or not).

 

http://www.wired.com...awsuit-factory/

 

I mean I like Sony's hardware and the games on the PS3 and all that. So I'm speaking a bit objectively here in saying I'm thinking Sony is overreacting just a bit, especially when it comes to other folks besides geohotz and fail0verflow. Plus there's the whole Streisand Effect thing that they should consider as well. This has happened before and it hasn't turned out well for those wanting to suppress information.

 

EDIT: Found another article on the subject for your perusal. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/sony-lawyers-now-targeting-anyone-who-posts-playstation-3-hack.ars

Edited February 9, 2011 by rockman_x_2002

[Itchy Koala]

... they want to obtain the IP addresses of anyone that's so much as looked at or commented on the code (whether they've used it for anything or not)...

 

Damn Sony calm down, why would they need these? Do they plan on suing every person who's ever looked at it?

[rxd]

This only proves the fact that the PS3 is hacked irreversibly and that Sony is in complete panic mode.

[Underball]

All the holes have been plugged. Proxy Servers and DNS tricks no longer work to gain access to the PSN. PS3 hackers can no longer play online games without updating to 3.56 and rendering all their hacks useless. (and if they're stupid and try to update straight to 3.56 from CFW - they will brick their PS3)

 

And this is the way it has been with EVERY PS3 hack since the beginning. After a new firmware is released, there's about a 10-12 day window where the hackers can get online using proxy hacks. Then Sony shuts the door on them. Never fails.

 

So all you Modern Warfare 2 junkies can go back to talking trash over your headsets, and antagonizing 13 year old kids from the comfort of your couch with your L33t Sk177zz, without having to fear whether the big mean cheater pirates will ruin your whole life. .

Edited February 9, 2011 by Underball

[Underball]

Well here's some more info on what Sony's doing next.

 

Seems that Sony's next move is threefold. First, crucify George "geohotz" Hotz and fail0verflow in courts (if they can ever figure out who fail0verflow team members really and truly are). Then they want to force the code and any trace of it completely off the Internet. Then apparently, they want to obtain the IP addresses of anyone that's so much as looked at or commented on the code (whether they've used it for anything or not).

 

http://www.wired.com...awsuit-factory/

 

I mean I like Sony's hardware and the games on the PS3 and all that. So I'm speaking a bit objectively here in saying I'm thinking Sony is overreacting just a bit, especially when it comes to other folks besides geohotz and fail0verflow. Plus there's the whole Streisand Effect thing that they should consider as well. This has happened before and it hasn't turned out well for those wanting to suppress information.

 

EDIT: Found another article on the subject for your perusal. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/sony-lawyers-now-targeting-anyone-who-posts-playstation-3-hack.ars

Edited February 9, 2011 by Underball

[Mendon]

All the holes have been plugged. Proxy Servers and DNS tricks no longer work to gain access to the PSN. PS3 hackers can no longer play online games without updating to 3.56 and rendering all their hacks useless. (and if they're stupid and try to update straight to 3.56 from CFW - they will brick their PS3)

 

And this is the way it has been with EVERY PS3 hack since the beginning. After a new firmware is released, there's about a 10-12 day window where the hackers can get online using proxy hacks. Then Sony shuts the door on them. Never fails.

 

So all you Modern Warfare 2 junkies can go back to talking trash over your headsets, and antagonizing 13 year old kids from the comfort of your couch with your L33t Sk177zz, without having to fear whether the big mean cheater pirates will ruin your whole life. .

 

You posted the above, but Joystiq posted today:

 

"Gameloft's Modern Combat: Domination draws some heavy inspiration from another big FPS franchise. And ironically, it's facing the same problem as its higher-profile counterpart. Available exclusively via the PSN, Modern Combat has been struggling against cheats and hacks almost immediately since its release -- "a result of the PS3 jailbreak situation," a Gameloft representative told us. A YouTube video demonstrates how the game "is going to get f***d hard," as the poster describes it.

 

Cheaters are able to enable a few tricks, including smokeless smoke grenades, bullet tracing, the ability to walk through walls and even "God Mode."

 

A new patch, coming in a few weeks, will attempt to rectify the situation by implementing "anti-hacking protection," in addition to other tweaks. "We are confident this fix will eliminate hacking and add to the player experience on Modern Combat: Domination," the rep added. "The anti-hacking pretty much means that people using a modified code (including cheaters) won't be able to access the game."

 

 

So, if firmware 3.56 plugged the holes on the PS3 and sent all the hacker's fleeing, why does GameLoft have to develop a anti-hacking patch that they hope to release in a few weeks?

 

And your sarcasm regarding "Modern Warfare junkies", whether joking or not, isn't appreciated.

 

 

Mendon

[potatohead]

The core problem in all of this is hacking the online game is also a game...

[Underball]

All the holes have been plugged. Proxy Servers and DNS tricks no longer work to gain access to the PSN. PS3 hackers can no longer play online games without updating to 3.56 and rendering all their hacks useless. (and if they're stupid and try to update straight to 3.56 from CFW - they will brick their PS3)

 

And this is the way it has been with EVERY PS3 hack since the beginning. After a new firmware is released, there's about a 10-12 day window where the hackers can get online using proxy hacks. Then Sony shuts the door on them. Never fails.

 

So all you Modern Warfare 2 junkies can go back to talking trash over your headsets, and antagonizing 13 year old kids from the comfort of your couch with your L33t Sk177zz, without having to fear whether the big mean cheater pirates will ruin your whole life. .

 

You posted the above, but Joystiq posted today:

 

"Gameloft's Modern Combat: Domination draws some heavy inspiration from another big FPS franchise. And ironically, it's facing the same problem as its higher-profile counterpart. Available exclusively via the PSN, Modern Combat has been struggling against cheats and hacks almost immediately since its release -- "a result of the PS3 jailbreak situation," a Gameloft representative told us. A YouTube video demonstrates how the game "is going to get f***d hard," as the poster describes it.

 

Cheaters are able to enable a few tricks, including smokeless smoke grenades, bullet tracing, the ability to walk through walls and even "God Mode."

 

A new patch, coming in a few weeks, will attempt to rectify the situation by implementing "anti-hacking protection," in addition to other tweaks. "We are confident this fix will eliminate hacking and add to the player experience on Modern Combat: Domination," the rep added. "The anti-hacking pretty much means that people using a modified code (including cheaters) won't be able to access the game."

 

 

So, if firmware 3.56 plugged the holes on the PS3 and sent all the hacker's fleeing, why does GameLoft have to develop a anti-hacking patch that they hope to release in a few weeks?

 

And your sarcasm regarding "Modern Warfare junkies", whether joking or not, isn't appreciated.

 

 

Mendon

Because Joystiq is probably 2 weeks behind the ball with publishing that article on what's actually going on with the PSN?

 

I wasn't being sarcastic. That's one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of online gaming. The only thing worse than the hordes of screaming 13 year olds, swearing their heads off online and acting like tough guy wanna-be gangstas, are the sad, lonely, 40 year old couch potatoes who spend 9 hours every night playing online games, who are practically at the brink of suicide if you fuck with their only source of socialization. It's been this way since the early days of Quake III Arena.

 

It clearly doesn't apply to you. You seem like a pretty reasonable, intelligent guy. But whether or not you'll admit it - you know exactly what I'm talking about. A good deal of hardcore online gamers demonstrate the worst human behaviors.

[Reaperman]

So, if firmware 3.56 plugged the holes on the PS3 and sent all the hacker's fleeing, why does GameLoft have to develop a anti-hacking patch that they hope to release in a few weeks?

While new firmware has temporarily stopped hackers since it came out, (really it's only 'stopped' them since last night) I don't believe there's anybody who thinks 3.56 will protect ps3 forever. Worst comes to worst, now that working custom firmware is out, I guess hackers could open the system up and write the chip with a cable. I don't think it will come to that though.

 

If this becomes a cycle, I start to wonder how many firmware updates our ps3's have in them before something goes wrong. It seems to get a few honest users every time and customers, of course, assume all risks for mandatory firmware updates.

Edited February 9, 2011 by Reaperman

[Underball]

So, if firmware 3.56 plugged the holes on the PS3 and sent all the hacker's fleeing, why does GameLoft have to develop a anti-hacking patch that they hope to release in a few weeks?

While new firmware has temporarily stopped hackers since it came out, (really it's only 'stopped' them since last night) I don't believe there's anybody who thinks 3.56 will protect ps3 forever. Worst comes to worst, now that working custom firmware is out, I guess hackers could open the system up and write the chip with a cable. I don't think it will come to that though.

 

If this becomes a cycle, I start to wonder how many firmware updates our ps3's have in them before something goes wrong. It seems to get a few honest users every time and customers, of course, assume all risks for mandatory firmware updates.

The PSP has been hacked and constantly updated since 2007. It's 2011, and the system is more popular now, and selling better than it ever did. It's on firmware version 6.35 or something like that.

 

And like I pointed out earlier - this has happened with every firmware update since the PS3 was hacked initially. The Proxy Server and DNS hacks that allowed PS3 hacker to get access to the PSN only last about a week or so after a new firmware update arrives.

 

Hackers went something like 7 MONTHS with no PSN access in between the 3.41 hacks closed PSN access, and the 3.55 hack.

 

All told, PS3 hackers have had less than a month's worth of PSN access from their hacked consoles during the entire year, the rest of the year, the hole was plugged.

Edited February 9, 2011 by Underball

[cimerians]

Goofball Sterling says it best. Although I wouldnt wear a pirate outfit if my life depended on it. Sick to death of pirates and.....those disney films.