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Do you want to completely invalidate other people's observations and opinions about the system?

 

NO!!!!!!! Why even ask this? The first guy I replied to basically bashed the 7800 and gave misleading information about its hardware capabilites while stating his post as fact and the second guy tried to invalidate my opinion and patronize me. I had no problems with a difference of opinion. It's a lack of respect for different opinions I have a problem with.

 

I don't think it was as misleading as you think it is though. It's his opinion, and mine is close. I respect your opinion to like the 7800. I have reasons for not caring for it, and they have already been pointed out. I guess what I'm saying is that he said his opinion, you said yours, what more is there really to say?

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Do you want to completely invalidate other people's observations and opinions about the system?

 

NO!!!!!!! Why even ask this? The first guy I replied to basically bashed the 7800 and gave misleading information about its hardware capabilites while stating his post as fact and the second guy tried to invalidate my opinion and patronize me. I had no problems with a difference of opinion. It's a lack of respect for different opinions I have a problem with.

 

I don't think it was as misleading as you think it is though. It's his opinion, and mine is close. I respect your opinion to like the 7800. I have reasons for not caring for it, and they have already been pointed out. I guess what I'm saying is that he said his opinion, you said yours, what more is there really to say?

 

The 7800 can handle a lot on screen without slowdown, a good amount of games play well, and I didn't find the animations to glide or lack physics. The post bashed the Maria and called it crappy hardware, and there's that stating opinion as fact thing...

I have no problem with him disliking the system, but I have a problem with him stating opinion as fact.

 

I'm in the US so maybe the PAL games weren't optimized so well?

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I'm in the US too. It's a comparison to 5200/A8 games for example. It's not that it's worse or better, it's just that it has different strengths and weaknesses. Whoever called it "crap", that's an opinion, but you can't really argue that it's not different, because then it would be the same. Some of the details of the differences have already been outlined. It seems like you're taking this a bit too personally. They're different systems, and some people won't like the style of one or the other.

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The thing is I have never owned a classic computer, I grew up with consoles and just recently got into computer gaming, so I figured the 7800 would have been a better choice as it was a console and I currently do not own any 8-bit consoles besides it.

I hear this comment quite often. The thing is, the 8-bit computers can be used solely as a console, if one chooses. The 8-bits have a cartridge port and many good titles that can be run from it. There are also multicarts available. You can own the system and never have to deal with any other medium. Of course you'll miss a lot. Point is, I consider the 8-bits a computer/console. When I first got mine, I used nothing other than cartridges for about a year.

I have heard that with a floppy drive, all you do is insert the floppy then turn on the system and it loads automatically like a cart, is that true? If so I would not mind floppy's. Currently have a TI-99/4A that I am selling because of the lack of games. Plus I can not seem to remember the load command half of the time. To used to MSDOS I guess.

Yea, pretty much all commercial games load this way, and then there are disks with menus for loading multiple games. The SIO2PC connection cable also allows you to auto load disk images or binary game files.

 

SIO2PC is great because you can set it up with a single large disk image containing most of your games and have instant access to almost everything available whenever you turn your machine on. I just leave one of these disks set up and ready to go in the PC application. So, all I have to do is open the PC program and then flick on the Atari.

 

These cables are relatively inexpensive or can be home-made fairly easily for even less. There are many other solutions available too, but SIO2PC is the cheapest way to open up the full library that's available.

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What are your guys opinion of jaybird3rd. I am thinking of getting a computer he is selling. It is a Atari 600XL, I've got an extra boxed unit that's in great shape and includes 64K of RAM (via an internal upgrade that I added).He is asking 45 dollars plus shipping. Is that a fair price. What is his reputation.

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What are your guys opinion of jaybird3rd. I am thinking of getting a computer he is selling. It is a Atari 600XL, I've got an extra boxed unit that's in great shape and includes 64K of RAM (via an internal upgrade that I added).He is asking 45 dollars plus shipping. Is that a fair price. What is his reputation.

 

You can't go wrong with him. I have no idea about 600XL prices though.

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I'm in the US too. It's a comparison to 5200/A8 games for example. It's not that it's worse or better, it's just that it has different strengths and weaknesses. Whoever called it "crap", that's an opinion, but you can't really argue that it's not different, because then it would be the same. Some of the details of the differences have already been outlined. It seems like you're taking this a bit too personally. They're different systems, and some people won't like the style of one or the other.

 

But this is what I agree with. The poster I first replied to pointed out the 7800's faults, but made it sound like it was completely crippled and ignored its strengths. The problem I had and part of the reason I was so annoyed at atariski is that he completely ignored part of my posts and assumed I didn't like or know about some things I liked or knew about. I'm aware that 7800 and Atari 8 bit computer line are different and have their own advantages, but I'm annoyed when someone assumes I don't love the 800 (which I do) becuase of postivie things I said about 7800 games.

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I'm in the US too. It's a comparison to 5200/A8 games for example. It's not that it's worse or better, it's just that it has different strengths and weaknesses. Whoever called it "crap", that's an opinion, but you can't really argue that it's not different, because then it would be the same. Some of the details of the differences have already been outlined. It seems like you're taking this a bit too personally. They're different systems, and some people won't like the style of one or the other.

 

But this is what I agree with. The poster I first replied to pointed out the 7800's faults, but made it sound like it was completely crippled and ignored its strengths. The problem I had and part of the reason I was so annoyed at atariski is that he completely ignored part of my posts and assumed I didn't like or know about some things I liked or knew about. I'm aware that 7800 and Atari 8 bit computer line are different and have their own advantages, but I'm annoyed when someone assumes I don't love the 800 (which I do) becuase of postivie things I said about 7800 games.

 

Okay, cool then, and don't let atariski get to you. He just likes pushing everyone's buttons (or more likely just doesn't have the sense not to). Seriously, don't get sucked into all that.

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I'm in the US too. It's a comparison to 5200/A8 games for example. It's not that it's worse or better, it's just that it has different strengths and weaknesses. Whoever called it "crap", that's an opinion, but you can't really argue that it's not different, because then it would be the same. Some of the details of the differences have already been outlined. It seems like you're taking this a bit too personally. They're different systems, and some people won't like the style of one or the other.

 

But this is what I agree with. The poster I first replied to pointed out the 7800's faults, but made it sound like it was completely crippled and ignored its strengths. The problem I had and part of the reason I was so annoyed at atariski is that he completely ignored part of my posts and assumed I didn't like or know about some things I liked or knew about. I'm aware that 7800 and Atari 8 bit computer line are different and have their own advantages, but I'm annoyed when someone assumes I don't love the 800 (which I do) becuase of postivie things I said about 7800 games.

 

Okay, cool then, and don't let atariski get to you. He just likes pushing everyone's buttons (or more likely just doesn't have the sense not to). Seriously, don't get sucked into all that.

 

ok cool. Thanks for the advice.

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  • 13 years later...

interestingly, i have a weird opinion, i always felt like out of the big 3 of the 3rd gen of consoles, the 7800 had the most "Early 80's Home-Computer Energy" of any of the consoles, like just the mix of library, asthetics, controllers, etc just kinda felt really nice as a bridge between the two worlds :)

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I love the potential of the 7800 Maria sprite chip, but yet coming from an Atari 8-bit, playing many 7800 titles was a let down. Sound is a huge problem.   Just because it allowed developers to include a pokey on cart doesn't count for much if few games actually did.   Some games still manage to better on the Atari 8-bit even though they shouldn't.

I feel like the 7800 needed more work,  it wasn't worth killing the 5200 for in its current form.

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10 hours ago, zzip said:

I love the potential of the 7800 Maria sprite chip, but yet coming from an Atari 8-bit, playing many 7800 titles was a let down. Sound is a huge problem.   Just because it allowed developers to include a pokey on cart doesn't count for much if few games actually did.   Some games still manage to better on the Atari 8-bit even though they shouldn't.

I feel like the 7800 needed more work,  it wasn't worth killing the 5200 for in its current form.

I would feel the same way in 1985. Today there is no comparison between a8/5200 and 7800. 7800 blows it away when you look at the new homebrews. 

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Luckily I have both a 7800 and an Atari 8-bit computer.  If there was some reason that I could choose to only play one system, the A8 has the better library.

 

The A8 has almost all the Atari published arcade classics that the 2600/7800 got. Granted, non are on par with 7800 Centipede, Food Fight, Dig Dug, Ms Pac-Man and Asteroids, but most are better than the 2600 versions.  There are also a few Atari published A8 exclusive that never came to the 2600/7800. The A8 also received a large chunk of the classic Activision and Parker Brothers 2600 games, along with a few other companies from back then, like Sega, Imagic, etc.

 

Then there is all the awesome A8 3rd party games from SSI, Electronic Arts, Datasoft, Origin, Activision Home Computers, Access, Infocom, Epyx/Lucasfilm Games, Synapse, Broderbund, Avalon Hill, Microprose, etc.  The 7800 only received a handful of ports from those companies.

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On 5/27/2024 at 7:41 AM, zzip said:

I love the potential of the 7800 Maria sprite chip, but yet coming from an Atari 8-bit, playing many 7800 titles was a let down. Sound is a huge problem.   Just because it allowed developers to include a pokey on cart doesn't count for much if few games actually did.   Some games still manage to better on the Atari 8-bit even though they shouldn't.

I feel like the 7800 needed more work,  it wasn't worth killing the 5200 for in its current form.

Pokey should have been included from the get go. Or, as an option on a little card that could be plugged into a slot or under a cover someplace. I say card, so that it could be in a plastic case like an N64 ram pack or something, as the general population couldn't be trusted to plug a large DIP into a socket underneath.

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3 minutes ago, Zonie said:

Pokey should have been included from the get go. Or, as an option on a little card that could be plugged into a slot or under a cover someplace. I say card, so that it could be in a plastic case like an N64 ram pack or something, as the general population couldn't be trusted to plug a large DIP into a socket underneath.

It should have been on-board because we know how these 'optional' accessories go...   Most developers don't support them!  :)

 

Ideally it should have been something better than a Pokey to stay competitive,  but a Pokey would be a vast improvement over what it had.

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