Tursi Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I'd say rename .bin to .arc and try to unarc it using ARC303G... I seem to remember that I had to do that... maybe. If that doesn't work, let me know... I'll try to find my copy, zip it up, and send it over. Why rename it? Classic99 doesn't care about extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tursi Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Which is it? R or RC? "R" means define registers (ie: you want to use, for instance, "R1" instead of just "1" in your code) "C" means write a compressed object code - the resulting file is binary rather than text and about 1/4 the size, but can't be loaded in XB. "L" means to write a listing file (to whatever device or filename you enter in the next line) Those are the only ones I ever used, I think there are more. Check the Editor/Assembler manual for more details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 i can believe it Xcom was on ebay....http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.sys.ti/2007-11/msg00005.html... and no trace nowhere. SST look also very interesting, i'm trying to put it on disk, and try with real hardware... i installed omniflop, but my old 5 1/4 floppy don't work. I tryed to connect the TI99 one, it looks working ( starting under windows ), but reconize nothing. Opry99er, how did u installed a 3 1/2 in TI99 ? you remplaced some circuit in disk controller ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 i can believe it Xcom was on ebay....http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.sys.ti/2007-11/msg00005.html... and no trace nowhere. Daaamn. Stupid ebay won't us view this listing to find the owner. Grrrr. Maybe Ben Yates knows about this? He's still around, right? Hey buddy... you should make up a little vid of your program running at BASIC speed and then at assembly speed. =) Kind of a before-after kind of thing... How fast is it? Unplayable? I like that kind of stuff. Unplayable. However, some of the stuff I worked. For example, my keypress routine for selecting a level checks for key lifted before accepting another value. But once you get into the game loop, press a button and you're dead. TOO FAST. Think my call sounds in-game are negative, so, perhaps merely fixing that will help, but I suspect I'll need a delay of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Ok, here's my unplayable game. Not sure when I'll get time to slow it down, but it shouldn't be that much work. BloxAsmXB.zip BTW - I'm wondering - how much memory usage is generally available compared to BASIC... AKA - are compiled games smaller / larger in byte size to allow larger games to be created (although terribly difficult to debug). -H Edited February 24, 2011 by unhuman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Great... DLing now. =) Slow-down could be as simple as 2 or 3 delay loops within the game loop. I use this while doing my small assembly demos, like BABY STEPs... I had to set up a loop to slow it down. in BASIC, normally you'd use CALL SOUND, but since you're compiling it, CALL SOUND has the same 'durations' regardless of compiled or straight BASIC. Use the assembly technique in BASIC--- at least give it a shot. 10 SETTING UP CHARACTERS 20 DIM ARRAYS 50 BEGIN GAME LOOP 100 GAME CODE LOOP 120 GAME CODE LOOP 130 FOR I=1 TO 400 :: NEXT I !new part of code 140 GAME CODE LOOP 150 GAME CODE LOOP 160 FOR I=1 TO 400 :: NEXT I !new part of code 170 END GAME LOOP 180 SUB-PROGRAMS . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 Ok, here's my unplayable game. Not sure when I'll get time to slow it down, but it shouldn't be that much work. BloxAsmXB.zip BTW - I'm wondering - how much memory usage is generally available compared to BASIC... AKA - are compiled games smaller / larger in byte size to allow larger games to be created (although terribly difficult to debug). -H yes, it's very very fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) ok today i decided to search in my old disk, bec i was sure to have another compiler than the SST and Wilhelm's BASIC compiler. And i found one coded by Peter Krull. Somebody already tryed it ? Edited February 24, 2011 by rocky007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Nope--- never even heard of it. =) I DID find the XCom compiler manual, but (like you) could not find the program. Give me a half hour or so... I bet I can find it somewhere. =) BTW, the best way to deal with the WHT insanity is to find someone who DLed the torrent... they can search the entire WHT database in an instant using the PC's built in search engine... way better than beating your head against the wall trying to find anything on WHT. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Found this information from the depths of the FTP site... still looking for the actual program.... First Impressions of XCOM, a Basic/Xbasic Compiler from DKM Enterprises, p.O. Box 501046, Indianapolis IN 46250-1046.. . Well, I got it, I've mentioned it before here, this Basic/XB Compiler from "DKM". After some hints I got my wife to get it for me for Xmas. Considering that it's 49.95 this was quite a step on my behalf, getting an "untried" piece of software for a "you got to be the best thing since sliced bread price" in the TI world. The program comes on a "protected disk". I know there are many out there who would not get anything if it's protected. Actually, in this case I can almost live with the protection **** IF ***** the loader for the compiled programs were unprotected. In fact, just as there is now a fortran loader and quick-run loader released, it's absurd to not just release a loader into the public domain. As it turns out now, even after compiling your program, you still must use the "PROTECTED" disk to load your program. Totally unacceptable. It also uses either the MINIMEM or Editor/Assembler cart to compile or load the programs. I also found that it would not work with the Gram Kracker Utilities version of the E/A (E/A loaded with XB). XCOM also uses the RAM in the MINIMEM so larger programs can be compiled and run with it over the E/A. I assume, but do not know for sure, that a supercart would also help. . . Compilation involves saving your program in merge format. If Basic, there is a utility to allow you to save your programs in merge format using either the minimem or E/A carts with basic selected. To compile you use option 3 of e/a or 1 of minimem. The filename is "XCOM". It asks for a source name and a name for your compiled program. I found no problem using either the Myarc RAM Disk as DSK5 or the CC RAM disk on my second system as DSK3. Worked fine. ONE BIG ANNOYANCE I HAD WAS THE AUTO DEFAULT TO DSK1 FOR A WORK DISK! Need to have an unprotected disk in drive 1 for it to create a work file to use. It deletes it when it's done. I would much prefer the option to select a work drive. I would of course select a RAM disk drive #. The compiled programs are run using a "LOAD" program which much be first loaded using again option 3 of e/a or option 1 of minimem. When loading it obviously loads several utilities. The disk does not have to be in drive 1. I had it in drive 4. It keeps looking for a disk name obviously. Did that several times. Then you load your compiled program and off it runs. Quick, I must admit. Tried compiling several programs, found that it stumbled of things like "USING" and "IMAGE". It gave gave compilation errors with those. I tried it with a Basic calendar program I have. It MOVED!!!! Much faster I must admit. Tried it with an old Xbasic game called something like "SPACEPATRL". It ran much faster but seemed to have trouble defining the sprites. My sprites were just large letters. The joystick scan seemed to be much faster. There were very few missed "COINC" that Xbasic is famous for. . . The compiled code is D/F 80 and uncompressed. A 22 sector original program wound up as a 94 sector D/F 80 file. If a loader were available to be released into the public domain as it should, I would upload it with before and after files so you could see for yourself. . . The program needed to load the compiled code and the compiled code itself should be in program image format and the loader, at least, should be converted to work in XB, possibly by using a "SYSTEX" type aproach. The best approach would be where the utilities to run the compiled program and the compiled program itself would be combined in a "Program Image" format capable of being run from Option 5 of E/A or any other program image loader.. . I feel XCOM has alot of potential. It's an approach to the one utility that we are still hurting for. Mr Douglas Martin of DKM should talk to either Barry Traver of Genial Software or Chris Bobbit of Asgard Software. I had previously suggested to Mr Martin that he join Genie. If he has, he's never left a message. I suggested to him that he attend and give a demo at the TI Faire in Chicago. He never did. As I've said before, DKMs distribution capacity are poor even by orphan standards. I feel the marketing capacity of ASGARD software or Genial Software, plus the technical expertise that they could supply/get to aid Mr Martin. Could aid in turning XCOM into the next big seller in the TI world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) it's really pitty that i can't transfert it to PC for now... absolutly need to find a working 5 1/4 for my PC. For WHT, u can search easily in typing http instead of ftp : http://ftp.whtech.com/index.php , but anyway, with the word "compiler", i found only 1 compiler and user manual of SST & XCOM Else if, you can download the whole FTP easily, as it's a FTP just use FileZilla Edited February 24, 2011 by rocky007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 yep... but ftp transfers are slow. =) I put out a word to the yahoo group about this program--- we might get a pirated copy out of it. =) hahaaa.... kidding, jeez... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) protected disk on TI ? i even didn't knew it could exist on TI..i never had that type of disk it's maybe for this it's so rare... Edited February 24, 2011 by rocky007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 yep... but ftp transfers are slow. =) I put out a word to the yahoo group about this program--- we might get a pirated copy out of it. =) hahaaa.... kidding, jeez... bah leave your FTP client download at night, and in morning it will be finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I might try that... my ftp client is sloooooooooow though... 15k/sec at best. Don't know why it's so slow--- my connection is fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Hey Rocky-- are you IN France? If so, I'd like to ask you a favor. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 I might try that... my ftp client is sloooooooooow though... 15k/sec at best. Don't know why it's so slow--- my connection is fast. yes, in upload normally it's slow, but normally, if not restrict on FTP, it's quite faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 Hey Rocky-- are you IN France? If so, I'd like to ask you a favor. =) in belgium, france is 40km from my home tell me what can i do for you ? By the way, so pic of the compiler of Peter Kull ( the same programmer than Dos99 ) Unfortunally, all the doc is in german, need to convert on PC and translate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky007 Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 and the directory of the disk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 BTW, the best way to deal with the WHT insanity is to find someone who DLed the torrent... they can search the entire WHT database in an instant using the PC's built in search engine... way better than beating your head against the wall trying to find anything on WHT. =) Can't get the torrent anymore. How big is the archive? Shouldn't it pretty much fit on a single DVD or 2? I'd love to have a copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Find me a Jupiter Ace. . They just don't exist in the states at all. I needs me one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 BTW, the best way to deal with the WHT insanity is to find someone who DLed the torrent... they can search the entire WHT database in an instant using the PC's built in search engine... way better than beating your head against the wall trying to find anything on WHT. =) Can't get the torrent anymore. How big is the archive? Shouldn't it pretty much fit on a single DVD or 2? I'd love to have a copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Find me a Jupiter Ace. . They just don't exist in the states at all. I needs me one. This? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry99er Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 That's the one!!! Z80 assembler and runs Forth as it's native language, instead of BASIC. It's freaking awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) Ok - I've updated BloxoTIz to be compiled. Everything seems to work... Even found a bug in the compiler! BloxoTIz What I had to do: 1. Insert a delay (1 to 750) in the game loop. 2. Increase the sound length when scrolling level data... It was too fast 3. Detect key state logic by myself. the "S" in the CALL KEY(1, K, S) doesn't work properly. The K is fine. I use this to prevent flipping back and forth repeatedly when your block is split. Everything else was pretty much fine. What I might do at some point: 1. Come up with a way to make the game more responsive to input. You have to hold the joystick down for a bit for it to act... Sort of like basic, but here it feels more wrong & unnatural. I probably could put the joystick detection in the delay loop - and just remember what was done (in case the joystick was released). Anyhow, enjoy! Edited February 26, 2011 by unhuman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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