PSN Outage

[Reaperman]

Part of me would really like to buy that Porsche 914 DLC for Shift 2 when the store comes back up, but I'm still having a lot of trouble feeling sorry for Sony. Either PSN being hacked into dust, or resuming full functionality with freebies would provide me with more entertainment than I've got now--I don't really care which happens. That's actually a considerably more positive position than I've taken toward PS3 lately.

 

With Sony's extremely public hacking, and equally public updates to network security, PSN is going to be under every hacker's microscope for a while. It's currently the grand prize of hacking, and I can't say I'm too surprised. Sad what was done to PBS though. I haven't seen the entire frontline episode, but what I saw seemed pretty interesting. The stream started breaking up about 10 min into my viewing as (I'm guessing) too many others were trying to watch it.

Edited June 1, 2011 by Reaperman

[Tr3vor]

Remember, with "an eye for an eye", everyone will be blind.

[cimerians]

Is linux really that important on a PS3?

It is when it was something that was sold to us and then taken away.

 

When Other OS comes back to PS3s, then I'll stop supporting the hackers.

 

Sony came into my home and stole functionality from me. I literally scrounged up and paid $500 for that functionality while working a minimum wage part time job during college. People like me have a justification for being upset.

 

And there are other reasons, but we've already been through them a zillion times. The bottom line here is that Sony came into our homes via the internet and took away functionality from my PS3 console. The fact that some jackass executive decided to play games with my functionality, do a cost/benefit analysis of the benefits to their profits vs. the costs of stealing something I paid for, and then go through with the theft of my Other OS functionality brings my blood to a boil. Granted, it's not quite Pinto Memo bad, but it's still no trivial matter.

 

I have absolutely zero sympathy for Sony in these hacking situations.

 

At this point in the game I COMPLETELY disagree with you. When your hacking into a service with millions of customers personal information thats not doing anybody any good.

 

Thats not cool.

 

In fact they had access to my credit card info and my personal info. I was affected by it. Not cool. In fact I'm fucking pissed.

 

They can hack Sony.com and put a splash gag page up I dont care. I dont have sympathy for Sony. But to hack into millions of users personal info and bring down a service that I fucking use is not cool. In fact its criminal.

 

Fuck them.

 

(I think I pretty much pointed out my final unwavering stance on the subject)

 

This isnt cool to do. Good hackers know that as a fact.

Edited June 1, 2011 by cimerians

[SoulBlazer]

+1 for that well said post, cimerians.

 

Granted, I have a 360 and not a PS3 -- Microsoft embraces people who want to make indie games, not punishes them. If I did have a PS3, I'd be totally agreeing with you by this point.

[Tr3vor]

You know, the hackers not only started a war with sony, but with the whole ps3 owning community. How many people cheered when the psn went down? maybe 1 or 2, but everyone else was pissed.

 

also, to add to cimerians's argument, they hacked the psn down, and I'm affected by it. I bought Uncharted 2 the day before the PSN went down, and by the time I finished single player, I was ready to play some multiplayer, but no, the psn was down. I was finnaly able to play it about a week or two ago. That was Bullshit.

[Chuplayer]

Is linux really that important on a PS3?

It is when it was something that was sold to us and then taken away.

 

When Other OS comes back to PS3s, then I'll stop supporting the hackers.

 

Sony came into my home and stole functionality from me. I literally scrounged up and paid $500 for that functionality while working a minimum wage part time job during college. People like me have a justification for being upset.

 

And there are other reasons, but we've already been through them a zillion times. The bottom line here is that Sony came into our homes via the internet and took away functionality from my PS3 console. The fact that some jackass executive decided to play games with my functionality, do a cost/benefit analysis of the benefits to their profits vs. the costs of stealing something I paid for, and then go through with the theft of my Other OS functionality brings my blood to a boil. Granted, it's not quite Pinto Memo bad, but it's still no trivial matter.

 

I have absolutely zero sympathy for Sony in these hacking situations.

 

At this point in the game I COMPLETELY disagree with you. When your hacking into a service with millions of customers personal information thats not doing anybody any good.

 

Thats not cool.

 

In fact they had access to my credit card info and my personal info. I was affected by it. Not cool. In fact I'm fucking pissed.

 

They can hack Sony.com and put a splash gag page up I dont care. I dont have sympathy for Sony. But to hack into millions of users personal info and bring down a service that I fucking use is not cool. In fact its criminal.

 

Fuck them.

 

(I think I pretty much pointed out my final unwavering stance on the subject)

 

This isnt cool to do. Good hackers know that as a fact.

I am also upset that the personal information and whatnot got stolen. However, it was Sony that stole Other OS from me. The personal information was just a casualty. The lack of access to the PSN is a casualty. Casualties happen.

[godslabrat]

I am also upset that the personal information and whatnot got stolen. However, it was Sony that stole Other OS from me. The personal information was just a casualty. The lack of access to the PSN is a casualty. Casualties happen.

 

Well, to get technical about it (and I do not agree with this logic, but I bring it up because it will be used as Sony's defense if they're ever called out on it) Sony didn't STEAL OtherOS from you. Sony issued a firmware update that removed it, and gave you the choice to install it or not. You were informed that you would lose OtherOS, but if you didn't install the firmware, you wouldn't be able to use PSN or download game patches... rendering your system useless for anything online. So yes, Sony did give you the option... an absolutely terrible option, but an option nonetheless.

 

Now, to step out of Devil's Advocate Mode and back into my own perspective, Sony was WAY out of line with the OtherOS decision. Agreement or not, I agree that you shouldn't be able to take a way a product's feature after it's been sold. Sony was STUPID for allowing OtherOS in the first place, because anyone with a basic understanding of computers would know it offered the consumer a chance to access the hardware in ways Sony didn't want. Nevertheless, they DID offer OtherOS, so if they didn't like what people were doing with it, they have zero room to complain. Griping about unauthorized development when you've *provided* the platform on which to do said development is the second STUPID move on Sony's part. There were many, many more STUPID things they've done, right up until today when they're refusing to acknowledge their failures... and actually are still trying really, really hard to not acknowledge anything bad actually happened.

 

STUPID.

 

I am astonished at how Sony can continue to act as if the industry must be made to suit them, rather than they try to be competitive within the industry. Nintendo, at their most controlling and anti-competitive point, could not hold a candle to the way Sony has tried to screw everyone over since the release of the PS3.

 

I am just floored by the level of greed combined with incompetence.

[Reaperman]

You were informed that you would lose OtherOS, but if you didn't install the firmware, you wouldn't be able to use PSN or download game patches... rendering your system useless for anything online. So yes, Sony did give you the option... an absolutely terrible option, but an option nonetheless.

 

Did certain games also require firmware update? Gran Turismo 5 comes to mind, with firmware v3.50. I can't remember specifics about what was up in that case, since I upgraded right away, but it would suck to have to choose between advertised features. I also think patches might work with just internet connectivity (PSN not required). Even with PSN down, I've been able to update disc games.

Edited June 1, 2011 by Reaperman

[cimerians]

I'm the most reasonable bastard on the planet but I do get pissed

 

Sony messed up by including the OtherOS in there to begin with. I posted a thread years ago on AtariAge how cool it was to legally put linux on it (I used Yellow dog) and possibly play emulators on it. I thought it was a nice feature but something I could definitely live without when they yanked it. It doesnt make it right at all but they did it. Does it make it right to do the same thing and hack PSN where you are affecting millions of other users? Who knows what some jackass will do with the info. It pains me to say but I trust Sony more with my data than I do some unknown hacker community.

 

Screw that.

 

They hacked PSN, made their point to Sony and yet they want to hack PSN again? I dont think so guys.

Edited June 1, 2011 by cimerians

[Chuplayer]

You were informed that you would lose OtherOS, but if you didn't install the firmware, you wouldn't be able to use PSN or download game patches... rendering your system useless for anything online. So yes, Sony did give you the option... an absolutely terrible option, but an option nonetheless.

 

Did certain games also require firmware update? Gran Turismo 5 comes to mind, with firmware v3.50. I can't remember specifics about what was up in that case, since I upgraded right away, but it would suck to have to choose between advertised features. I also think patches might work with just internet connectivity (PSN not required). Even with PSN down, I've been able to update disc games.

Yes, that, too. So it was either Sony stealing Other OS or preventing me from playing new games and accessing PSN content. I was screwed either way, and by choosing to update, Sony did indeed steal functionality from me.

 

And I'm less upset about the hackers having my personal information and stuff and more upset with the fact that the protections Sony put in place were beyond insufficient and irresponsibly awful. Like I said, the fact that hackers got in is a casualty. The way Sony has conducted themselves doesn't help their status in my view.

 

And the millions without PSN access? Well, the people who appreciated Other OS may not number quite that many, but our claims to the continued accessibility of Other OS are no less legitimate. Hackers may have wronged the millions, but Sony themselves wronged me and every other person who spent money on the console for the purposes, in part or in full, of Other OS.

[Tr3vor]

who would buy a video game console for PC functionality? Hackers, pretty much.

 

sony did a stupid, putting otheros in there. That was an easy way of hacking the ps3, but Sony didn't want that. so when they took it away, it just pissed off the hackers.

 

Fuck off hackers, go make homebrew on the pc or hack the pentagon or whatever the fuck.

Edited June 1, 2011 by Tr3vor

[BDW]

who would buy a video game console for PC functionality?

The Air Force and astrophysicists.

Edited June 1, 2011 by brandondwright

[Austin]

who would buy a video game console for PC functionality?

 

 

You never cease to amaze me...

[Chuplayer]

sony did a stupid, putting otheros in there. That was an easy way of hacking the ps3

Actually, it wasn't. The straw that broke the camel's back was an extensive hardware hack that, while utilizing Other OS, barely worked.

 

Up until that point, Sony had people jumping through their own buttholes in order to exploit the system. Nobody even considered the comparative simplicity of the key fiasco until Sony removed Other OS.

[TheGameCollector]

I dont care about online play. I just want the PSN store up so I can buy the download exclusives.

 

Or better yet? Why don't these stupid hackers do something useful and pirate all the download exclusives so at least they will be preserved and useable long after the PS3's lifespan?

Edited June 2, 2011 by TheGameCollector

[moycon]

Sony themselves wronged me and every other person who spent money on the console for the purposes, in part or in full, of Other OS.

 

You and the rest of the people who bought the PS3 for that reason could be compared to a squirt of piss in a pool.

(No I'm not saying you personally are piss, I'm illustrating you're in an extreme minority.)

Hackers don't care that millions of people have been screwed because of other hackers, and the masses don't care that the small handful of people who gave a shit about OtherOS got it taken away, and yes that includes the Air Force.

There now everyone's even.

 

I just wish Sony would get their store back online...jeeze, how many days are we up to now?

[Chuplayer]

Sony themselves wronged me and every other person who spent money on the console for the purposes, in part or in full, of Other OS.

 

You and the rest of the people who bought the PS3 for that reason could be compared to a squirt of piss in a pool.

(No I'm not saying you personally are piss, I'm illustrating you're in an extreme minority.)

And I don't give a damn. They stole my functionality. They're getting their just desserts. Karma. I hope they either restore Other OS or completely cancel the Playstation brand due to these hacking shenanigans. The hackers might not be right, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't rooting for them. Nobody else is coming to my aid, and sometimes a hero is a person who blurs the line between right and wrong.

Edited June 2, 2011 by Chuplayer

[moycon]

It amazes me the people who come out of the woodwork explaining how hackers don't technically or legally steal anything.... but yeah Sony stole from you. I think that makes sense in some, world revolving all around the hackers way.

[Chuplayer]

It amazes me the people who come out of the woodwork explaining how hackers don't technically or legally steal anything....

 

I never said that. That's one of those line blurring things.

 

but yeah Sony stole from you.

 

Did I have Other OS support on my PS3 previously? Yes. Do I currently have Other OS support on my PS3? No.

 

Well, I do now because I installed CFW, but I didn't for a while.

[godslabrat]

Sony themselves wronged me and every other person who spent money on the console for the purposes, in part or in full, of Other OS.

 

You and the rest of the people who bought the PS3 for that reason could be compared to a squirt of piss in a pool.

(No I'm not saying you personally are piss, I'm illustrating you're in an extreme minority.)

And I don't give a damn. They stole my functionality. They're getting their just desserts. Karma. I hope they either restore Other OS or completely cancel the Playstation brand due to these hacking shenanigans. The hackers might not be right, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't rooting for them. Nobody else is coming to my aid, and sometimes a hero is a person who blurs the line between right and wrong.

 

To me, it's not relevant what percentage of their customer base is getting screwed by Sony. Fact is, they're getting screwed. Yes, it's a very small number of people, and yes, Sony is going to get away with it. That doesn't make it right.

 

I'm not trying to start some moral crusade against Sony over this, but I don't think we should dismiss the people who are affected by Sony's actions. Giving a company the right to remove a feature after it's been sold is an awful precedent. We're not talking about Sony removing the feature on future models, or ending support for the feature on their end... they actively removed the feature from the products that were in use by their customers. Sony sold these PS3s with the feature, took the money, and now that they took the feature back... did they return any of the money? No.

 

I"m not in any way supporting the hackers. And if you were a user of PSN, this really does suck and you have my sympathy. Sony, on the other hand, is in a dilemma entirely of their own creation, so I do take some delight in seeing them sweat.

[Chuplayer]

I never said it was right for the hackers to do what they're doing, and I feel for the people affected. I'm one of them. However, this is as right as it's probably going to get.

[Ite]

PSN Store is back up yay!

[HammR25]

Is it just me or is the free stuff not available yet? I ask if it's just me because I changed the email address on my account after it came back. I wanted to make sure they weren't screwing me because I changed my email address because they let someone have the old one.

[Reaperman]

This is good news. I've got some download codes that I've been wanting to cash which I'm hoping aren't expired yet.

 

I guess it makes sense not to load the "we're sorry, but only for the inconvenience" games right away. It'd kill performance on the newly resurrected network, especially when combined with the backlog of new stuff. Has any of that new content hit yet, or we still looking at april's PSN store?

 

Even if spaced out, I don't know if there's much that can be done about load on the store when those games hit.

 

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I don't think anybody really liked the hacking of user accounts. I do like that Sony got kicked in the nuts, but I realize that as a user, my junk caught a lot of it too, and for an extended period of time. Users are just going to catch it from all sides in a situation like this.

 

Sony's been favoring the unfounded, slow-moving lawsuit lately, and I think that would have been a much better way to attack them. Equipment seizures, temporary restraining orders, bring everything out into the public arena. Drag it out for 3 years, and after we lose, give their their evidence back to them in tiny little baggies. It's probably not the best definition of 'justice,' but at least it would have been mostly above board. Yes, that plan still heavily dumps on users, but it's more useful in that its the only way to get any more info out of them than the few press releases that we've all read.

Edited June 2, 2011 by Reaperman

[Gibbersan]

Is it just me or is the free stuff not available yet? I ask if it's just me because I changed the email address on my account after it came back. I wanted to make sure they weren't screwing me because I changed my email address because they let someone have the old one.

Over on the Playstation blog, they do mention this:

The PlayStation Store is back online and thank you everyone for your patience. You will notice a huge lineup of new downloadable games' date=' demos, add-on content, themes, avatars and videos. Also, PlayStation Plus has been updated with new full game trials, free games and DLC, free avatars and even more discounts.

 

You may have noticed that the content promised as part of the Welcome Back offer is not yet live. It is currently in the final stages of testing and will be available to download soon; we’ll be sure to let you know when.

 

The next PlayStation Store and PlayStation Plus update will be this Friday, June 3, and then we will roll right into some special publishes starting next week for E3 (so be sure to check back daily!). [/quote']So, free stuff not quite available yet.