PSN Outage

[cimerians]

The first day it was announced that their network could have been hacked me and my close friend did the same thing. We simply picked up the phone, called our CC company and had them send us a new card. (Which means the account is immediately closed and a new account opened and the card mailed to you).

 

Take no chances.

 

Underball:

There's different types of hackers. Those that hack for fun. Those that hack to steal and some that do both.

 

In this case they should be jailed.

 

I think when they announced that they were physically moving locations that maybe it was something internal or maybe ex employee's etc.

 

If I may add:

The thing that really fires me up is that its always a sorry and nothing else.

Just like the Capcom\Sony emails way back asking for my money back. (The Final Fight DRM). Both companies were blaming each other and then all I got was sorry no refunds.

 

I haven't really turned on my PS3 at all except to watch movies. Sad. It's a pretty sweet machine. I hate the bastards who run the show though. Kaz Hirai is a good example of a Sony stooge.

Edited May 3, 2011 by cimerians

[Underball]

The first day it was announced that their network could have been hacked me and my close friend did the same thing. We simply picked up the phone, called our CC company and had them send us a new card. (Which means the account is immediately closed and a new account opened and the card mailed to you).

 

Take no chances.

 

Underball:

There's different types of hackers. Those that hack for fun. Those that hack to steal and some that do both.

 

In this case they should be jailed.

 

I think when they announced that they were physically moving locations that maybe it was something internal or maybe ex employee's etc.

Yes, there are different types of hackers. And just like with all kinds of people, the ratio of benevolent to vindictive is about on par with anything else. the vast majority just like to learn how it all works. It's a knowledge quest, with no ill or criminal intentions. It's about learning, figuring it all out. Reverse engineering. What they do is akin to stealing a grape from the produce section of a supermarket.

 

Whereas the hackers who do so with the intent to steal or other damaging criminal activity - are the extreme minority. But like any other kind of moral prejudice, the mostly ignorant populace only sees the bad (or worse - what they see or read in the news, which is slanted and woefully uninformed), and paints the entire lot of them with the same brush. Not unlike racism, sexism, or class warfare.

 

Hackers (Geohot) jailbroke the iPhone. The US Justice Department agreed with them.

[cimerians]

The first day it was announced that their network could have been hacked me and my close friend did the same thing. We simply picked up the phone, called our CC company and had them send us a new card. (Which means the account is immediately closed and a new account opened and the card mailed to you).

 

Take no chances.

 

Underball:

There's different types of hackers. Those that hack for fun. Those that hack to steal and some that do both.

 

In this case they should be jailed.

 

I think when they announced that they were physically moving locations that maybe it was something internal or maybe ex employee's etc.

Yes, there are different types of hackers. And just like with all kinds of people, the ratio of benevolent to vindictive is about on par with anything else. the vast majority just like to learn how it all works. It's a knowledge quest, with no ill or criminal intentions. It's about learning, figuring it all out. Reverse engineering. What they do is akin to stealing a grape from the produce section of a supermarket.

 

Whereas the hackers who do so with the intent to steal or other damaging criminal activity - are the extreme minority. But like any other kind of moral prejudice, the mostly ignorant populace only sees the bad (or worse - what they see or read in the news, which is slanted and woefully uninformed), and paints the entire lot of them with the same brush. Not unlike racism, sexism, or class warfare.

 

Hackers (Geohot) jailbroke the iPhone. The US Justice Department agreed with them.

 

I can see what your saying...if some ex-Sony staff did it then I have a feeling they really don't care about stealing anything except possibly to cause some grief to management. Which I dont mind actually. Last week I really was hoping that the grand puppet would be axed, Kaz Hirai. Ken Kutaragi is probably laughing at the whole thing. He became a Kaz Hirai though before he got the axe from Sony so I cant say that I liked him either in his later years.

(They dont really fire big wigs in Japan, they usually have them "take another role" and later gracefully leave. I work for a Japanese printing press company)

 

I bet there is some strife from within. I have to admit. Being a tech myself, if management came to me and said..."remove the OtherOS and PS2 chip from future consoles" I would be like "What? Are you nuts?"

[Underball]

The first day it was announced that their network could have been hacked me and my close friend did the same thing. We simply picked up the phone, called our CC company and had them send us a new card. (Which means the account is immediately closed and a new account opened and the card mailed to you).

 

Take no chances.

 

Underball:

There's different types of hackers. Those that hack for fun. Those that hack to steal and some that do both.

 

In this case they should be jailed.

 

I think when they announced that they were physically moving locations that maybe it was something internal or maybe ex employee's etc.

Yes, there are different types of hackers. And just like with all kinds of people, the ratio of benevolent to vindictive is about on par with anything else. the vast majority just like to learn how it all works. It's a knowledge quest, with no ill or criminal intentions. It's about learning, figuring it all out. Reverse engineering. What they do is akin to stealing a grape from the produce section of a supermarket.

 

Whereas the hackers who do so with the intent to steal or other damaging criminal activity - are the extreme minority. But like any other kind of moral prejudice, the mostly ignorant populace only sees the bad (or worse - what they see or read in the news, which is slanted and woefully uninformed), and paints the entire lot of them with the same brush. Not unlike racism, sexism, or class warfare.

 

Hackers (Geohot) jailbroke the iPhone. The US Justice Department agreed with them.

 

I can see what your saying...if some ex-Sony staff did it then I have a feeling they really don't care about stealing anything except possibly to cause some grief to management. Which I dont mind actually. Last week I really was hoping that the grand puppet would be axed, Kaz Hirai. Ken Kutaragi is probably laughing at the whole thing. He became a Kaz Hirai though before he got the axe from Sony so I cant say that I liked him either in his later years.

(They dont really fire big wigs in Japan, they usually have them "take another role" and later gracefully leave. I work for a Japanese printing press company)

 

I bet there is some strife from within. I have to admit. Being a tech myself, if management came to me and said..."remove the OtherOS and PS2 chip from future consoles" I would be like "What? Are you nuts?"

Well the story goes that they were operating from a rented out AT&T data center in southern California, but were planning on moving the entire operation to a larger, Sony owned facility. And the Layoffs were all the techs who worked at the AT&T location who were no longer needed. But it came to them as a shock, rather than a planned thing. They strung them along and only took a few figureheads with them to the new facility. So when the about to be laid off staff found out, a plan was hatched to throw a monkey wrench into the works. And the timing of "Anon"'s DDOS attack in support of Geohot the week before was just the sort of covering fire they needed to pull it off and have the blame be directed elsewhere. That's why Sony was completely clueless as to what happened, and were not able to get things back online expediently. Only someone with deep tech knowledge of their internal infrastructure and backup systems could take them out and KEEP them out this long.

 

I just find it hilarious that certain people on this site, and elsewhere on the internet think this was the work of homebrewers running emulators, and dudes downloading pirated backups off torrent sites.

[+wood_jl]

I don't want your damn PS+ or your damn free games! What I want is for you to pay for one or two years of credit monitoring by a recognized and reputable firm in regards to the CC I had on file with you.

 

That would be nice. But even that's not enough, really.

 

When *any* organization gets hacked - or is SIMPLY CARELESS (laptop is stolen loaded with personal information), sometimes they offer 1 or 2 years of credit monitoring. So what about year 3 (and beyond)? When hundreds of thousands of people's information is stolen, the thieves have a cornucopia from which they may draw, for an indeterminate period of time. It may take them years to wade through it and rip people off.

 

What's needed is MONETARY COMPENSATION to compensate people for having to re-issue credit cards, re-do billing (all that stuff you just talked about having to do), as well as credit monitoring for an indeterminate period of time. Where are the lawyers on this one? All of these careless organizations are getting away without having to incur the long-term costs of their incompetence or carelessness. A few big-time lawsuits would be nice, to finally force these organizations to guard people's information with the vigilance with which they should have used to protect it, in the first place.

(My folks' info was "possibly" compromised by a state government in which they both retired from.)

Edited May 3, 2011 by wood_jl

[HatefulGravey]

Playstation is Lame! Who wants to buy my ps2 standup kiosk with three tier metal backing. Full of promotional posters and all?

 

I would love to, but alas I am poor.

 

This has all gotten really silly. I'm starting to wonder if Sony knows just how much money this is going to end up costing them. I haven't heard anything about them doing anything to help the people they put out because of all of this. Nothing about the people with personal infomation stolen, or the people that pay to play certain games. They should do something to make people think they give a crap about the people that buy their hardware. It doesn't have to be much, but a little something goes a long way when these things happen.

 

I also wonder how much less bandwidth the ISPs around the world are having to put out as a result of this.

[Mendon]

Well the story goes that they were operating from a rented out AT&T data center in southern California, but were planning on moving the entire operation to a larger, Sony owned facility. And the Layoffs were all the techs who worked at the AT&T location who were no longer needed. But it came to them as a shock, rather than a planned thing. They strung them along and only took a few figureheads with them to the new facility. So when the about to be laid off staff found out, a plan was hatched to throw a monkey wrench into the works. And the timing of "Anon"'s DDOS attack in support of Geohot the week before was just the sort of covering fire they needed to pull it off and have the blame be directed elsewhere. That's why Sony was completely clueless as to what happened, and were not able to get things back online expediently. Only someone with deep tech knowledge of their internal infrastructure and backup systems could take them out and KEEP them out this long.

 

 

Can you post a link to where your info is coming from? I've checked Yahoo, AOL, and several gaming sites and see no stories reporting this.

 

 

Mendon

[HatefulGravey]

Well the story goes that they were operating from a rented out AT&T data center in southern California, but were planning on moving the entire operation to a larger, Sony owned facility. And the Layoffs were all the techs who worked at the AT&T location who were no longer needed. But it came to them as a shock, rather than a planned thing. They strung them along and only took a few figureheads with them to the new facility. So when the about to be laid off staff found out, a plan was hatched to throw a monkey wrench into the works. And the timing of "Anon"'s DDOS attack in support of Geohot the week before was just the sort of covering fire they needed to pull it off and have the blame be directed elsewhere. That's why Sony was completely clueless as to what happened, and were not able to get things back online expediently. Only someone with deep tech knowledge of their internal infrastructure and backup systems could take them out and KEEP them out this long.

 

 

Can you post a link to where your info is coming from? I've checked Yahoo, AOL, and several gaming sites and see no stories reporting this.

 

 

Mendon

 

Anything to make it look like homebrewers had nothing to do with this.

[HammR25]

The only thing I could find is here:

 

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/psn-hack-inside-job-85869/

[Underball]

The only thing I could find is here:

 

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/psn-hack-inside-job-85869/

And more over here:

 

http://ps3.dashhacks.com/2011/05/02/psn-hack-inside-job

[Underball]

Well the story goes that they were operating from a rented out AT&T data center in southern California, but were planning on moving the entire operation to a larger, Sony owned facility. And the Layoffs were all the techs who worked at the AT&T location who were no longer needed. But it came to them as a shock, rather than a planned thing. They strung them along and only took a few figureheads with them to the new facility. So when the about to be laid off staff found out, a plan was hatched to throw a monkey wrench into the works. And the timing of "Anon"'s DDOS attack in support of Geohot the week before was just the sort of covering fire they needed to pull it off and have the blame be directed elsewhere. That's why Sony was completely clueless as to what happened, and were not able to get things back online expediently. Only someone with deep tech knowledge of their internal infrastructure and backup systems could take them out and KEEP them out this long.

 

 

Can you post a link to where your info is coming from? I've checked Yahoo, AOL, and several gaming sites and see no stories reporting this.

 

 

Mendon

 

Google is pretty amazing what it can find.

 

http://www.google.com/search?q=psn+hack+inside+job&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

http://www.nextgenupdate.com/forums/playstation-3-general/386263-psn-hack-inside-job.html

 

http://shockwavelounge.blogspot.com/2011/05/was-psn-hack-inside-job.html

 

http://brutalgamer.com/2011/04/29/wild-speculation-was-the-psn-hack-an-inside-job/

 

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1143457

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2714173/posts

 

http://n4g.com/news/755690/psn-and-soe-attacks-an-inside-job

Edited May 3, 2011 by Underball

[Underball]

Well the story goes that they were operating from a rented out AT&T data center in southern California, but were planning on moving the entire operation to a larger, Sony owned facility. And the Layoffs were all the techs who worked at the AT&T location who were no longer needed. But it came to them as a shock, rather than a planned thing. They strung them along and only took a few figureheads with them to the new facility. So when the about to be laid off staff found out, a plan was hatched to throw a monkey wrench into the works. And the timing of "Anon"'s DDOS attack in support of Geohot the week before was just the sort of covering fire they needed to pull it off and have the blame be directed elsewhere. That's why Sony was completely clueless as to what happened, and were not able to get things back online expediently. Only someone with deep tech knowledge of their internal infrastructure and backup systems could take them out and KEEP them out this long.

 

 

Can you post a link to where your info is coming from? I've checked Yahoo, AOL, and several gaming sites and see no stories reporting this.

 

 

Mendon

 

Anything to make it look like homebrewers had nothing to do with this.

Still all butthurt from me not being nice enough to you in a PM? I thought you had me on ignore? Liar.

Edited May 3, 2011 by Underball

[Reaperman]

I've been hearing the 'inside job' rumors from ps3-hacks. I haven't seen anything that I consider a strong confirmation that it's what happened, but it certainly is, at the very least, quite the coincidence. (not that I would ever expect sony confirmation of that either)

 

If I were in those shoes, I wouldn't have done it. Not because I'm 'above' stealing user data, or some other moral objection, but simply because it would make me the easiest target of a high-profile criminal investigation. The absolute top spot on a huge list of people with a beefs against Sony. Even innocent, I'd hate to be at the top of that police-harassment list.

Edited May 3, 2011 by Reaperman

[HatefulGravey]

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The triple post, very impressive.

 

There are all kinds of rumors going around about who started this. After reading that quote Mendon posted I started looking around a bit and found a bunch of crazy people making all kinds of statements about this deal. I can't see how Sony is going to find these people, much less prove they did this in a court of law. If they are good enough to pull this I would hope they are good enough to know how to hide who they are while they do it.

 

Its not really Sony the people that did this need to worry about anyway, its the angry PS3 owners. Even worse, the people that play CoD on PSN. Lord, my brother only plays CoD on 360, if that went away like this he might just snap. I would hate to run into an angry mob of FPS fans is I was the asshat that killed PSN.

[Underball]

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The triple post, very impressive.

 

There are all kinds of rumors going around about who started this. After reading that quote Mendon posted I started looking around a bit and found a bunch of crazy people making all kinds of statements about this deal. I can't see how Sony is going to find these people, much less prove they did this in a court of law. If they are good enough to pull this I would hope they are good enough to know how to hide who they are while they do it.

 

Its not really Sony the people that did this need to worry about anyway, its the angry PS3 owners. Even worse, the people that play CoD on PSN. Lord, my brother only plays CoD on 360, if that went away like this he might just snap. I would hate to run into an angry mob of FPS fans is I was the asshat that killed PSN.

So I guess your irrational anger issues over silly internet video gaming opinoins, and the emotional turmoil you demonstrated in all of your exchanges with me are hereditary issues?

 

Nice.

[Tr3vor]

those employees HACKED the psn, making them HACKERS. dont tell me otherwise, thats bull.

[Austin]

those employees HACKED the psn, making them HACKERS. dont tell me otherwise, thats bull.

 

lol.... you make it sound like being a HACKER is a bad thing.

[Underball]

those employees HACKED the psn, making them HACKERS. dont tell me otherwise, thats bull.

But they were not PS3 hackers who were pissed off about the removal of OtherOS or the lawsuits about jailbreaking - as everyone assumed/griped about.

 

They were soon to be unemployed Sony staff who were pissed off about being unemployed. They didn't "Hack" anything. They had fully granted legitimate access to the servers and data. Technically, they didn't actually "hack" anything. Hacking implies they broke in and circumvented security. They were already allowed access as part of their jobs. They just trashed their former workplace on the way out the door.

[Tr3vor]

those employees HACKED the psn, making them HACKERS. dont tell me otherwise, thats bull.

 

lol.... you make it sound like being a HACKER is a bad thing.

 

right now, it is a bad thing to me. Maybe if someone hacks the latest psp firmware, it might make up for it.

I don't care if hackers hack thier own stuff, whatever. If they hack and it affects me, its a bad thing.

 

and what they did was illegal anyway.

Edited May 3, 2011 by Tr3vor

[HatefulGravey]

So I guess your irrational anger issues over silly internet video gaming opinoins, and the emotional turmoil you demonstrated in all of your exchanges with me are hereditary issues?

 

Nice.

 

Something told me when you were the very next message to check what was going on. I'm glad now that there is an option to view the message anyway. What I find is more then the trolling I expected, I find you insulting my family. Please pretend like you weren't. You often insult and then say it was nothing personal. Insulting another members family is going to far.

 

I really hope that other members are willing to say so as well. I'm very sorry that this has made it to yet another thread. I tried to get over your childish crap, but the first time I try to look behind that ignore sign I find you insulting my family.

 

I love AtariAge with you being the only exception. I can't believe you are still allowed here after all the trolling you do, and now there is this.

[Chuplayer]

As a side note, I don't believe the acquisition of the system keys was a result of pure external effort. I feel it's much more likely that they were provided by a source inside the company.

I can't believe I forgot about this, but I just remembered I have all sorts of PS3 and PSP technical information. Official Sony internal stuff. It got leaked about a year ago, I think. Board layouts, schematics, repair guides, the works. It never really got any press. Maybe you're on to something after all.

[Underball]

So I guess your irrational anger issues over silly internet video gaming opinoins, and the emotional turmoil you demonstrated in all of your exchanges with me are hereditary issues?

 

Nice.

 

Something told me when you were the very next message to check what was going on. I'm glad now that there is an option to view the message anyway. What I find is more then the trolling I expected, I find you insulting my family. Please pretend like you weren't. You often insult and then say it was nothing personal. Insulting another members family is going to far.

 

I really hope that other members are willing to say so as well. I'm very sorry that this has made it to yet another thread. I tried to get over your childish crap, but the first time I try to look behind that ignore sign I find you insulting my family.

 

I love AtariAge with you being the only exception. I can't believe you are still allowed here after all the trolling you do, and now there is this.

You brought up your brother, and bragged about how he would get violent about lack of CoD online play if this happened to his 360. You did that, not me or anyone else. If you don't want people to think this is true about him, why did you post it here?

 

I can only play the cards I'm dealt here, man.

 

I merely pointed out that if what you said about your brother is true, then it's apparent that anger issues over video games tend to run in you family. Based on the way you've trolled around behind me like a lost puppy for the last 3 weeks trying to get the last word in or toss out some offhanded insult in my direction, pretending you have me on ignore, yet reading and responding to nearly every single post I make that you take issue with.

 

Maybe video games aren't for you, since you're clearly not enjoying this. I'm not the one here with a username that includes the word "hateful".

[moycon]

to check what was going on.

 

Mistake number one.

It's not like anything you'd uncover would be worth reading.

 

I will agree on one thing. I don't know this kind of outage could be caused by someone who didn't have a pretty good grasp of Sony's entire network. (Node IPs, VPN access, jumpboxes, SNMP community strings, etc...)

An inside job would make perfect sense at this point.

[Itchy Koala]

I was here to gripe about something, but you know what? I'm just happy to be alive.

Have a nice day.

 

 

AX

 

 

Some people should just relax.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2011 by Itchy Koala

[Classic Pac]

I really don't know about that, it seems from the latest reports the entire Sony network got hacked and possibly 100 million people got their personal info stolen. It also seems Sony is not exactly certain that the hacker left something in their servers, after one report said that Sony.com was almost hacked the other day.