dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) For most retro system users (atari, commodore, tandy), there is a sharing of resources (books, magazines, etc) with others of the same interests. And then there are the Apple II users who seem to want to hoard their books and magazines and try to command ridiculous prices on Ebay for them. There are no Incider pdf caches or Apple II book pdf collections like we have for C64/128 and Atari computers. Sure you can find a few pdfs here and there but nowhere near the amount of the other retro systems. Why are the Apple II users different? Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
akator Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 That's an interesting question. I remember several Apple II mags being in print simultaneously as well. Does anyone know how many Apple II mags there were? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 an obviously there are some Apple II users who do try to get the retro stuff out to the masses.. There are a few in this forum who graciously scan manuals and such.. but wow, for the longest running production of a retro computer, there are paltry pickings of "preservationist" reading material.. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 And then there are the Apple II users who seem to want to hoard their books and magazines and try to command ridiculous prices on Ebay for them. The Asimov FTP site was one of the earliest and best resources for software for any system. Apple II users lead the way there, and it's still a great resource... That said, a lot of Apple merchandise is rather spendy on e-bay... Supply and demand, I'd say.. There are no ..... Apple II book pdf collections like we have for C64/128 and Atari computers. As for books: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+ii+books+pdf That turns up some decent books.. I stopped counting after 50 or so PDFs among the listed sites.. There are no Incider pdf caches True, those damn selfish pigs!!! :-) desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) And then there are the Apple II users who seem to want to hoard their books and magazines and try to command ridiculous prices on Ebay for them. The Asimov FTP site was one of the earliest and best resources for software for any system. Apple II users lead the way there, and it's still a great resource... I am speaking mainly of magazines and books (Compute's, BASIC programming, etc). Every disk image in Apple history is pretty easy to find. and that pdf search yields nothing.. most of those sites have the same small selection of scans (mostly the manuals that came with the system) or worse, jpg images of the cover of the book they are so proud to own but not scan and preserve. the dude here with the Scribd account offers a better selection than those sites.. apple2history.org offers a whopping 3 books. Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 and that pdf search yields nothing.. Hmmm... Manuals Installation instructions for the Disk II - Html Apple II pinouts - Html Apple II CDROM INFO - Txt Apple II Reference Manual (Red Book) 90Mb - Pdf Apple II Reference Manual (Red Book) 38Mb - Zip Apple II - Technical notes - Html Apple II mini manual 3.2Mb - Pdf Ap-64e - Eprom writer - For Apple II, II+, IIe, III 43Kb - Pdf AW3 Expander user's manual 141Kb - Pdf Programmer's aid #1 284Kb - Pdf Apple II Woz Wonder book 9.2Mb - Pdf Beneath Apple DOS 16Mb - Pdf Apple II Basic Programming Manual 13Mb - Pdf Apple II Basic Programming Reference Manual (Green) 15Mb - Pdf Apple II Super Serial Card - Installation and Operating Manual 20Mb - Pdf Apple II Parallel Interface Card - Installation and Operating Manual 7.8Mb - Pdf Zip Chip 8Mhz - Instruction Manual 3.7Mb - Pdf Understanding the Apple II 82Mb - Pdf Appli-Card 4.4Mb - Pdf PC Transporter User's Manual v1.31 1,.5Mb - Pdf Audio Animator - User's Guide 4.5Mb - Pdf Apple ][ Reference Manual 14.7Mb - Pdf Beagle Bros Card 883Kb - Pdf Copy II PLus Version 9 18,8Mb - Pdf PC Transporter Install Video (mpeg) 233Mb - Zip Z-80 Plus 4.7Mb - Pdf Manx Aztec CG65 9.8Mb - Pdf Using Apple Writer II on the Apple II Unidisk 3.5 389Kb - Pdf Apple Writer II Word Processing Language 6Mb - Pdf Apple Writer II User's Manual 13.5Mb - Pdf Now that you know APPLE ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE: What can you do with it? 26Mb - Pdf Midi interface Users Manual - Passport 1.7mB - Pdf S.A.M. The software automatic mouth 1.4Mb - Pdf Zip Chip - Instruction Manual 5.1Mb - Pdf Apple II SCSI Card 6.8Mb - Pdf Apple II SCSI Card Owner's Guide 8.4Mb - Pdf Locksmith 6.0 User's Manual 14Mb - Pdf Apple Memo 10Mb - Pdf Apple ][ ProDOS 1.7 2.9Mb - Pdf Disk ][ Technical procedures 6.9Mb - Pdf Disk Operating system 3.2 28Mb - Pdf Apple Service Technical Procedures - Cross Family Peripherals - Volume 1 - April 1991 8.7Mb - Pdf Apple Service Level I-Technical Procedures-Sep1982 2Mb - Pdf AppleII Human Interface Guidelines1985 9Mb - Pdf DClock - Users Manual v1.0 1.5Mb - Pdf Programmer's Aid #1 - Installation and Operating Manual 279Kb - Pdf The Apple II Guide-Fall1990 19Mb - Pdf Videx Enhancer II - Installation and Operation Manual 3Mb - Pdf Videx Lower Case Chip - Manual 34Kb - Pdf ZIP CHIP - Manual 3.7MB - Pdf ZIP Chip Manual v1 1987 5Mb - Pdf ZIP CHIP Manual v2 2.1Mb - Pdf ZIP CHIP Manual v3 3.7Mb - Pdf Graphics Tablet - Operation and reference manual 6Mb - Pdf 6502 Disassembler 980Kb - Pdf Apple II Monitor Peeled 13Mb - Pdf Apple II interfacing 37Mb - Pdf Errata to the Applesoft Tutorial 214Kb - Pdf Beagle Brothers - 6502 Instructions 184Kb - Beagle Brothers - Tips, tricks, and Techniques 299Kb - Supplement to Beneath Apple ProDOS for ProDOS 8, Versions 1.2 and 1.3 8.2Mb - Pdf Supplement to Beneath Apple ProDOS for ProDOS Versions 1.01 and 1.02 5.9Mb - Pdf Supplement to Beneath Apple ProDOS for ProDOS Versions 1.1.1 6.5Mb - Pdf How to program Apple II using 6502 Assembly Language 19.5Mb - Pdf Apple II Computer Graphics 8.5Mb - Pdf Apple II technical procedures (section 3) 152Kb - Pdf Disk II technical procedures 1Mb - Pdf That was the 3rd on the list... Nothing??? hmmm... desiv 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) and that pdf search yields nothing.. Hmmm... Manuals I edited my post but I guess you missed it. Yeah, those manuals are everywhere.. that's not what I am talking about. I dont really want a SCSI card owners manual.. I am talking about the numerous third party published books and magazines that I can find 500 of for c64 or atari... you know, Computes 2nd book of Apple, 3rd book of Apple, Sams Apple IIe Programming Reference, etc. Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 You know that a lot of those in the list are 3rd party???? And a lot of the manuals on Commodore and other sites are also non-3rd party manuals... Oh well... True, there isn't something that makes it that easy for you.. You would have to search a bit.. I agree with that.. desiv 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) You know that a lot of those in the list are 3rd party???? And a lot of the manuals on Commodore and other sites are also non-3rd party manuals... Oh well... True, there isn't something that makes it that easy for you.. You would have to search a bit.. I agree with that.. desiv Try not to be a little douche.. Did I hurt your feeling when I told u your list was crap? I gave you examples of what I was looking for. you didn't really provide anything useful. Thanks for trying though. Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Try not to be a little douche.. I gave you examples of what I was looking for. Insults are very adult.. And I was giving you information. You refused to use the search. When I did it for you, you didn't read the list. When I pointed it out, you ignored it.. Hmm :-) :-) Have a good evening.. desiv 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Insults are very adult.. And I was giving you information. You refused to use the search. You started it. Obviously I google'd and found the same crap. Not my problem that you can't understand that I am not looking for owner manuals to hardware.. that list is useless. Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I am not looking for owner manuals to hardware.. that list is useless. Apple II Woz Wonder book 9.2Mb - Pdf Beneath Apple DOS 16Mb - Pdf Now that you know APPLE ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE: What can you do with it? 26Mb - Pdf How to program Apple II using 6502 Assembly Language 19.5Mb - Pdf Apple II Computer Graphics 8.5Mb - Pdf Yep.. All hardware owners manuals.. desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) I am not looking for owner manuals to hardware.. that list is useless. Apple II Woz Wonder book 9.2Mb - Pdf Beneath Apple DOS 16Mb - Pdf Now that you know APPLE ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE: What can you do with it? 26Mb - Pdf How to program Apple II using 6502 Assembly Language 19.5Mb - Pdf Apple II Computer Graphics 8.5Mb - Pdf desiv way to cherry pick from your useless list.. got all of those. not looking for them. goto bed. Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) way to cherry pick from your useless list.. got all of those. not looking for them. goto bed. How do we know if it's useless if you don't tell us what you are looking for??? You asked for some. I gave you some. You are upset because you don't want "those", but how do we know? Or should we just keep searching for you until we find what you won't tell us you are looking for?? If YOU answered someone's very generic request, and they said "that's not specifically what I wanted," would that sound douchey? :-) Also, this site has a good selection: http://www.apple2online.com/index.php?p=1_33_Games-Library ..has some game manual PDFs in it... http://www.apple2online.com/index.php?p=1_2_Documentation-Library Various documentation (Careful, some of it is hardware...) desiv Edited September 9, 2011 by desiv 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarian63 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 You know that a lot of those in the list are 3rd party???? And a lot of the manuals on Commodore and other sites are also non-3rd party manuals... Oh well... True, there isn't something that makes it that easy for you.. You would have to search a bit.. I agree with that.. desiv Try not to be a little douche.. Did I hurt your feeling when I told u your list was crap? I gave you examples of what I was looking for. you didn't really provide anything useful. Thanks for trying though. Thats desiv for you. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 way to cherry pick from your useless list.. got all of those. not looking for them. goto bed. How do we know if it's useless if you don't tell us what you are looking for??? You asked for some. I gave you some. You are upset because you don't want "those", but how do we know? Or should we just keep searching for you until we find what you won't tell us you are looking for?? If YOU answered someone's very generic request, and they said "that's not specifically what I wanted," would that sound douchey? :-) desiv I gave you examples with specific titles of what I am looking for.. obviously you are more interested in polluting the thread than actually reading my posts. nice job... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 Also, this site has a good selection: http://www.apple2online.com/index.php?p=1_33_Games-Library not looking for games chief.. http://www.apple2online.com/index.php?p=1_2_Documentation-Library Various documentation (Careful, some of it is hardware...) desiv yeah, more or less the same 40 or so pdfs that every other site has.. a lot of useless hardware manuals or the manuals that came with the computer.. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) More thread pollution (I edited this into my earlier post, but it got buried by a few posts..) Also, this site has a good selection: http://www.apple2onl...3_Games-Library ..has some game manual PDFs in it... http://www.apple2onl...ntation-Library Various documentation (Careful, some of it is hardware...) Also this site has lots, including some on your list (Compute's first book of Apple): http://www.classiccmp.org/cini/pdf/Apple/ (update) Damnit.. You wanted the 2nd book of Apple, not the first.. Great.. I'll probably get slammed for missing that.. Sorry.. Sorry if I didn't find this sooner for you.. I really am trying to help... desiv p.s. Atarian63? We disagreed about the Commodore stuff, but I didn't know you were still mad at me for some reason???? Edited September 9, 2011 by desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Also this site has lots, including some on your list (Compute's first book of Apple): http://www.classiccmp.org/cini/pdf/Apple/ lol. you really can't see that those are the same pdfs again? and I didn't list Computes First Book (2nd and 3rd). But you are making my point for me though. So thanks. Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Damnit.. You wanted the 2nd book of Apple' date=' not the first..Great.. I'll probably get slammed for missing that.. Sorry..[/quote'] I didn't list Computes First Book. But you are making my point for me though <sigh> This looks like it's the SAMS book in your list???: http://apple2online.com/web_documents/apple_iie_programmer__s_manual.pdf desiv Edited September 9, 2011 by desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) This looks like it's the SAMS book in your list???: http://apple2online.com/web_documents/apple_iie_programmer__s_manual.pdf desiv Really? 30 whole pages? do you think? <sigh> why don't you use your powers to find me an Incider magazine pdf cache.. you may have better luck. Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Really? 30 whole pages? do you think? <sigh> why don't you use your powers to find me an Incider magazine pdf cache.. you may have better luck. Dang it.. Oh well... Didn't notice it was just 30 pages... Sorry.. Been checking for Incider.. I'll let you know what I find.. (Judging by tonight's experience, I might find a few pages of Indexes and some ads. :-) desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
akator Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I haven't found many third-party magazines online. I would love to go back and read through more. I met Ken from Apple2Online a few months back, and I enjoyed talking with him for over an hour. IIRC, he agreed there was a shortage of Apple II magazines, and wondered why more Apple users hadn't made the material available. He did his part with the Apple IIgs Buyer's Guide Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Yeah, the magazines are sparse.. I did find some 15 page excerpts from Incider on asimov, but decided not to post the link this time.. (I rarely make the same mistake twice.. I am great at making all new mistakes tho.. ) Interesting, as one would assume Apple users frequently became Mac users who loved DTP and scanners. Although, maybe they loved it so much that they still vigorously respect copyrights.. I'll keep browsing, but it's looking really dead for the magazines.. desiv Edited September 9, 2011 by desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Micro supported the Apple and has a torrent. Compute had a lot of Apple stuff and has a torrent. Softside supported the Apple and has a torrent. The nibble archive can be purchased but scans are B&W and I've heard complaints about the quality. C.A.L.L. Apple used to be downloadable but I'm not sure if it still can be. Apple Assembly Line used to be downloadable. A+, Incider, SoftTalk... missing in action. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/#findComment-2368411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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