atarian63 Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 More thread pollution (I edited this into my earlier post, but it got buried by a few posts..) Also, this site has a good selection: http://www.apple2onl...3_Games-Library ..has some game manual PDFs in it... http://www.apple2onl...ntation-Library Various documentation (Careful, some of it is hardware...) Also this site has lots, including some on your list (Compute's first book of Apple): http://www.classiccmp.org/cini/pdf/Apple/ (update) Damnit.. You wanted the 2nd book of Apple, not the first.. Great.. I'll probably get slammed for missing that.. Sorry.. Sorry if I didn't find this sooner for you.. I really am trying to help... desiv p.s. Atarian63? We disagreed about the Commodore stuff, but I didn't know you were still mad at me for some reason???? posting deragatory crap on other sites is just par for the course for you.hmm some reason.... The guy is obviously not looking for what you are listing, give it a rest. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Micro supported the Apple and has a torrent. Thanx.. Yeah, I saw some of the torrents, but I tend not to recommend torrents unless I have to.. And I haven't DL'd and recommending things I haven't yet downloaded (or checked to make sure is complete) gets me in trouble. I will grab some of those tho.. Weird about some of the missing ones... Especially InCider.. That was a popular mag IIRC. desiv p.s. Atarian63.. Other sites?? No idea what you are talking about... I did get a bit frustrated after being dissed when posting attempts (failed obviously) to help; but oh well, that happens.. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) These are the torrents I know of: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:5B98C4B200D8697BC95B071FE36B8389C1733022 magnet:?xt=urn:btih:13E4D390B745D232C1C1387C6EBE0EC711635599 magnet:?xt=urn:btih:CA77F57982333E4A1CD435335572FF9A600E6F2A magnet:?xt=urn:btih:537E94C794B7520CABEFBD165EA667A4123BC7FB magnet:?xt=urn:btih:C49E6FA15143426C6EC0A3C0A4430302EEB2091A magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4B109B6CE84C7B77430C3B3C85BB9B3AD9898F0F And I have downloaded them. Edited September 9, 2011 by JamesD Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Thanx JamesD! I'll DL them.. Been looking for some of those.. @dudeslife Hey, reading back, I was more than a bit annoying in parts of this thread. Long day at work and felt I was being slapped for trying (and failing).. My bad... When you gave specific examples, I honestly thought you meant them more generically (i.e. generic programming books) which my list had some of.... That was my confusion... Mea culpa... Now I do have to get to sleep or I'll be more useless than normal at work.. desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThumpNugget Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Micro supported the Apple and has a torrent. Compute had a lot of Apple stuff and has a torrent. Softside supported the Apple and has a torrent. The nibble archive can be purchased but scans are B&W and I've heard complaints about the quality. C.A.L.L. Apple used to be downloadable but I'm not sure if it still can be. Apple Assembly Line used to be downloadable. A+, Incider, SoftTalk... missing in action. Good stuff To go with the OPs original post... Compute! was scanned for the Commodore content, Softside was scanned by two people - one for the TRS-80 content and the other for the Atari content. The micro scanning was a 6502 enthusiasts project.. CALL Apple I think was done by the creators of the magazine and they were selling the PDFs for 99.00 for the entire run (been a while I may be remembering wrong).. I don't really frequent the apple forums so I have no idea how active the community is but it does not sound like they are making a lot of progress in getting their specific content digitized... Edited September 9, 2011 by ThumpNugget Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuckleCat Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 This is a good question. I would really dig looking through old A+ issues again. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 A nice stack of Inciders popped up on Ebay (as an auction) last month and before I could even bid, the seller ended the auction. Then the next day, that Drake dude put a bunch of single issues for Buy Now at like $15 each... not a coincidence Im sure.. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) oops Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 Micro supported the Apple and has a torrent. Compute had a lot of Apple stuff and has a torrent. Softside supported the Apple and has a torrent. The nibble archive can be purchased but scans are B&W and I've heard complaints about the quality. C.A.L.L. Apple used to be downloadable but I'm not sure if it still can be. Apple Assembly Line used to be downloadable. A+, Incider, SoftTalk... missing in action. Thanks, the multi-format stuff I have found... its those darn Incider and A+ mags that are hiding. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I think the answer is that Apple users have historically tended to be more the "rich SOB" type. Obviously not all... that's why there was an *active* piracy scene. I certainly never was rich (hell, I'm struggling to keep a roof over my head!), and of course, I tend to act more like a C64 user than an Apple ][ user > Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) A nice stack of Inciders popped up on Ebay (as an auction) last month ...... Speaking of purchases, I knew this (Apple II magazines) sounded familiar!!! http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/186203-interest-in-a-incider-and-computes-gazette-mags/ Looks like our own SpaceDice2010 acquired a complete Incider AND A+ set just recently... Wonder if he'd consider scanning (or lending for scanning)???? Hmmmm.... desiv p.s. Apple users are suppose to be different!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Different Edited September 9, 2011 by desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuckleCat Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I think the answer is that Apple users have historically tended to be more the "rich SOB" type. Obviously not all... that's why there was an *active* piracy scene. I certainly never was rich (hell, I'm struggling to keep a roof over my head!), and of course, I tend to act more like a C64 user than an Apple ][ user > As an Apple 2 user, I also disagree with the stereotype, but I did see it. Of all my friends that had Apple 2's "back in the day", I'd say at least a third of them were in the type of family where the Apple 2 got it's own room, and nobody used it, and the kids were not allowed to use it. Back in the 80s not everyone had a computer, and some would get one just to say they had one, that they could afford one. Plus, I think the amount of users also has to do with the unavailability of material like the magazines. The average C64 owner was a user, the average Apple 2 owner was a public school. Plus, C64s were more readily available, you could buy them at Toys R Us. With Apple 2, you had to go to some overpriced computer store. The C64 was more affordable, and more available. There were just more C64 users out there. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I don't really frequent the apple forums so I have no idea how active the community is but it does not sound like they are making a lot of progress in getting their specific content digitized... I'm still wondering why there seems to have been no substantial software preservation efforts in the AII community. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I'm still wondering why there seems to have been no substantial software preservation efforts in the AII community. Probably because so much is available on the Asimov FTP site.. Yeah, it's not full "preservation", but you don't go more than a post or 2 on an Apple forum without someone pointing you to asimov... desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
akator Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I'm still wondering why there seems to have been no substantial software preservation efforts in the AII community. Probably because so much is available on the Asimov FTP site.. Yeah, it's not full "preservation", but you don't go more than a post or 2 on an Apple forum without someone pointing you to asimov... desiv Because there is so much on Asimov, and it has been around for over 20 years, to my knowledge there haven't even been attempts at doing a more comprehensive project. Perhaps Asimov's age and size have dissuaded anyone else from attempting something similar? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) I don't really frequent the apple forums so I have no idea how active the community is but it does not sound like they are making a lot of progress in getting their specific content digitized... I'm still wondering why there seems to have been no substantial software preservation efforts in the AII community. TOSEC did a nice job on USENET earlier this year with the Apple II software archives and their posting of Compute, Compute's Gazette and the other retro mags has been stellar on USENET. The problem is the Magazine and Book preservation for retro Apple. I seen nothing but the same 40-50 pdfs duped on every Apple "retro" website (more manuals than books as pointed out ad nauseum in this thread already). Where are the Compute's Books? Incider & A+ Mags? These are a lot cooler to me than the software. I have been reading old Compute and Byte mags the past month and its been a blast.. cool articles about the "future of computing" and the game articles, and the glorious "type-in" programs. Edited September 9, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 TOSEC did a nice job on USENET earlier this year with the Apple II software archives Producing dats to rename sixty different shitty hacks of software isn't preservation... As for the other thoughts, yeah Asimov has been around forever, but see point A ^ for the much of the stuff that's on there. I just find it odd with all the hobby hardware development in the AII space that there was so little (or no) attention given to preserving original software copies. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I just find it odd with all the hobby hardware development in the AII space that there was so little (or no) attention given to preserving original software copies. Agree there.. I have a Kryoflux adapter so I can make really good images of floppies. Don't have a 5 1/4" drive for it yet, (and I don't have too much original Apple / C64 software, but some) but it's on the list.. But the forum has a lot of talk about Amiga imaging and some ST and some IBM. But very very little talk about Apple II stuff.. Perhaps Asimov's age and size have dissuaded anyone else from attempting something similar? I'm thinking that has a lot to do with it... I know there's a big retro community. I know it's fairly active. The Apple II CFFA adapter has sold over 1000 units... But yeah, the archiving seems to have stopped somewhere in the past... They had a huge lead and then it looks like not much... Would be a shame to lose some of that.. desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I for one would like to collect more eduware and create new cracks of various programs that aren't puked all over by cracktros. (I've been doing this already, btw. You'll find my name on at least one crack out there.) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2368984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnusfalkirk Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I don't really frequent the apple forums so I have no idea how active the community is but it does not sound like they are making a lot of progress in getting their specific content digitized... I'm still wondering why there seems to have been no substantial software preservation efforts in the AII community. TOSEC did a nice job on USENET earlier this year with the Apple II software archives and their posting of Compute, Compute's Gazette and the other retro mags has been stellar on USENET. The problem is the Magazine and Book preservation for retro Apple. I seen nothing but the same 40-50 pdfs duped on every Apple "retro" website (more manuals than books as pointed out ad nauseum in this thread already). Where are the Compute's Books? Incider & A+ Mags? These are a lot cooler to me than the software. I have been reading old Compute and Byte mags the past month and its been a blast.. cool articles about the "future of computing" and the game articles, and the glorious "type-in" programs. If you're interested I have pdf's of several years worth of Call A.P.P.L.E. magazine that I downloaded from their website when they had it open to the public to download. I also have pdf's of a British Apple II magazine, called Hardcore for the first few years then they changed the name to Apple 2000. There is also an archive of Hardcore Computist/Computist magaine available here: http://apple2scans.net/computistarchive/ and you can buy the entire run of Nibble Magazine from the publisher, along with several other Apple II publications he did, on DVD from this website: http://www.nibblemagazine.net/ . Hope this answers your request. Dean Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2369394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 For most retro system users (atari, commodore, tandy), there is a sharing of resources (books, magazines, etc) with others of the same interests. And then there are the Apple II users who seem to want to hoard their books and magazines and try to command ridiculous prices on Ebay for them. There are no Incider pdf caches or Apple II book pdf collections like we have for C64/128 and Atari computers. Sure you can find a few pdfs here and there but nowhere near the amount of the other retro systems. Why are the Apple II users different? I so much want those magazines listed on ebay at 14.99 to disappear. It makes it so difficult to get to the good stuff. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2369706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Funny this should come up. I've been wanting to make an Atarimania or AtariAge type site for Apple II/IIgs stuff for a long time now. The problem is that it's much too large of an undertaking for one person (you'd probably need a whole team) and I don't have the time or web skills to do it properly. There really does need to be a giant site for Apple II info though. Too many small non-comprehensive sites out there and almost none of them cover games. Tempest 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2369812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) I don't really frequent the apple forums so I have no idea how active the community is but it does not sound like they are making a lot of progress in getting their specific content digitized... I'm still wondering why there seems to have been no substantial software preservation efforts in the AII community. You can find TOSEC collection torrent on TPB, no? edit: duh! I should have read the rest of the thread before replying. Edited September 11, 2011 by wood_jl Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2369819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) TOSEC did a nice job on USENET earlier this year with the Apple II software archives Producing dats to rename sixty different shitty hacks of software isn't preservation... 5000 disk images and not a lot of dupes, but even if you drop the dupes, and tons of muiti-format magazine pdfs (collected from many sources), it is still more effort than any apple user has put forth in the past 30 years. Edited September 11, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2369845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I think there's really 2 major types of Apple ][ user. There were the hardware types (older geeks who prolly got in when the ][ didn't even do lowercase) and the gamers (who were kids when we got into things, and generally started out on the 128K //e). Asimov tends to cater to the latter but most of the stuff out there caters to the former. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/2/#findComment-2369865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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