NE146 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) I'd shove it on Usenet before I go the torrent route. Then it will be available to everyone for at least the next 3 years, and you can pretty much guarantee someone out there will do something with it. That being said, I guess being an Apple 2 user in the past did in fact dictate my computing habits today. Because I did NOT own a single legitimate piece of Apple software then and simply traded all my stuff. And here we are nearly 30 years later and nothing has changed for any of my computers in life. I still have the same mentality as I did when I was getting copies of Aztec, Applewriter, and Wolfenstein.. old habits die hard Edited September 13, 2011 by NE146 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Indeed. Someone's going to put all of ThumpNugget's Byte's into a torrent eventually, if it's not already been done. Torrents are just the most efficient way to get the most data to the most people as possible. If some third party makes some ad revenue off of it, so what? The point is preservation. The problem with torrents is that everyone seems to want to download them but nobody wants to share them. There are several torrents 8/16 bit torrents only 1 person is sharing. Someone always says "I'll share for a week after I download". Really? A whole week? How about a couple months? How about 6 months? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) I'd shove it on Usenet before I go the torrent route. Then it will be available to everyone for at least the next 3 years, and you can pretty much guarantee someone out there will do something with it. I agree. Usenet would be the way to go.. my biggest fear is they will be shared like these: http://wishbookweb.com This effectively ties you to your desk to read them.. the Compute pdfs are fun to read on an iPad. Edited September 13, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I'd shove it on Usenet before I go the torrent route. Then it will be available to everyone for at least the next 3 years, and you can pretty much guarantee someone out there will do something with it. I agree. Usenet would be the way to go.. my biggest fear is they will be shared like these: http://wishbookweb.com This effectively ties you to your desk to read them.. the Compute pdfs are fun to read on an iPad. I hate that sort of shit, just like this! http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThumpNugget Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Because that is not my style. I don't care about personal notoriety whatsoever. I just don't want to go through the hassle of scanning and destroying magazines with the end result being a torrent. Especially if that torrent ends up on one of the download sites like Filesonic where the uploader is making money off it. I can understand that.. but realistically, no matter what you do, that's where they are going to end up. Indeed. Someone's going to put all of ThumpNugget's Byte's into a torrent eventually, if it's not already been done. Torrents are just the most efficient way to get the most data to the most people as possible. If some third party makes some ad revenue off of it, so what? The point is preservation. Yip.. Scan them puppies and don't sweat the distribution! Too much work anyway - AtariMania has the bulk of everything I've scanned available for anyone for free without even having an account (except the American AtariUser - no love for that mag!) I really am amazed at the activity in the Atari community and the quality of some of the websites and the ongoing effort put into them. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I'd shove it on Usenet before I go the torrent route. Then it will be available to everyone for at least the next 3 years, and you can pretty much guarantee someone out there will do something with it. That being said, I guess being an Apple 2 user in the past did in fact dictate my computing habits today. Because I did NOT own a single legitimate piece of Apple software then and simply traded all my stuff. And here we are nearly 30 years later and nothing has changed for any of my computers in life. I still have the same mentality as I did when I was getting copies of Aztec, Applewriter, and Wolfenstein.. old habits die hard QFT, same here. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) I'd shove it on Usenet before I go the torrent route. Then it will be available to everyone for at least the next 3 years, and you can pretty much guarantee someone out there will do something with it. I agree. Usenet would be the way to go.. my biggest fear is they will be shared like these: http://wishbookweb.com This effectively ties you to your desk to read them.. the Compute pdfs are fun to read on an iPad. I hate that sort of shit, just like this! http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/ or even worse, this dude just shows us pics of his shelves of magazine collections. http://www.vintage-computer.com/magazines.shtml I have scanned things and written programs knowing full well where they would end up. Doesn't bother me one bit as I am sure I have benefitted from someone else's hard work in the past. Edited September 13, 2011 by dudeslife Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) I'd shove it on Usenet before I go the torrent route. Then it will be available to everyone for at least the next 3 years, and you can pretty much guarantee someone out there will do something with it. I agree. Usenet would be the way to go.. my biggest fear is they will be shared like these: http://wishbookweb.com This effectively ties you to your desk to read them.. the Compute pdfs are fun to read on an iPad. Well, they are still cool, and a great fashion reference of the 70's. I remember we'd draw titties and stuff on the models. And then wondered why mom and dad got all huffy and stuff. I found my old tv and boombox in the 1976 catalog! Cool. And even a picture of my old Karosel Kitchen and Jamie doll! Hot damn! And then there's the Lego conveyer belt construction site. The Dapper Dan dress-up doll and his Dressy Bessy girlfriend. And the Play Family Action Garage. Busy Box, and Busy Bath. Ohh my ohh my! Edited September 14, 2011 by Keatah Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) Folks, this was from a recent time when toys would model the real world around us. Not like today's fantasy playthings that have no connection to what you see when you take a walk down the street!! Toys were often mechanically complex, so complex that a manufacturer, today, would have no idea how build them, for real! It was also nice to see the same version of a toy remain available for several seasons, without changes or revisions or anything like that. Not like today when toys go out of style on a quarterly basis. Li'l Gas Pumper and the Big Driver Dashboard. Active World of Barbie (airplane diorama) Tubes 'n Cubes Action Packed Remote Control Mini Car Transporter MatchBox City MatchBox Country Motorized Sky Park Garage Grippidee Gravidee I found my old tv and boombox in the 1976 catalog! Cool. And even a picture of my old Karosel Kitchen and Jamie doll! Hot damn! And then there's the Lego conveyer belt construction site. The Dapper Dan dress-up doll and his Dressy Bessy girlfriend. And the Play Family Action Garage. Busy Box, and Busy Bath. Ohh my ohh my! The Astro-Blast rubber rocket set I hooked to the garage compressor and exploded it. Pocket-Size walkie-talkies that were as big as my BattleStar Galactica lunchbox The engraving set I used to mark everything in the house. The Portable Activity Desk I would hide my unwanted veggies in, man whatta stink! The Pull-Along SchooBus with the schizo-eyes! They even had the hot wheels ejector launcher I would use to shoot the neighborhood kids. And the chemistry set I used to stain the furniture! The mechanical pong game as big as 25" color tv set.. I believe all my toys and games came from sears, pennys, wards. And in the 80's they had this big shoulder-mounted video camera and an even bigger VCR that fit in a backpack! So the hubby is out filming the wife and kid, burdened with 60 pounds of gear, on a lake-front walk! My dad's old drum set from 1968..! Open reel tape decks, mullet haircuts and moustaches, it's all there! They had slot car sets with layouts that looked like I felt after a vodka party. Even more fun was chasing my sister with the spinwelder drill. Cool! And the dress code of the day was so much better than the slophouse garbage worn now. The women dressed like to die for, eh? Edited September 14, 2011 by Keatah Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
potatohead Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 I used that Spinwelder toy for years. Fixed all sorts of stupid plastic cracks and such. Loved that thing. Thanks for some good memories. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2371824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) I kinda liked some of the names of the early games, like.. Tension Trouble Headache Lock-up Zoo Your America Bible Game Cooties Noah's Ark ..more twisted than disney! And these names would not be PC today. And could you imagine the water rocket missile battery? We used to pump it so hard it would shoot into the drywall. Edited September 15, 2011 by Keatah Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2372426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) not forgetting.. Aggravation Time Bomb 8-Ball Bang Box Screech Seance Manhunt BattleBoard Chaos Blitzkrieg Ulcers Electroshot BattleShip Edited September 15, 2011 by Keatah Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2372483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) And.. Mother Hen Target Practice Don't Blow Your Top Tough Toys Drill and Saw Pollution Control Kit War Cloud Specimen Dissection Kit Over The Brink Edited September 15, 2011 by Keatah Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2372516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) Because that is not my style. I don't care about personal notoriety whatsoever. I just don't want to go through the hassle of scanning and destroying magazines with the end result being a torrent. Especially if that torrent ends up on one of the download sites like Filesonic where the uploader is making money off it. I can understand that.. but realistically, no matter what you do, that's where they are going to end up. Indeed. Someone's going to put all of ThumpNugget's Byte's into a torrent eventually, if it's not already been done. Torrents are just the most efficient way to get the most data to the most people as possible. If some third party makes some ad revenue off of it, so what? The point is preservation. Yip.. Scan them puppies and don't sweat the distribution! Too much work anyway - AtariMania has the bulk of everything I've scanned available for anyone for free without even having an account (except the American AtariUser - no love for that mag!) I really am amazed at the activity in the Atari community and the quality of some of the websites and the ongoing effort put into them. Well. Hosting them is not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned in another thread my company manages websites and our server farm is on the large side. I lost count of how many servers we have after it hit 25. I could toss them on a server with memcache and dish them out of memory. The main issue that I have is that we have a lawsuit going with Rapidshare and since Paypal processes for them they are in the suit as well. For me it's more a matter of principal that I don't want sites like this to make a damn cent off the work I do. Edited September 15, 2011 by SpaceDice2010 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2372574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThumpNugget Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Well. Hosting them is not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned in another thread my company manages websites and our server farm is on the large side. I lost count of how many servers we have after it hit 25. I could toss them on a server with memcache and dish them out of memory. The main issue that I have is that we have a lawsuit going with Rapidshare and since Paypal processes for them they are in the suit as well. For me it's more a matter of principal that I don't want sites like this to make a damn cent off the work I do. I don't understand your plan.. If you have the bandwidth now but will not scan/share the mags because of Rapidshare/paypal - and there is no way they will be out of the picture as long as someone can upload your stuff to them... What is it you are waiting to happen for you to act? . Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Do a lot of people subscribe to services like filesonic and rapidshare?? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) Well. Hosting them is not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned in another thread my company manages websites and our server farm is on the large side. I lost count of how many servers we have after it hit 25. I could toss them on a server with memcache and dish them out of memory. The main issue that I have is that we have a lawsuit going with Rapidshare and since Paypal processes for them they are in the suit as well. For me it's more a matter of principal that I don't want sites like this to make a damn cent off the work I do. I don't understand your plan.. If you have the bandwidth now but will not scan/share the mags because of Rapidshare/paypal - and there is no way they will be out of the picture as long as someone can upload your stuff to them... What is it you are waiting to happen for you to act? . I am waiting for the time as I said in a previous post... (I think I rambled two thoughts together somehow. I have no issue scanning them and putting them on a server that I own.) Someone mentioned torrents and I just don't want to go that route as I can dish them out just as fast... Edited September 16, 2011 by SpaceDice2010 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Do a lot of people subscribe to services like filesonic and rapidshare?? Hell yes. And there are quite a few people making tons of money by uploading stolen content and getting referral fees for it as well. These types of sites are one of the biggest threats to the industry that I work in. We currently have a lawsuit going against Rapidshare, Paypal, and 100 "John Doe's". Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Well. Hosting them is not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned in another thread my company manages websites and our server farm is on the large side. I lost count of how many servers we have after it hit 25. I could toss them on a server with memcache and dish them out of memory. The main issue that I have is that we have a lawsuit going with Rapidshare and since Paypal processes for them they are in the suit as well. For me it's more a matter of principal that I don't want sites like this to make a damn cent off the work I do. I don't understand your plan.. If you have the bandwidth now but will not scan/share the mags because of Rapidshare/paypal - and there is no way they will be out of the picture as long as someone can upload your stuff to them... What is it you are waiting to happen for you to act? . I am waiting for the time as I said in a previous post... (I think I rambled two thoughts together somehow. I have no issue scanning them and putting them on a server that I own.) Someone mentioned torrents and I just don't want to go that route as I can dish them out just as fast... actually YOU are the one who mentioned torrents. I suggested usenet, but using your logic, you shouldn't do that because usenet providers are paid, but then so are internet providers. so all of these guys are going to get paid so we can dowload content you copied not produced. so you should probably not put them on the internet at all, lest someone in the download chain makes a dollar. I salute your integrity. Obviously you are someone who has never dowloaded a pdf that someone else scanned. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceDice2010 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 The whole point that I wanted to make was to try and do this the legal way. Much like this site - http://www.atarimagazines.com/about.html (Only w/ PDFs). No more. No less. And it looks like it is going to happen in a legal way. I don't care about making a cent from this. And if I can present them in a way where I am not getting chased by the copyright holder then there is a better chance that it will keep them off the torrent and file sharing sites. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatta Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Try not to berate the guy willing to scan scads of magazines and share them online for free, just because you don't like the distribution method. If you have the bandwidth, and the permission, than hosting PDFs on a website is absolutely the best way to distribute these. The only concern is that it's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission. But if you're confident that you can get permission (I'm curious as to how you plan to do that, and why you're confident that you can), then please proceed! 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 The whole point that I wanted to make was to try and do this the legal way. Much like this site - http://www.atarimagazines.com/about.html (Only w/ PDFs). No more. No less. And it looks like it is going to happen in a legal way. Thank you!! desiv Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeslife Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 The whole point that I wanted to make was to try and do this the legal way. Much like this site - http://www.atarimagazines.com/about.html (Only w/ PDFs). No more. No less. And it looks like it is going to happen in a legal way. I don't care about making a cent from this. And if I can present them in a way where I am not getting chased by the copyright holder then there is a better chance that it will keep them off the torrent and file sharing sites. Sorry but that site sucks. The best part of preservation is the actual preservation. just retyping articles and carving up the magazines and then tying people to the net to read them is a swing and a miss. the ads are some of the best parts, where are they on that site? I hope your effort surpasses that one. Thanks again for your work (not berating u). 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Sorry but that site sucks. The best part of preservation is the actual preservation. just retyping articles and carving up the magazines and then tying people to the net to read them is a swing and a miss. the ads are some of the best parts, where are they on that site? I hope your effort surpasses that one. Thanks again for your work (not berating u). Absolutely correct. Complete imaging from cover to cover, in hi-res, is the only solution. Furthermore, stuff should be posted online in .JPG's and/or .PDF's only. You large-filesize sadists can do 2400DPI .BMP for fun! In my opinion those are the only acceptable file formats and are required for any archival project. They should also be made available for off-line reading. They are portable and can be read on-line, off-line, in-between line -- By any device, anytime, anyplace! Just like the original magazine. Afterall, with the original magazine, you weren't tied to sitting in a specific chair or room of the house, were you? Once you get those two formats covered, then, and only then should you think about typing things in or doing OCR or making select articles available in other formats like .lit or flash pages. Early on in the BBS days all the way through the beginnings of the internet, it was acceptable to type articles and include just the text portion. Think about those early TEXTFILES from the Apple II days. When BBS's, desperate for graphics, used ASCII symbols to snazz-up the place. Even the early scans of separate articles was still a good thing. But today? There is no excuse to not do the whole book. That AtariMagazines site was pretty cool back in the day. And what they were doing then was probably the only practical and cost-effective way of archiving stuff. That was back in the mid-90's when they got going, wasn't it? Well, as it stands, they are doing things backwards today. I was pleasantly surprised to see -- http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/index.html -- is now beginning to offer non-flash versions of the catalogs. A very welcome addition. All that aside, once something is put on the 'net it seems to be game for everybody. Things are going to get copied and pasted and re-packaged into zips and torrents. Stuff will be converted to other formats too. It's inevitable. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2373588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 TOSEC did a nice job on USENET earlier this year with the Apple II software archives and their posting of Compute, Compute's Gazette and the other retro mags has been stellar on USENET. The problem is the Magazine and Book preservation for retro Apple. I seen nothing but the same 40-50 pdfs duped on every Apple "retro" website (more manuals than books as pointed out ad nauseum in this thread already). Where are the Compute's Books? Incider & A+ Mags? These are a lot cooler to me than the software. I have been reading old Compute and Byte mags the past month and its been a blast.. cool articles about the "future of computing" and the game articles, and the glorious "type-in" programs. Is this the TOSEC archive you are talking about? magnet:?xt=urn:btih:CC3F6F728DEC7F8DAAD82E40ED358B8D799C25F1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/187575-why-are-apple-ii-users-different/page/4/#findComment-2374707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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