Northwinds Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Please look at the auctions from Venezuela based 'eightiesvault'. This is the one that I won, but in my auction the shill bidder made a mistake, he actually won the auction and then retracted his bid! : eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790651028 See also the bid histories of these examples, all auctions bid up right until the bidder could see that he would be the highest bidder if he put up another bid: eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790644383 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790639898 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790639121 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790625692 There are more, this is only a selection! I have reported the items to Ebay, I hope they will actually look into this..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serblander Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Good work! I was actually looking at some of his/her auctions. Hmm... after so many years on ebay, i think i better start using snipe-programs to avaid this happening to me (as it did a couple of weeks ago ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Good work! I was actually looking at some of his/her auctions. Hmm... after so many years on ebay, i think i better start using snipe-programs to avaid this happening to me (as it did a couple of weeks ago ). Wasn't this wanker was it? eBay Seller: jeanie4mojo Bids consistently on almost all her items with the id m***4 (4) and often wins the items and relists them soon after. Check the bids on their sold items. Have reported this seller multiple times, and their shilling is so obvious it is not funny - but do you think ebay has done anything about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre81 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Hi, I'm the "shill bidder" here. a) I've bought about 60 games in the last 4 week from 'eightiesvault'. Just won more games yesterday. b) I wanted the complete set of Taiwan Cooper Colevision games and was the highest bidder c) After I got outbid I placed higher bids on the items. I couldn't see that I would be highest bidder with my next bid. d) I decided not to go higher with my bids and not to buy the set, therefore I retracted my bid on one of the Colecovision games. e) If you are not prepared to pay the price, don't bid. Period. I've won and paid games for $650 from him in the last 4 weeks. So eBay can look as much as they want into this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almost Rice Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) Bidder Bid Amount Bid Time r***c( 27) Retracted: US $22.00 [color=#ff0000]Retracted: Nov-15-11 18:41:10[/color] PST Explanation: Entered wrong amount r***c( 27) [color=#800080]US $22.00 Bid: Nov-15-11 18:40:45 PST[/color] h***d( 3734) US $21.00 Nov-15-11 10:18:49 PST r***c( 27) [color=#800080]US $21.00 Nov-15-11 18:38:34 PST[/color] r***c( 27) [color=#800080]US $20.00 Nov-15-11 18:38:10 PST[/color] r***c( 27) [color=#800080]US $18.00 Nov-15-11 18:38:05 PST[/color] r***c( 27) US $14.00 Nov-15-11 13:21:57 PST r***c( 27) US $12.00 Nov-15-11 13:21:52 PST h***d( 3734) US $10.00 Nov-15-11 10:16:31 PST Starting Price US $9.99 Nov-08-11 20:47:56 PST As I see it, retract bid should retract all bids from shill. the selling price should be $11.00. And you Mr Andre should not care since you are a 'buyer' not the seller. As you can see, shill bids up to OP's max and within 3 minutes and retracts just as fast. Thanks for posting that you are the shill, we know for future identification purposes Edited November 16, 2011 by Almost Rice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiman99 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Bidder Bid Amount Bid Time r***c( 27) Retracted: US $22.00 Retracted: Nov-15-11 18:41:10 PST Explanation: Entered wrong amount r***c( 27) US $22.00 Bid: Nov-15-11 18:40:45 PST h***d( 3734) US $21.00 Nov-15-11 10:18:49 PST r***c( 27) US $21.00 Nov-15-11 18:38:34 PST r***c( 27) US $20.00 Nov-15-11 18:38:10 PST r***c( 27) US $18.00 Nov-15-11 18:38:05 PST r***c( 27) US $14.00 Nov-15-11 13:21:57 PST r***c( 27) US $12.00 Nov-15-11 13:21:52 PST h***d( 3734) US $10.00 Nov-15-11 10:16:31 PST Starting Price US $9.99 Nov-08-11 20:47:56 PST As I see it, retract bid should retract all bids from shill. the selling price should be $11.00. And you Mr Andre should not care since you are a 'buyer' not the seller. I agree, selling price should be the last price before retracting bidder placed his first bid, actually all bids should be canceled made by retracting bidder. Also, I don't like the part that when I get outbid and then the bid gets retracted, then all other bidders can see what my max bid was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northwinds Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 Well I don't get it, you retract your highest bid after 25 seconds already........ And you managed to bid up all other Taiwan auctions exactly to the current bidders highest bid. It's almost like you wanted everybody else to pay the top price just because you could not afford them right now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre81 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 And you Mr Andre should not care since you are a 'buyer' not the seller. I do care, because 'eightiesvault' has been accused of shill bidding when there haven't been any. Here are just a few auctions I won recently from him. eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790478584 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790648361 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790651283 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320774206034 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320774285095 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320776317853 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320770049855 .... It's almost like you wanted everybody else to pay the top price just because you could not afford them right now..... No, I wanted the complete set. And because the price for the complete set got to high I decided not to buy single game. As you can see from the bidding list I actually matched your bid of $21. So I knew your max bid was $21. I didn't make a mistake by bidding $22. After my bid I looked at the listings and decided to step out. I think the sale price is fair for the game in such a good condition. If you don't want it, I take the second change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre81 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 And you managed to bid up all other Taiwan auctions exactly to the current bidders highest bid. How do you know that? My max bid was $29 and the current bid was then $30. The max could have been anything. I wanted all 6 games and the total would have been $200+. That's when I've decided to step out and also not to buy a single game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almost Rice Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 now posting just as fast as he bids and retracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-topdog Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I have bought lots of stuff from eightiesvault and he is a great guy. Be careful throwing around accusations like this and harming someone's good reputation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northwinds Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 You are right here. I probably was wrong about the shill bidding. In that case my apologies to eightiesvault. It appears to be just an Ebay member with a questionable bidding behaviour..... Well, here is nothing new. I have bought lots of stuff from eightiesvault and he is a great guy. Be careful throwing around accusations like this and harming someone's good reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Very odd behaviour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinKarpis Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) No, I wanted the complete set. And because the price for the complete set got to high I decided not to buy single game. As you can see from the bidding list I actually matched your bid of $21. So I knew your max bid was $21. I didn't make a mistake by bidding $22. After my bid I looked at the listings and decided to step out. I think the sale price is fair for the game in such a good condition. If you don't want it, I take the second change. So your showing off that you just spent $650.00 with this seller and now all of the sudden you retract a bid of$21.00 because its too high? Whats a matter Mr Money bags? How can the pocket change of $21.00 matter to you when your dropping $650.00 like its nothing with this seller? That in it self is ludicrous Ebay logic I smell something very fishy, I can spot a crooked Ebayer from miles away Edited November 16, 2011 by AlvinKarpis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VertigoProcess Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Did the buyer make a account just to post on this thread? Seems kinda weird to me... I can't see his post count since im on my phone but it seems that way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Did the buyer make a account just to post on this thread? Seems kinda weird to me... I can't see his post count since im on my phone but it seems that way... No, he has been around for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 And you managed to bid up all other Taiwan auctions exactly to the current bidders highest bid. How do you know that? My max bid was $29 and the current bid was then $30. The max could have been anything. I wanted all 6 games and the total would have been $200+. That's when I've decided to step out and also not to buy a single game. As an aside, these Venezuelan seller have truckloads of copies of each title. You would be better off contacting the seller and asking for a packaged deal rather than bidding on individual items... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre81 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 As an aside, these Venezuelan seller have truckloads of copies of each title. You would be better off contacting the seller and asking for a packaged deal rather than bidding on individual items... I know, that's why I've stepped out. But you have to consider that most Taiwan Cooper games are not in such a good condition. The set he sold here was pretty much flawless. I rather pay $20 for a box in flawless condition than $10 or $15 for one with dents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 If you see a game coming out of South America you can bet it's only worth $5 or soon will be only worth $5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragos Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 awww, all the poor people upset with someones perfectly valid bidding habits.... what an exciting life you must lead that this concerns you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelliK111 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I have bought from eightiesvault many times in the last fews months and he has been a great seller and wonderful to work with. I was shocked at what was being said here so I looked up all of my transactions with him and sure enough not one of the "shill bidders" was on any of the auctions I bid on in the past(witch you would think if he is doing shill bidding you would see the same bidder from some auctions a few months ago that didn't win....right ). I also paid more for the same games than the guy who is upset over shill bidding(it's just who is watching and bidding at that time ). Unless eightiesvault has a army of people bidding for him (sarcasm) , I see these accusations as crap and a waste of time. @northwinds you got some great games in great condition for a great price! You should be happy instead of making unfounded accusation that are next to impossible to prove unless you work for ebay and can look on everyone's history of bids. You did your part on reporting it but if ebay doesn't find anything you really shouldn't drag someones name through the mud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicTom Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) Please look at the auctions from Venezuela based 'eightiesvault'. This is the one that I won, but in my auction the shill bidder made a mistake, he actually won the auction and then retracted his bid! : eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790651028 See also the bid histories of these examples, all auctions bid up right until the bidder could see that he would be the highest bidder if he put up another bid: eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790644383 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790639898 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790639121 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320790625692 There are more, this is only a selection! I have reported the items to Ebay, I hope they will actually look into this..... Get a life and may the Norhwinds blow you the heck outta here. Edited November 18, 2011 by ClassicTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northwinds Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 And which cat dragged you into this thread Tommieboy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightiesvault Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Hi everyone, I´m the Ebay seller eightiesvault, I can assure the AtariAge community that I never had used Shill bidding, in fact like 70 - 80% of my sales only gets one bid, I also had moved recently to list many "Buy it now" at prices below average fro new items (or at least was my intention). When no bidding is used. Also another fact is that probably 50% of my sales are for re-sellers who list a those items at very expensive Buy it now, especially on Europe. Of course those resellers (the bad ones, of course) are interested keep other buyers away from auctions, I don´t know if this is the case. I´m not responsible for the bidding behavior on my listing, but I get once a case of a bidder who retracted many times his bids that I just block him. The Case of Andre is very different, since is my best customer (in Money amount, there are many great people who deserve that title) He´s collecting from almost every vintage items and loves new items, so he comeback very often to my store. There´s also a big story behind this, I reserve myself to judge, but these two persons are the only neutral and negative feedback I ever received and one casually mention the other, please be the judge. Here´s my first post (the main reason I subscribe today) http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/87198-bad-trader-alert/page__st__400 Thanks for reading my side of the story 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-topdog Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Thanks for reading my side of the story You don't need to defend yourself here, I have always been happy with our transactions and know that you are a straight shooter. I do not believe for one second that you would ever be involved in shilling. I personally vouch for you and the quality of your items. This was just a case of someone misreading what they were seeing in a few auctions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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