Albert Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 wow, just wow... I just posted a message in that thread. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 wow, just wow... It's not like programmers wake up every morning Hell bent on building games that won't run on the flashback 2... It's just that it really has some flaws that break its compatibility with code that runs on real hardware. That the poster thinks Space Rocks and Star Castle were built with BB really showcases his naivety of programming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It's not like programmers wake up every morning Hell bent on building games that won't run on the flashback 2... It's just that it really has some flaws that break its compatibility with code that runs on real hardware. That the poster thinks Space Rocks and Star Castle were built with BB really showcases his naivety of programming. I have no idea where he even got that idea--perhaps he just assumes that any homebrew games that don't run on the Flashback 2 are batari Basic games? And knocking all batari Basic games as amongst the "worst" 2600 homebrews isn't fair either, since there are many excellent batari Basic games. ..Al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 (edited) It's been explained it to him a number of times that it's a design problem with the FB2 which prevents DPC, DPC+, SARA and other advanced techniques from working. I know I pointed him to that at least twice. Edited March 26, 2013 by SpiceWare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I have no idea where he even got that idea--perhaps he just assumes that any homebrew games that don't run on the Flashback 2 are batari Basic games? And knocking all batari Basic games as amongst the "worst" 2600 homebrews isn't fair either, since there are many excellent batari Basic games. True. But the original poster in that thread was spot-on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 IDK if the internet creates new stupidity or just reveals already ingrained stupidity. But there sure is enough going around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iesposta Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I remember reading about N.E.R.D.S., but missed that comment! Is Space Rocks going to be offered with a box? If not, I still want one with my art and one with the winning artwork! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I'm pretty sure Albert ships every game in a box of some sort. Envelopes just wouldn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Is Space Rocks going to be offered with a box? If not, I still want one with my art and one with the winning artwork! I'm waiting for a quote on boxes, so possibly. ..Al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It's been explained it to him a number of times that it's a design problem with the FB2 which prevents DPC, DPC+, SARA and other advanced techniques from working. I know I pointed him to that at least twice. I also had some discussion with him on this. And I got the feeling that no matter what anyone said, and how he responded, he still wasn't going to get the point (intentionally, IMO). And sure enough, he simply goes to another site and starts bad-mouthing there. I'd suggested that if a game doesn't run in Stella (because the emulation is wrong in some way), that is not a reason to change the game to make it work. By definition, if a game works on the real thing and not in simulation/emulation, then it is the fault of the simulation (which is what a Flashback is, no matter how he wants to spin it). Geesh, some people just really don't get things sometimes ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emehr Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I just posted a message in that thread. ..Al That guy's username should be brickwall. Holy cow. Way to damn homebrews that don't run on a clone. That's like saying Castlevania III is the worst game because it doesn't run on the Super Fun Happy Famijoy 3 Plus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnieg Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Its frustrating considering the time & effort home brewers but in and the fact that its supposed to be fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almightytodd Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I followed some links from the Atari.com Arcade Developer site and ended up here... (Requires HTML5 compatible browser) http://www.createjs.com/#!/EaselJS/demos/game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerSpaceFan Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It's been explained it to him a number of times that it's a design problem with the FB2 which prevents DPC, DPC+, SARA and other advanced techniques from working. I know I pointed him to that at least twice. I also had some discussion with him on this. And I got the feeling that no matter what anyone said, and how he responded, he still wasn't going to get the point (intentionally, IMO). And sure enough, he simply goes to another site and starts bad-mouthing there. I'd suggested that if a game doesn't run in Stella (because the emulation is wrong in some way), that is not a reason to change the game to make it work. By definition, if a game works on the real thing and not in simulation/emulation, then it is the fault of the simulation (which is what a Flashback is, no matter how he wants to spin it). Geesh, some people just really don't get things sometimes ... Hi there, yup it's me the bad-mouther. Sorry I didn't get a chance to catch up on any of these discussions, I was out of town. Anyway, I sincerely want to thank SpiceWare for the detailed explanation about the FB2 limitations (twice, I know) and you can all consider me "schooled" at this point. I think the reason I whine and complain about all of this is because modern gaming both on PC and consoles is a pile of compatibility nightmares sometimes and when I think of the 2600 I think of a simpler time when things just work so when I load up a homebrew on my modded FB2 and it doesn't work it gets my back up. I tend to rage and take out my frustrations online when really I should be happy that there are such awesome games being made for the 2600. So this is me genuinely apologizing for all the cantankerous remarks I have made and thanking you all for patiently explaining to me the issues. I'll be keeping my mouth shut on this issue from now on. Promise. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Hi there, yup it's me the bad-mouther. Sorry I didn't get a chance to catch up on any of these discussions, I was out of town. Anyway, I sincerely want to thank SpiceWare for the detailed explanation about the FB2 limitations (twice, I know) and you can all consider me "schooled" at this point. I think the reason I whine and complain about all of this is because modern gaming both on PC and consoles is a pile of compatibility nightmares sometimes and when I think of the 2600 I think of a simpler time when things just work so when I load up a homebrew on my modded FB2 and it doesn't work it gets my back up. I tend to rage and take out my frustrations online when really I should be happy that there are such awesome games being made for the 2600. So this is me genuinely apologizing for all the cantankerous remarks I have made and thanking you all for patiently explaining to me the issues. I'll be keeping my mouth shut on this issue from now on. Promise. To what address should we send the real 2600 so you can play these games and speak of them with first hand knowledge? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerSpaceFan Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 To what address should we send the real 2600 so you can play these games and speak of them with first hand knowledge? Heh heh heh very kind offer BigO, much appreciated. I just hope everyone continues to let me post here on AA. No doubt between this FB stuff and the awesome guys at No Quarter getting the venting of my ire, I'm surprised Albert and company haven't banned me by now. And to that end, I'm totally going to count to ten before I post from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nateo Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Heh heh heh very kind offer BigO, much appreciated. I just hope everyone continues to let me post here on AA. No doubt between this FB stuff and the awesome guys at No Quarter getting the venting of my ire, I'm surprised Albert and company haven't banned me by now. And to that end, I'm totally going to count to ten before I post from now on. Takes a lot of guts to admit that kind of thing.... good for you, and I don't mean that facetiously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) Takes a lot of guts to admit that kind of thing.... good for you, and I don't mean that facetiously. Agreed. Edited March 27, 2013 by BigO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Agreed. I think the biggest problem was our previous explanations of the A12 problem did not explain it well enough. I'm hoping that my latest explanation made it understandable so that he's not apologizing "just because we caught him". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Heh heh heh very kind offer BigO, much appreciated. I just hope everyone continues to let me post here on AA. No doubt between this FB stuff and the awesome guys at No Quarter getting the venting of my ire, I'm surprised Albert and company haven't banned me by now. And to that end, I'm totally going to count to ten before I post from now on. You'd have to do quite a bit more than that to get banned. And no reason to keep your mouth shut. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerSpaceFan Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Agreed. I think the biggest problem was our previous explanations of the A12 problem did not explain it well enough. I'm hoping that my latest explanation made it understandable so that he's not apologizing "just because we caught him". Nope no worries SpiceWare, your explanation totally nailed it. And I am genuinely apologizing, I am glad my venting was called out and cleared up for being baseless, it makes the whole situation a heck of a lot more liveable. I see my FB2 in a clearer light now and will absolutely understand its limitations. I promise not to take it out on the excellent work homebrewers are doing such as Space Rocks and the others. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algus Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Oh my god SpiceWare. Thanks for posting a link to this game on my blog. I don't know how it flew under my radar. I didn't think it would be possible for someone to invent a version of Asteroids that exceeded my love for the 2600 version. Irks me about my 7800's issues in 2600 mode though. I might try running it on my Nexus 7 as I get a real sharp picture there. I suppose I should invest in a modded 2600 Jr lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Thanks! I thought you might have missed it. If the pictures too dark then try to increase your display's brightness and/or color settings to see if it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roryjr Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Starting to wish I had not found this site. So many homebrews coming that I want to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Here's a photo I took earlier today that contains a Space Rocks box. ..Al 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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