Byte Knight Posted August 12, 2012 Author Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) Randomized Level 3 is now done. I don't believe that I locked any of the castle keys in their own castle. I thought the game was a little too easy so I made the Evil Magician a little harder to kill in Levels 2 & 3 - it now takes two hits to drop him. Thoughts? EMRII19.bin Also, I fixed the bug in which you could win the game by bringing the chalice to the white castle. Just a minor bug... Edited August 12, 2012 by Byte Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 cool, I will be playing level 3 tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I don't believe that I locked any of the castle keys in their own castle... Thoughts? Have you made sure you don't have a circle condition such as white key in red castle, red key in white castle? It could even by worse such as white key in red castle, red key in gold castle, gold key in white castle. It might be easier to randomize everything except the keys, and for the keys have a table that defines the locations for the keys as a group. Then select a random grouping. This way you can prevent a circular condition but still have everything randomized. KeyLocations: ; key grouping 0 .byte room, x, y ; gold key .byte room, x, y ; white key .byte room, x, y ; black key .byte room, x, y ; red key ; key grouping 1 .byte room, x, y ; gold key .byte room, x, y ; white key .byte room, x, y ; black key .byte room, x, y ; red key ... ; key grouping 15 .byte room, x, y ; gold key .byte room, x, y ; white key .byte room, x, y ; black key .byte room, x, y ; red key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byte Knight Posted August 12, 2012 Author Share Posted August 12, 2012 Have you made sure you don't have a circle condition such as white key in red castle, red key in white castle? It could even by worse such as white key in red castle, red key in gold castle, gold key in white castle. It might be easier to randomize everything except the keys, and for the keys have a table that defines the locations for the keys as a group. Then select a random grouping. This way you can prevent a circular condition but still have everything randomized. Thanks for the suggestion. The items are not truly randomized - there's a total of 16 different levels with items in certain locations. One of these 16 levels is picked randomly when Level 3 is selected, and then hopefully the bat will randomize the items further. I played through all 16 levels once, so they should work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman jack Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Randomized Level 3 is now done. I don't believe that I locked any of the castle keys in their own castle. I thought the game was a little too easy so I made the Evil Magician a little harder to kill in Levels 2 & 3 - it now takes two hits to drop him. Thoughts? EMRII19.bin Also, I fixed the bug in which you could win the game by bringing the chalice to the white castle. Just a minor bug... Good addition. Two hits suits levels 2 and 3 better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonner242 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Finally got around to playing it! Ive tried it on stella. Works fine for me. Outstanding gamme...Great job so far! I like the blacked out room...tho for some reason I ALWAYS DIE by the wizard. I dig the flicker/glowing torch lights too. Cant wait to see more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byte Knight Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Bug fixes - the randomizer for Level 3 was picking the same level each time and that's been fixed. Level 3 should be much more random now! EMRII20.bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hey, I heard that playfield pixel commands don't work in DPC+. How do you create the single pixel exit in your castle and other places? Is it all just playfield: statements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byte Knight Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hey, I heard that playfield pixel commands don't work in DPC+. How do you create the single pixel exit in your castle and other places? Is it all just playfield: statements? You are correct sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hey, I heard that playfield pixel commands don't work in DPC+. How do you create the single pixel exit in your castle and other places? Is it all just playfield: statements? You are correct sir! If you ever decide to do a randomized Adventure homage I found that in the normal kernel you can use partial playfield: statements -> pfscroll then more partial playfield statements to stack playfield sections. Not as good as pfpixel but at least something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byte Knight Posted August 16, 2012 Author Share Posted August 16, 2012 Yet another bug fix - the Evil Magician was invincible after he was resurrected. Now he takes two hits to kill after he's resurrected by his apprentice. I've played a TON of Level 3 and everything else seems to be working... EMRII21.bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrekMD Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 This game gets better and better. Nice job! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4ever2600 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 This is an excellent game showing off what the DPC can do to an adventure game! Great work!! I can't wait for this to be finished!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMos3 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 It's looking great. I have a suggestion though: It seems to me that inside the home castle should be a safe screen where enemies cannot go. I'm nearly convinced that there are still some unwinnable games. I've been playing around with a game on level 2 and after combing every area many many ...many multiple times, I still cannot find the chalice. It hasn't been a problem before, (after all, the first time I completed the game was on level 2), but in this particular game it is. That's leading me to believe that the chalice is somewhere not accessible in this particular game. I've not hit RESET because I wanted to keep checking to be sure and I'm finally about to give up and start a new game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byte Knight Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 It's looking great. I have a suggestion though: It seems to me that inside the home castle should be a safe screen where enemies cannot go. I could do this relatively easily, but is the home castle room "safe" in the original Adventure? I can't remember... Naturally the bat should be able to go in there or you could just pool all of your items in there. I'm nearly convinced that there are still some unwinnable games. I've been playing around with a game on level 2 and after combing every area many many ...many multiple times, I still cannot find the chalice. It hasn't been a problem before, (after all, the first time I completed the game was on level 2), but in this particular game it is. That's leading me to believe that the chalice is somewhere not accessible in this particular game. I've not hit RESET because I wanted to keep checking to be sure and I'm finally about to give up and start a new game. The chalice starts out in the white castle in Level 2. I'm assuming you explored all four rooms in the white castle. If the bat moved it, it could be behind a wall in the dark mazes. Grab the staff and hold the button down walking from room to room to see if it's "stuck" somewhere. Also, the dragon guards the chalice, so if you find him sticking to one room then the chalice should be there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 It's looking great. I have a suggestion though: It seems to me that inside the home castle should be a safe screen where enemies cannot go. I could do this relatively easily, but is the home castle room "safe" in the original Adventure? I can't remember... Naturally the bat should be able to go in there or you could just pool all of your items in there. I'm nearly convinced that there are still some unwinnable games. I've been playing around with a game on level 2 and after combing every area many many ...many multiple times, I still cannot find the chalice. It hasn't been a problem before, (after all, the first time I completed the game was on level 2), but in this particular game it is. That's leading me to believe that the chalice is somewhere not accessible in this particular game. I've not hit RESET because I wanted to keep checking to be sure and I'm finally about to give up and start a new game. The chalice starts out in the white castle in Level 2. I'm assuming you explored all four rooms in the white castle. If the bat moved it, it could be behind a wall in the dark mazes. Grab the staff and hold the button down walking from room to room to see if it's "stuck" somewhere. Also, the dragon guards the chalice, so if you find him sticking to one room then the chalice should be there... i had that happen and i did just that... walked around the mazes holding down my button with the staff and i finally found it after like 15 minutes... i think the bat moved it a couple of times in between. but i will keep trying level 2 to and look for the chalice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMos3 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 (edited) It's looking great. I have a suggestion though: It seems to me that inside the home castle should be a safe screen where enemies cannot go. I could do this relatively easily, but is the home castle room "safe" in the original Adventure? I can't remember... Naturally the bat should be able to go in there or you could just pool all of your items in there. Yes, it's a safe room in the original Adventure. As far as I can remember, even the bat cannot go in there unless you first carry him in. I would sometimes leave an item there (like the sword) to keep it safe while I would go about unlocking a castle. It was not a good idea to put ALL your items in there because you want to have something outside to bargain with. If there's nothing outside, the bat is sure to take what you're holding. Leaving him other item(s) can keep him busy for a bit or lure him into swapping back an item he just took from you. edit: in fact, I believe that same rule applied to all castles; the bat could not go in unless you first carried him in, but after that he could come & go as he pleased. The chalice starts out in the white castle in Level 2. I'm assuming you explored all four rooms in the white castle. If the bat moved it, it could be behind a wall in the dark mazes. Grab the staff and hold the button down walking from room to room to see if it's "stuck" somewhere. Also, the dragon guards the chalice, so if you find him sticking to one room then the chalice should be there...I believe the bat may have moved it to someplace I could not get to. I kept playing for a bit and got killed by the magician several times while continuing to re-re-...re-search the screens. Eventually, after one of my deaths, the chalice appeared on the screen right below the yellow castle & I was able to finish the game. Edited August 19, 2012 by KevinMos3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accousticguitar Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 In Adventure bats and dragons can enter castles if the castle gate is open, you are in the room where the open gate is, and the bat or dragon collides with the open gate. I believe it is also possible for a dragon to be in the castle at the start of a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) In Adventure bats and dragons can enter castles if the castle gate is open, you are in the room where the open gate is, and the bat or dragon collides with the open gate. I believe it is also possible for a dragon to be in the castle at the start of a game. i think your right, im almost positive that i remember seeing the bat in there before and dragons Edited August 20, 2012 by AtariBrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byte Knight Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 Yes, it's a safe room in the original Adventure. As far as I can remember, even the bat cannot go in there unless you first carry him in. I would sometimes leave an item there (like the sword) to keep it safe while I would go about unlocking a castle. It was not a good idea to put ALL your items in there because you want to have something outside to bargain with. If there's nothing outside, the bat is sure to take what you're holding. Leaving him other item(s) can keep him busy for a bit or lure him into swapping back an item he just took from you. edit: in fact, I believe that same rule applied to all castles; the bat could not go in unless you first carried him in, but after that he could come & go as he pleased. OK, I'll incorporate the gold castle "safe room" into the next release. The bat will still be able to fly into the other castles if they're open though. I believe the bat may have moved it to someplace I could not get to. I kept playing for a bit and got killed by the magician several times while continuing to re-re-...re-search the screens. Eventually, after one of my deaths, the chalice appeared on the screen right below the yellow castle & I was able to finish the game. Thanks for the extensive testing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Yes, it's a safe room in the original Adventure. As far as I can remember, even the bat cannot go in there unless you first carry him in. I would sometimes leave an item there (like the sword) to keep it safe while I would go about unlocking a castle. It was not a good idea to put ALL your items in there because you want to have something outside to bargain with. If there's nothing outside, the bat is sure to take what you're holding. Leaving him other item(s) can keep him busy for a bit or lure him into swapping back an item he just took from you. edit: in fact, I believe that same rule applied to all castles; the bat could not go in unless you first carried him in, but after that he could come & go as he pleased. OK, I'll incorporate the gold castle "safe room" into the next release. The bat will still be able to fly into the other castles if they're open though. I believe the bat may have moved it to someplace I could not get to. I kept playing for a bit and got killed by the magician several times while continuing to re-re-...re-search the screens. Eventually, after one of my deaths, the chalice appeared on the screen right below the yellow castle & I was able to finish the game. Thanks for the extensive testing! Todd, I sent you an email a few days ago... dont know if you got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMos3 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 In Adventure bats and dragons can enter castles if the castle gate is open, you are in the room where the open gate is, and the bat or dragon collides with the open gate. I believe it is also possible for a dragon to be in the castle at the start of a game. Yes, for example: the yellow dragon is locked inside the White Castle at the start of the game until you open the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byte Knight Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 In Adventure bats and dragons can enter castles if the castle gate is open, you are in the room where the open gate is, and the bat or dragon collides with the open gate. I believe it is also possible for a dragon to be in the castle at the start of a game. Yes, for example: the yellow dragon is locked inside the White Castle at the start of the game until you open the gate. So then the bat and dragons can enter the Gold Castle in Adventure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMos3 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) So then the bat and dragons can enter the Gold Castle in Adventure? No. A bat cannot enter the yellow castle. A dragon cannot enter the yellow castle (unless you're carrying a bat that's carrying a dragon). Bats generally can't enter any of the castles except under the circumstances mentioned earlier by accousticguitar & myself. Certain dragons begin game 2 locked in certain castles (the yellow dragon is locked in the white castle in game 2 and can't leave until the castle is unlocked; the red dragon guards the chalice inside the black castle). In game 3, objects' and dragons' starting locations are randomized, so a dragon may or may not start out in a castle, but will never chase you into the yellow castle. I've not yet been able to get a dragon to chase me into any castle. For example, a dragon will guard an object such as the magnet. I can take the magnet from a dragon and run into the black castle and he will not enter. Again, bats cannot go into any castles unless the certain conditions mentioned earlier are met. You can test this by placing all objects into various castles and they will stay there. Of course, you may wish to have different behaviors for your game. I'm just saying what the behavior is for Adventure. Edited August 21, 2012 by KevinMos3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accousticguitar Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 In Adventure bats and dragons can enter castles if the castle gate is open, you are in the room where the open gate is, and the bat or dragon collides with the open gate. I believe it is also possible for a dragon to be in the castle at the start of a game. Yes, for example: the yellow dragon is locked inside the White Castle at the start of the game until you open the gate. So then the bat and dragons can enter the Gold Castle in Adventure? I believe they can. The trick is to get them moving up, since if they are moving in a downward motion they will exit the castle immediately after hitting the open portcullis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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