+Gemintronic Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Along with a Japanese Sony rep saying that used games will be allowed on the PS4, Kotaku confirmed that a constant online connection will NOT be required. http://kotaku.com/59...line-connection So that seems to be two major rumors about the PS4 shot down. I'm still curious as to pricing. With current PS3's selling in the $269 - $299, I don't believe this new console will come in under $399. And as I've said, I don't believe ANY console will fly off the shelves at an over $300 price point. Time will tell.... I already stated this, but, Sony made that patent for a reason. They will use it. It's not a rumor "shot down" It's a sound tactical decision to NOT announce it (used games ban & other evil) straightaway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I could care less about backward compatibility....thats what old consoles are for. Glad to hear that used games will work since I'm a GameFly subscriber. Not sure if I'll be getting a PS4 or whatever Microsoft comes out with yet. I didn't bother with a PS3 last gen due to the Xbox 360 fulfilling my current gen needs...I'll likely only be getting one or the other in the next gen as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlysublime Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 the 8GB must have been a last-minute knee-jerk reaction to rumors that the next Xbox had 8 GB. because the PS4 development kit only has 8GB. you can't have a development kit that has the same RAM as the console! you need RAM and other things in order to run the IDE. how do you create a virtual simulation of your program that uses 8GB but your development kit only has 8GB? page it off the hard drive? no way. that would be a very poor development kit. there are also rumors that there are some 16 GB development kits out there. a 16 GB dev kit would definitely be in-line with an 8 GB final platform (a 12GB dev kit would also work as the IDE doesn't need that much RAM). so it seems very strange to have some 8 GB development kits and some 16 GB dev kits. so it'd be my guess that the 16 GB kits were released lately to replace the 8 GB kits as Sony switched from an 4GB console to an 8GB console. this is where competition is a good thing. but switching from 4 GB to 8 GB GDDR5 is a pricey switch. 8GB of GDDR5 on the PC side of things is $150+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKC Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I wasn't overly that impressed with the games they showed. I was watching it on IGN's live feed and they had their editotial staff making comments below it and they were like teenaged girls at a Justin Bieber concert. Needless to say I didn't see it,but maybe that's the age we're living in; jaw dropping leaps are a thing of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Atari_Warlord Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I was a little underwhelmed by the press conference. Unless I missed something, I didn't see what the console would look like or what it would cost? The only thing that got me a little excited was that the lead designer started at Atari and created Marble Madness. Maybe he is still trying to convince them to do it with wood grain and put a cartridge slot in to make it compatible with the 2600. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Maybe he is still trying to convince them to do it with wood grain and put a cartridge slot in to make it compatible with the 2600. Now THAT'S a console to get excited about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VGC1612 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) ... Edited February 21, 2013 by VGC1612 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starscream Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Seriously, all these years later and your response to every post about anyone is still "Nintendo boo!" Of course. Easy target. I did make fun of Sony too if that makes you calmer. My lack of emoticons is somewhat disturbing I suppose. Play nice. This whole thread has had so much sarcasm and you seemed to have missed most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarifever Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Of course. Easy target. I did make fun of Sony too if that makes you calmer. Why would that make me calmer? I was calm anyway. If you read the rest of my posts, they're all pro PS4. You seem to have some mistaken assumption of some kind. It's not like you made fun of PCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xg4bx Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I already stated this, but, Sony made that patent for a reason. They will use it. It's not a rumor "shot down" It's a sound tactical decision to NOT announce it (used games ban & other evil) straightaway. It's still months away, there's plenty of time for the flies in the ointment to surface. All I need to picture is the current PS3 hardware which is an utter shell of it's former self. I don't trust Sony as far as I can throw them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlysublime Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 there was a lot that was not said at the conference. so much detail missing. lots of wiggle room for things to be revealed or changed. that's why it's too soon to get enthusiastic or dismissive. It's going to take time for all of it to shake out. like now it appears there is a caveat to the idea about whether or not the PS4 is anti-used games: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/yoshida-used-games-caveat/ Sony head of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida is a gregarious, smart, talkative interviewee. And that's exactly why it was so weird that he fully waffled when we asked him to address whether or not the newly unveiled PlayStation 4 will play used games. "That's my expectation, that PS4 games will work on [the] hardware. That's my expectation," he told us in an interview this morning. When we pushed to clarify what he meant, Yoshida stuttered. "Ummm ... yeah. We have to really name our system services to explain more about it," he added. That's a similar answer to what he told Eurogamer last night at Sony's big PlayStation 4 announcement event, vagueness and all. Yes, used games "can play on PS4," but does it require a license repurchase? Perhaps you have to belong to an as-yet-unidentified PS4 online network? It's not entirely clear, but there seems to be a caveat to the statement, "Used games work on PS4." Sony, however, isn't saying what that caveat is just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Wow. So does that mean I can't play my PS1 downloads I've been transferring to new units for years? Way to go Sony. Way to go, heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Sony had a live conference not too long ago about the PS4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0rJDn0jRnUQ 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starscream Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 thanks remo i also just read that the ps4 will be 4k enabled even though no media will be for a while. That is interesting to me and i hope it is supported at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I have to say I do like the look of that controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlysublime Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 thanks remo i also just read that the ps4 will be 4k enabled even though no media will be for a while. That is interesting to me and i hope it is supported at some point. that's a function of where graphics card technology is nowadays. 4K is 3840 pixels × 2160 pixels. I'm still wondering whether a low/mid-end Radeon (which is what's in the next-gen consoles) can decode an h.264 stream at that resolution. at least they're not trying to BS that games will be in 4K like they did when they said 1080p would be the norm for the PS3. i'm curious about how far along h.265 is. right now, all our devices have hardware support for h.264 which is why we can run beautiful h.264 videos on weak CPUs of cell phones and other devices. once we start moving on to h.265 I wonder where that leaves consoles because PCs are upgradable. cell phones are considered disposable by a huge part of the population. consoles aren't upgraded like PCs. then again, people migrate from standard to standard glacially so it shouldn't be a problem for consoles. then again, consoles aren't multitaskers. you don't need to watch a video while working on a document. So software decoding shouldn't be a problem. as a fan of tech, I like to see where things head and the possibilities are interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Seems they didn't say whether the PS4 will block used games or not. They kind of side stepped the issue: http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/think-the-ps4-wil-be-best-friends-with-used-games-not-so-fast “We are just now announcing the basic vision and strategy of PS4 and will have more information to share regarding used games later this year. But PlayStation has a long history of keeping its gamers happy and we won’t make decisions that damage our relationship with them.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 “We are just now announcing the basic vision and strategy of PS4 and will have more information to share regarding used games later this year. But PlayStation has a long history of gamers and we make decisions that damage our relationship with them.” Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I'm not surprised that Sony is being somewhat coy about the subject of used games. How would it look for them if they said "no used games" now, and MS comes out at E3 and says "Oh... you can play used games on the 720" (or whatever it is called by then). My guess is that both will allow you to buy a used game but will charge you additional for a license... or it is just a demo and you have to pony up more to unlock the full game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Whatever happens, I think this will end up being one expensive box when it comes out. Early models will overheat, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarifever Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0rJDn0jRnUQ That is the funniest thing I have ever seen. Actually clever videogame press conference stuff on youtube. I didn't think it could actually happen. The people who did that need to do one for the "Year of Luigi" Nintendo Direct too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Well at least for now the latest news is that Sony & Yoshida: PlayStation 4 wont block used games / PS4 will NOT require and always on online connection. Let's see if that remains they case. Oh and also: Yoshida: DualShock 3 won't work with PS4. Edited February 22, 2013 by OldSchoolRetroGamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlysublime Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Well at least for now the latest news is that Sony & Yoshida: PlayStation 4 wont block used games / PS4 will NOT require and always on online connection. Let's see if that remains they case. Oh and also: Yoshida: DualShock 3 won't work with PS4. actually. the anti-used game stance is stlll in doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammR25 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Some used games are blocked now. The online portion of them is blocked without paying extra money. That could be why he waffled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Oh and also: Yoshida: DualShock 3 won't work with PS4. Y'Know, we keep talking about BC in terms of games, but isn't it about time we started insisting on it for controllers too? We don't need to re-invent the wheel with every hardware generation, and it'd be nice to be able to use your old controllers on the newer system. Oddly, the company that changes their controllers the MOST, Nintendo, has had some measure of controller compatibility since the GameCube days. I have to admit, one reason I'm looking at the Wii-U is knowing that I don't have to drop another $100 on controllers for my three friends. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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