PS4 Announced

[Andromeda Stardust]

Y'Know, we keep talking about BC in terms of games, but isn't it about time we started insisting on it for controllers too? We don't need to re-invent the wheel with every hardware generation, and it'd be nice to be able to use your old controllers on the newer system. Oddly, the company that changes their controllers the MOST, Nintendo, has had some measure of controller compatibility since the GameCube days. I have to admit, one reason I'm looking at the Wii-U is knowing that I don't have to drop another $100 on controllers for my three friends.

A lot of multiplayer games utilize the Wiimotes. Also, you can still use Classic Controllers Dongled to Wiimotes instead of Pro controllers in some games.

[moycon]

I wish I could use my 5200 controller on the PS4.

I know they could do it if they wanted. Sony is so lame... and greedy.

[Schizophretard]

I could care less about backward compatibility....thats what old consoles are for.

 

But older Playstations aren't solid state like cartridge based consoles. The moving parts will give out. I have already sent my PS3 in for repairs. Backwards compatibility is more important now then it ever was.

[Tr3vor]

This thread is too TL;DR for me at the moment, but I'll throw in what I've seen from the press conference and the released specs.

 

First of all, Jaguar Cores for a CPU? Really? Is this next generation? For those of you who don't know, Jaguar Cores were released to compete with Intel's ATOM processors, the slowest piles of junk you'll ever use. Judging from the specs of Jaguar cores, The PS3's cell processor is almost as powerful, hardly an upgrade. The only upside to this is that its probably easier to program for. It has a Blu Ray drive @ 6x speed, so faster loading. and no "only download" poop that has been going around. That is definitely where its heading, but its not ready yet. All of the demos but one were pre-rendered so I couldn't really measure it up to my pc or the PS3 or anything, but the Watch Dogs demo was actual gameplay. The the graphics are looking how I expected them to be, with the Watch Dogs demo (that was a live demo) and they are good. Hopefully games will be running at native 1080p, and not WSVGA upscaled to 720p or 1080p, you can tell, it makes the image look aliased and blurry. Though I'm not sure how well that CPU is gonna hold in the long run, considering its for high end tablets and netbooks....

 

The controller doesn't look that good. Everything looks cramped together. The touch pad almost looks useless, I picked up my PS3 controller, and tried to imagine a touch pad there, and its not comfortable reaching over there anyway. I loved the convex joysticks on the Dualshock controllers, they let me roll my thumb off the stick as I play, instead of sucking my thumb into the stick and forcing me to move my whole thumb to control the game, like the xbox 360 controller. It appears that they tried to do a little bit of both, but it still doesn't look that comfortable to me. I don't care much for the share button on the controller, and its placement, just imagine hitting that on accident and then having the PS4 rape your internet connection by streaming. Why not let that be a menu option?

 

The concept of a new inFamous game excites me, I like that game franchise a lot.

 

In the end, I'm not getting one. I've had my mind made up for about 7 months about that, since I got my PC. I'll be able to enjoy Watch Dogs on the PC, and I won't have to deal with a gimped CPU. People were complaining about the Wii U CPU (which is basically a tri-core version of the Wii's CPU, which was an overclocked GCN CPU) being slow, this is gonna be right next to it.

 

And 4k? don't even count on it, its not happening. 4k isn't ready, last time I checked a 4k TV costs $20,000. Even the highest of the high end PCs choke on 4k resolutions when gaming. It would be like designing the Gamecube for 1080p, there just isn't any reason. I've seen an integrated video solution run 4k video on a demo video of CES, so just video at that resolution takes hardly anything.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Tr3vor

[Reaperman]

So I guess this means that we can pretty much expect no more ps3 games from here on out then.

[Atarifever]

So I guess this means that we can pretty much expect no more ps3 games from here on out then.

 

Actually, the PS3 release list looks pretty large to me. This is the most surprising thing about the no BC announcements. The guys on the IGN Playstation podcast were saying last week that despite the great new releases, they still don't care much about them. Basically, it says "hey, here's a cool new game, and it looks awesome, and isn't nearly as good as the stuff you can be playing really soon on the PS4!" They also mentioned how they don't want to have two systems on the TV, so when the PS4 hits, the PS3 goes to a closet.

 

This is why I think some people would like BC when there are still great new games on the old system. Really, you can leave the PS3 hooked up next to your PS3 for the next couple years. But that can be annoying for some people I guess. Personally, I'd put one in the basement and the other on another TV, but I can still see the issue. The fact that Sony is banking on it not being that big an issue, probably means the uptake on BC from most people isn't all that high.

 

I really don't expect an end to PS3 games for the next couple years. With development and marketing costing what it does, and with the Wii U being less powerful than the other two new consoles will be, and with over 70 million consoels each already sold for the 360 and PS3, I'd assume "last gen" ports of a lot of third party games will be coming for quite some time to come. There will be new COD games on the 360 and PS3 for awhile yet, given the number of people who pretty much only own consoles for those games. And Destiny will likely be similar once it gets rolling. Then Sony did make a big deal out of the "10 year lifecycle" of the PS3, and will probably toss Vita ports on there until 2016 just so they don't have to have ot brought up against them in every interview they ever do.

[cimerians]

Its all about the games.

 

These things latch me on to PS3, PS4 etc.

 

God of War, Uncharted, Infamous, Sly Cooper and Japanese RPG's

 

If it wasn't for those games I woudn't get a PS4. I probably will eventually get one just for those exclusives and everything else will be on PC. Same with the next Xbox. I'll get one for exclusives like Halo but that will be it.

 

I won't be investing in large amounts of games on consoles ever again.

[Mendon]

I'm not ashamed to admit that when it comes to the technology and the hardware of gaming systems, I'm a complete dummy. I own the systems to play games, not figure out the spec's needed to accomplish this. Sort of like a lot of people fly the airlines but can't explain how flight is accomplished.

 

With that said, could someone explain what Sony is exactly saying with "Remote Play" and how it works?

 

A Sony rep said that "Our goal is to have every PS4 game playable on the Vita". Is he saying that you'll be able to play Diablo 3 on the Vita? Does the Vita have the power and resolution to accomplish this?

 

Or is "Remote Play" on the PS4/Vita like the Wii U/tablet, in that no horse power is needed to play the game on the tablet as the Wii U is doing the processing and the tablet is just receiving the stream?

[Atariboy]

It's just like what the Wii U does. The game is ran on the PS4 and the control inputs are sent wirelessly from Vita to PS4 while the video is streamed back to the Vita. You've been able to do similarly with some PS3 software with a PSP for years (And PSOne games). This is just an expansion of that to system-wide instead of select games (And hopefully an improvement with greater stability and quality).

 

I think you can even do that already with Vita and certain PS3 games. I'm pretty sure that the Team Ico collection supports that capability.

 

Edit - Here's a list.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Play#Games_and_Software_compatible_with_Remote_Play

Edited February 22, 2013 by Atariboy

[Mendon]

Thanks for the info; much appreciated!

 

Any idea what the range will be for the streaming, i.e. the Wii U is about 25ft? And the Vita has the resolution capabilities to handle all the new PS4 games?

[Atariboy]

Games will have to be downscaled for the Vita. But the same thing happens on the Wii U and people think games look excellent on the gamepad despite it only having a 480p screen. I forget what the Vita's resolution is off hand, but it's somewhere between 480p and 720p and straddles the ED/HD line. So games should look just fine on it even though they're below 720p.

 

No clue what the range even is on the PS3 with a Vita. The only reason I even knew that capability existed was because a store clerk told me how he played through Ico on his Vita when I bought the PS3 collection of the two Team Ico games a few month's back. But I imagine the biggest factor will be your own conditions in your home or apartment. Some people can take their Wii U gamepad into nearby room's and still stream just fine while other's have issues.

 

I wish I could use my 5200 controller on the PS4.

I know they could do it if they wanted. Sony is so lame... and greedy.

 

I don't see it as unreasonable to expect that Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 controller's operate on their successor's (At least for games that don't utilize any special features added to the new controller's). They likely won't though since selling accessories is one of the big profit areas for console manufacturer's.

 

Did Sony say anything one way or another on this subject the other day?

Edited February 22, 2013 by Atariboy

[+Gemintronic]

If Remote Play is anything like what it was on the PS3 it'll be a non-feature. Sony artificially restricted which games could use that feature so no one used it.

[toptenmaterial]

I give to you, without judgement, the official PS4 site: http://m.us.playstation.com/ps4/

 

Let's assume it's a "work in progress"!

[Tickled_Pink]

Sorry. Not interested. Whereas the 360 and PS2/PS3 spelled the death-knell of PC gaming, this next generation will see its resurrection.

 

There's been nothing wrong with current gen consoles. Now that they've added all the new features and services that they have over the past couple of years, they want us to scrap them all and start again.

 

Sorry. Won't be happening in this household.

[S1500]

Why play the same game on the Vita a few feet away when you can just play it on the real deal(ie the ps3/4)? I don't see what you get out of your own personal OnLive service .is this for people too lazy to walk 10 feet over to the next room?

[Atarifever]

Why play the same game on the Vita a few feet away when you can just play it on the real deal

So your wife or kids can use the TV like they always, always, always want to. Same reason you'd use the Wii U pad.

[moycon]

So your wife or kids can use the TV like they always, always, always want to. Same reason you'd use the Wii U pad.

 

So wait, in this scenario a person can afford to spend $100's and $100's of dollars on a PS4 and a Vita but they can't afford to buy their whiny wife and kids a TV so they can do what they've always, always, always wanted to do...watch TV? Newfoundland is weird place.

[Atarifever]

So wait, in this scenario a person can afford to spend $100's and $100's of dollars on a PS4 and a Vita but they can't afford to buy their whiny wife and kids a TV so they can do what they've always, always, always wanted to do...watch TV? Newfoundland is weird place.

It is strange that my console is in the room with the best TV and my wife and kids want to watch that one? I'll try to do better in the future, but thus far I only have the one living room.

 

I guess I'm saying this person in the scenario could be me. Despite what you might think, I can come across the money for a handheld and a console in one entire console generation before I could come up with a new life. I'm sorry I am too poor for you and also think my wife and children deserve to watch television sometimes.

 

The internet is a strange place.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Atarifever

[HammR25]

I wonder how many people would believe me if I started a rumor that Sony was going to release system update 4.40 on January 1st, 2014 which bricks all PS3s and will force people to buy a PS4.

[cimerians]

The scary thing about the next consoles is downloaded games from Xbox Live and PSN are unplayable on the next system. I'd love to fire up Plants vs. Zombies or Trials HD now and then on the new console or have a game of Uno with my kid without having two consoles hooked up.

 

So far according to Sony you can't do it on the PS4. I'm hoping Microsoft's console will be different and a possibility.

 

I spammed Major Nelson with this request.

 

Sad thing is its not possible on a Windows8 phone (which I own) but that makes sense since its totally different architecture than a console with controls.

[Reaperman]

I wonder how many people would believe me if I started a rumor that Sony was going to release system update 4.40 on January 1st, 2014 which bricks all PS3s and will force people to buy a PS4.

If you pushed it back 5 years I'd start to believe it. Remember that weird calendar date thing that left the system useless for a day? IIRC it had to do with the extra leap day and their drm--granted we're not due for another one of those any time soon but I don't think they'll fix anything similar if it pops up after the next year or so. Also those online-only games. I'd imagine the clock has already started ticking on PS3's PSN support.

 

There is also a leap in logic relating to breaking my stuff and then trying to sell me more of it that my brain has trouble with.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Reaperman

[Tr3vor]

If you pushed it back 5 years I'd start to believe it. Remember that weird calendar date thing that left the system useless for a day? I don't think they'll fix anything similar if it pops up after the next year or so.

 

There is also a leap in logic relating to breaking my stuff and then trying to sell me more of it that my brain has trouble with.

 

I doubt they would do that. If they did, it would leave a very bad taste in people's mouths, and I doubt they would go on to buy the PS4. They would probably rather go to the next xbox or maybe PC.

[Tr3vor]

 

Then online play, hackers are more prevalent on PC then they are on consoles, you run into just as many immature people on PCs as you do on console.

 

 

Not in my experience. on PC you can still play COD4 without hacks. Its because of dedicated servers and Moderators on the game prevent those hackers getting on and ruining peoples' fun. I've seen far more hackers on consoles, because the hackers know they people can do nothing about it.

 

I have had my PC for about 8 months and I havn't upgraded a part, except a new hard drive, 320gb wasn't nearly enough. I had that thing forever and just threw it in my build to save money.

[Tickled_Pink]

 

 

Not in my experience. on PC you can still play COD4 without hacks. Its because of dedicated servers and Moderators on the game prevent those hackers getting on and ruining peoples' fun. I've seen far more hackers on consoles, because the hackers know they people can do nothing about it.

 

I have had my PC for about 8 months and I havn't upgraded a part, except a new hard drive, 320gb wasn't nearly enough. I had that thing forever and just threw it in my build to save money.

Well, actually that's the thing. I've been thinking of selling PCs again but through eBay so have been checking out the competition.

 

The most common cheapo games system now seems to be Trinity based machines with maybe an additional GPU and 16gb. However, even that's an overkill.

 

My main machine is an AMD Athlon three-core. Benchmark-wise it's a little faster than an A6. It has an old 6600 video card and just ... get this ... 2gb of DDR2! It currently plays everything I throw at it without a hitch.

 

So why would I want to blow £300 on a console when that money could go on a cheap gaming PC to hook up to the TV?

[moycon]

I'm sorry I am too poor for you and also think my wife and children deserve to watch television sometimes.

 

You're sorry because you'd spend $800+ on a PS4 and Vita for yourself instead of spending half that and giving your wife and kids what they've always, always, always wanted?

Yeah man you're right. The internet is a strange place!!

Face it it, it's a lame scenario you pulled out of your arse. I agree with S1500, that feature won't be used by hardly anyone, and will get little support and yes I'm including you! LOL

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure someone will use it, but I doubt wives and kids have been miserable for the last few decades because it didn't exist!!