danwinslow Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Hi Folks. I've been working on converting IP65, a commodore/apple II ethernet implementation over to the Atari. So far its been going very well. IP65 is in assembler, and once I got over the learning curve it's been proceeding rapidly. Attached to this message is a Real Dos ATR that has a test executable for pinging. If you could try running it on your dragoncart and letting me know of any problems I would appreciate it. Program name : ping.com Arguments : its called with the ip or dns name to ping and a iteration count. If you don't provide the iteration count it will default to 4. For example : ping.com www.atariage.com 10 would ping atariage.com 10 times. It expects your dragoncart to be at $D500, and your local network to be DHCP-enabled. It makes a DHCP call to get an ip, then it resolves the dns name or ip you've provided and starts sending pings. This is strictly just a test, the final version would be more flexible. IP65 has a pretty solid implementation, and it has support for telnet and various other TCP programs. Plus, it produces normal Atari exe's that will run under any DOS ( ie., you don't need contiki). You can find the original source and documentation at http://ip65.sourceforge.net/. I have not added the atari development branch back into that source tree yet. Thanks. IP65.atr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Interesting... I'll try this as soon as I can get the router near my A8. The source code for IP65 seems commendably concise (although I have no idea how it works). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwinslow Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 I've not much experience with assembler, but from what I can tell the IP65 stuff is structured well. It also produces a pretty small binary...I can see that a full driver could easily fit into a 16k bank. Then add a handler and we'd have a nice platform for writing general purpose user code against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Cool, thanks for the update I see that DHCP.COM detects the actual cart register address as I have one set to $D530. Will have to look at the IP65 source... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwinslow Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 Right, DHCP.COM is from the old stack, written in C. I have yet to add autodetect to the IP65 base. Compare the sizes of DHCP.COM and PING.COM, and you'll see why I switched to IP65. Although to be fair to the C, I was trying a very ambitious unix-style sockets layer and there's just no room for that kind of thing. I could write a stripped down C stack like IP65, but straight assembler would still be way more efficient and is really the only way to go here, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1k Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 works very good for me thank you, i love any new tool/soft for this dragoncart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Right, DHCP.COM is from the old stack, written in C. I have yet to add autodetect to the IP65 base. Compare the sizes of DHCP.COM and PING.COM, and you'll see why I switched to IP65. Although to be fair to the C, I was trying a very ambitious unix-style sockets layer and there's just no room for that kind of thing. I could write a stripped down C stack like IP65, but straight assembler would still be way more efficient and is really the only way to go here, Yep, I noticed the size difference, quite the improvement A peek at your Atari source files would be nice too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1k Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 any news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwinslow Posted March 19, 2013 Author Share Posted March 19, 2013 Nope. Working on telnet now...probably 2 weeks-ish or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppetmark Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) Works great! The only thing I noticed is that it seems to ping many times when you don't specify the amount of pings, but Dan has now fixed that. Also, I was able to ping every web address I tried as well as local IP addresses on my home network. Most pings come back as 0ms, and randomly there were some that were anywhere from 20ms to 78ms. Again the program was really fast! Very impressive. With these tests working, A 16K driver is very possible and that would still leave room left for programs. Edited March 19, 2013 by puppetmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Hello guys Maybe this is a stupid question, but... Why not put the RJ45 connector on one of the corners of the PCB and design the PCB in such a way, that the connector can be soldered in with the opening to the side or the top. That way, you don't need to design two versions of the PCB or reserve two locations for the connector. You'ld just need to drill some extra holes in the PCB. The holes you do not need will be covered by the connector. Sincerely Mathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1k Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 irc.atarichat.net:400 works superb when i typing, i see LOVE sybols before letters.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwinslow Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) Yeah, I am going to work on that this weekend...some servers tend to send odd control characters as the first character of a line, not sure why. Plus I need to handle a few chars like tab and a couple other screen control characters too. Plus add a local echo toggle and a couple of other things. Maybe an xmodem handler too, but that will probably take a couple weeks. Edited April 26, 2013 by danwinslow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1k Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 good luck ethernet software is something new for atari scene.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1k Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 whats new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1k Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 hmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwe Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 A very exciting project!It would be very nice to see the architecture ip65 running in Atari 8-bit Graphical User Interface program.I encourage the author of this post to complete the work that is not within everyone's reach.Is there an emulator that emulates a dragoncart to try ip65?Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1k Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwe Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwinslow Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 We asked Phaeron about it for Altirra, and he said it was unlikely, especially any time soon, due to the amount of work required which of course I understand. That said, still have a few of the carts for people who are willing to develop for it. Current state is that IP65 has been converted and the telnet and ping binaries are working fairly well. I haven't worked on it for a while now, due to life situations, but expect to pick up again in the late fall. I'd like to get an FTP working, as well as taking a stab at a system driver. Anyway, the stack works well and fits in about 10k or so, and could easily be run from an extended memory bank. Lots of things are possible - games and network mounting of drives, a simple web server, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwe Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Could you post some videos on youtube for those who haven't dragoncart. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanny Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I've tried ping.com, and it works fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creature XL Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Hi Folks. I've been working on converting IP65, a commodore/apple II ethernet implementation over to the Atari. So far its been going very well. IP65 is in assembler, and once I got over the learning curve it's been proceeding rapidly. Attached to this message is a Real Dos ATR that has a test executable for pinging. If you could try running it on your dragoncart and letting me know of any problems I would appreciate it. Program name : ping.com Arguments : its called with the ip or dns name to ping and a iteration count. If you don't provide the iteration count it will default to 4. For example : ping.com www.atariage.com 10 would ping atariage.com 10 times. It expects your dragoncart to be at $D500, and your local network to be DHCP-enabled. It makes a DHCP call to get an ip, then it resolves the dns name or ip you've provided and starts sending pings. This is strictly just a test, the final version would be more flexible. IP65 has a pretty solid implementation, and it has support for telnet and various other TCP programs. Plus, it produces normal Atari exe's that will run under any DOS ( ie., you don't need contiki). You can find the original source and documentation at http://ip65.sourceforge.net/. I have not added the atari development branch back into that source tree yet. Thanks. The ATR doesn't work with my microSIO2SD device It loads RealDOS but hangs after "loading the US Doubler CIOV routineens (sic!)" Any advice? I have no other means to load anything on my 800XL EDIT: Had a look at the latest ip65 on sourceforge. Big luck fo rme it is using CC65 suite However, ther eis no Atari specific make targets and so on. As I do not want to spend hours on trying to build it for the atari and do the same things you have already done. I want to ask if you can upload an "Atari version" of ip65. Further, I take it the aIP-stuff is history now? Edited October 4, 2013 by Creature XL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwinslow Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 No advice about Realdos. I can try to put up an ATR of some other dos maybe. Or maybe an xex. The latest IP65 for atari I think is in the other thread here on Atariage : http://atariage.com/forums/topic/211161-dragoncart-software/?hl=%20ip65&do=findComment&comment=2734492 This doesn't have atari make targets either, but rather an atari directory with a 'build' shell script in it. The source you looked at on sourceforge is the original IP65 apple/commodore stuff. I am not planning on uploading the IP65 atari changes anytime soon to sourceforge. Yes, the AIP stuff is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1k Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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