xg4bx Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 ''“With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies." ''Microsoft also spelled out its policies on game lending, trade-ins and rentals. "In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends." http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/06/microsoft-details-xbox-one-used-games-always-online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Sad to think that I may have already purchased my last new game console. ..Al 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I've already started buying PC games instead of console games. Might as well start now if I'm going to make the switch back to the PC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I've already started buying PC games instead of console games. Might as well start now if I'm going to make the switch back to the PC Same. I've purchased a ton of games through Steam in the past year, and I built a bad-ass gaming PC as well. ..Al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toptenmaterial Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 You cannot play games unless you check in online once every 24 hours. This is the fact of the matter. I'm all set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 You cannot play games unless you check in online once every 24 hours. This is the fact of the matter. I'm all set. All set for what? To be online at least once every 24 hours? ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emehr Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 What?! You can play your own DVDs and Blu-rays without an internet connection?! What about that dirty, seedy underbelly of the used DVD industry and their filthy second-hand discs? That's it. I won't buy one until they fix this oversight and make me buy my movies new. Bastards. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Fortunately I already have several devices that can play DVDs and Blu-Rays. And most of them can't even connect to the InTeRnEtS. Although frighteningly, most Blu-Ray players can. ..Al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaWarrior Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 That's it I'm selling my Xbox & Xbox 360 for more NES and SNES Games 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I'm just impressed with Microsoft's bullshit-fu regarding the rumors about their next console. Before the clarification: "All those rumors you're hearing about our console are highly inaccurate and incomplete. Wait until we reveal more information." The clarification: "Yeah, pretty much everything that was said about our console was actually true." 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Hopefully the Playstation 4 has much of the freedom we've traditionally enjoyed. If not, I'll just have to be happy with a Wii U, continued releases on the PS3 & 360, and games on the two dedicated gaming handhelds. If I resort to just renting licenses, it may as well be on a PC with Steam. Makes me glad I'm a classic gaming fan. It's sad the direction we're heading towards but at least I'll never lack good games to play that are new to me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Hopefully the Playstation 4 has much of the freedom we've traditionally enjoyed. Not holding my breath. ..Al 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Fortunately I already have several devices that can play DVDs and Blu-Rays. And most of them can't even connect to the InTeRnEtS. Although frighteningly, most Blu-Ray players can. ..Al I have several devices but most are internet enabled. It makes updating easier to support new Blu-Rays. Other than that I'd rather have things like Netflix, Vudu, Hulu, etc... on my TV rather than on my Blu-Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaWarrior Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 That's it the Wii U won 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagitekAngel Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I've said it before; all Microsoft and their ilk had to do was wait until physical media go extinct; then they could do whatever they wanted and nobody would care. But nope, they had to get greedy, didn't they? Their loss, not mine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) It's clear that an all digital console future requires weening us off of physical media. So it was never just going to be a flip of a switch. I just didn't expect such a drastic step. I knew digital distribution was going to be equal in importance to retail this generation but I didn't envision restrictions on retail games, despite all the publisher hate directed towards the used game industry, being so severe so suddenly. Edited June 7, 2013 by Atariboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emehr Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Xbox Done 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starscream Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It's clear that an all digital console future requires weening us off of physical media. So it was never just going to be a flip of a switch. I just didn't expect such a drastic step. I knew digital distribution was going to be equal in importance to retail this generation but I didn't envision restrictions on retail games, despite all the publisher hate directed towards the used game industry, being so severe so suddenly. Pretty much. This seems to be a steep quick step. Although, if I read it correctly, it appears you can trade in digitally purchased games, which, I'm not aware of that being done before. It's possible that may be a perk of some sort. I am scratching my head as to exactly what MS themselves could gain from this. If at E3 Sony announces the same type of set up, I'd would think it's safe to think that the software companies made this push. If Sony does not have this model, it will be interesting to see exactly which system gets the big time exclusives. My bet would be the XBone in that case. It doesn't seem to work well for the consumer either way. If Madden 14 or whatever is ONLY on the Xbone for example, Sony would have a battle in front of them. Like it or not, Madden sells some systems. EA managed to strong arm MS on the original Xbox, I could see it happening again. Anyways, I'm still on board for one. I don't collect, I usually only buy games I really want when they are released new, don't trade in or sell games and all of my crap in the house is on the network at all times and almost all of it has constant online connections for various reasons. I do wonder about the point you brought up in one of the threads though about the games NOT being usable at the end of the Xbone lifespan. I can't fathom they will just be useless but as we are seeing, strange things happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) I do wonder about the point you brought up in one of the threads though about the games NOT being usable at the end of the Xbone lifespan. I can't fathom they will just be useless but as we are seeing, strange things happen. Do you mean the possibility of retail games being delisted or the day when Xbox One support on Xbox Live is dropped entirely? We already know due to the online requirement that the Xbox One and your collection of games will officially be unusable the day Xbox Live support concludes for the Xbox One down the road. But the delisting part is something not getting much attention. Downloadable games routinely become unavailable to sell. Licenses expire, publishers go out of business, etc. That's why you can't log onto Xbox Live right now and purchase Outrun Online Arcade. It's only available to redownload by those that bought it during its window of availability. So what happens if Sega were to relicense the Ferrari rights and were to release a retail Outrun game? That license will again someday expire and they can't manufacture and sell additional copies when that happens. So if the activation fee for a used game is viewed as a sale, you very well might not be able to pay the license fee to activate your new used copy of Outrun. So in practical terms, it would become a delisted retail game if it were to happen that only is available to existing owners and presumably still available if you located a sealed copy that was never tied to someone's Xbox Live account. Anyways, since this hasn't been covered officially, these are just concerns. Hopefully it will be impossible for the publisher to revoke the right to activate a used Xbox One disc on another console no matter the reason. But it doesn't strike me as out of the realm of possibility and they sure haven't clarified how such a situation would play out. Edited June 7, 2013 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 And there you have it folks. Glad I switched to Steam a few years back. I have no investment or need to get and Xbox One console. I have a television already, also I don't need further subscriptions to anything I can get for free elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaWarrior Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Sadly, People are going to get this regardless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christophero Sly Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) And here I thought it would be another 20 years, at least, before the world could brand me a Luddite. I guess the future is finally speeding past me. What an odd and unfamiliar sensation. Edited June 7, 2013 by Christophero Sly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) I think perhaps we are not looking at this from outside the box... Game publishers and retailers alike didn't see the impact of the used market would have on them... retailers greed ultimately crippled themselves. For MS to get as many exclusive publishers/developers they can they need to do something they want.... MS are gaining nothing from this directly... this is for the benefit of the software companies... so I believe this could be the only way they could guarantee support from software developers and publishers etc. If Sony announce the same thing then that kinda makes sense (i.e. Sony had to make a similar deal else no more games for their system which quickly equals no more Playstation....Ouch!) As for the online every 24 hours... I don't see this as a major biggie as everything is online these days anyway... although I don't understand why its a requirement (or what will happen if its disconnected for over 24 hours?... like when you're moving house or going on vacation etc) Edited June 7, 2013 by Clock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Geez, Clock, you sure love to play the devil's advocate. There's a big, big difference between used games and piracy, yet publishers seem intent on lumping the two together. (To their detriment, I suspect. A lot of the money for new games comes from people selling the old ones.) They also don't seem too thrilled with game rentals, which the Xbox One also won't have. Personally, I like to be able to test out a game that interests me before I shell out the sixty dollars for it. It's been accepted practice for films for at least twenty-five years... why change that for games? (Greed, duh.) Here's my view on all this. I should be able to test drive a video game before I buy it. If a game console doesn't let me do this, I won't buy it. I should have some degree of ownership for the games that I purchase. If a game console doesn't give me this, I won't buy it. Seriously, if I don't own the game I've bought for sixty dollars, exactly what have I purchased? Did I just make a donation to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation without realizing it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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