GrizzLee Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 One of my biggest gripes is the fact that my son and I have our own accounts on 3 different XBOXs in the house and routinely play the same disc on one of the 3 boxes. This new policy seems to suggest that I will have to buy the game twice. Also, recently my wifi service has been iffy. I was down for 3 days. Yeah, I was bummed , that I couldn't play online, but I could still play my games.. except for the ones that required that I be online... Damn IT!! If I buy a game, I want to play regardless if I am online or not this is a policy I will not buy into EVER. SO f@#! U MS!!! As if it wasn't bad enough I had to burn through 4 counsoles before they quit suffering RROD and one then one of them scracthed the shit out of my game discs. If the games weren't crack, I would've bailed early on. AND Sony... To HELL with U too if they decide to go the same route. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iswitt Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 I really doubt you'll be able to play the Xbox One on Xbox Live for over 10 years. How long was the original Xbox playable on Live again? 8 years, I believe. And some people were pissed that the service was stopped. Anyway, what makes me mad about this whole conversation (aside from the obvious) is that people are saying things like, "Guess I'm switching to Sony." It's like Nintendo didn't release a console or something. Sure, they haven't marketed it very well, but if you're a gamer, chances are you know. I wish I would see more people claiming to switch to Nintendo. That would make my Wii U happier. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D. Head Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 8 years, I believe. And some people were pissed that the service was stopped. Anyway, what makes me mad about this whole conversation (aside from the obvious) is that people are saying things like, "Guess I'm switching to Sony." It's like Nintendo didn't release a console or something. Sure, they haven't marketed it very well, but if you're a gamer, chances are you know. I wish I would see more people claiming to switch to Nintendo. That would make my Wii U happier. Going into the generation, I would have expected that I would wind up buying Nintendo and Microsofts consoles at some point in the cycle. Sony was never in my thoughts. All I have really done is cross Microsoft off the list. The Wii U will probably be in my living room sometime after summer is over, but I will be picking up Super Luigi U retail as soon as it hits regardless. Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 will probably be what pushes me to purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 This all makes me sad because I loved my XBox 360 so much. It's not even the idea of going all digital. It's the DRM and the inability to rent games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necron99 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It's funny....In our generation, "retro gamers" main concern is the degradation of our games (ie: BitRot)...in the upcoming generation, this won't even matter. The real concern will be regarding all of the garbage dumps being filled with billions of useless DVD's and BlueRay discs. I hope everyone needs a bunch of drink coasters! Which brings up the question: why even have discs at all if it's going to be like this. Xbox one is going to be the first throw away console. people will will sink thousands of dollars into it and just junk it 5-7 years from now when it's replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax2069 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It surprises me they are not implementing an offline mode like STEAM. And you want to know something, steams offline mode only works for 30 days (I believe it was) before you have to re authenticate the game/s. So yeah not much different then Microsoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammR25 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Which brings up the question: why even have discs at all if it's going to be like this. Xbox one is going to be the first throw away console. people will will sink thousands of dollars into it and just junk it 5-7 years from now when it's replaced. Just like their smart phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 What I don't get is why they went for the dealbreaker news first. They just guaranteed those without always on Internet or who buy used or who care about privacy will not buy their new system. Why not tempt that segment with awesome games first? I've got plenty of time to let the DRM nightmare sink in before the games are shown now. The way they slowly crept in the bad news has left me feeling very untrusting and, well, creeped out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 And you want to know something, steams offline mode only works for 30 days (I believe it was) before you have to re authenticate the game/s. So yeah not much different then Microsoft. Nope its very different. Big difference in fact. Steam always had and always will require internet access but not at the 24 hour rate Microsoft is requiring. I've gone months offline with Steam before it required Internet to sync. Again, like I said, at the very least Microsoft can give you a month or more before checking. I'm sure it will be I still find it hard to beleive that they may block you from playing after 24 hours. But like they said. ALWAYS ON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Imagine if all the Atari 2600s had stopped working when Atari was sold at some point in the past. Sure the hardware is fine but you can't play it because some exec decided to unplug the servers. Hmmm... what if Microsoft intros another console and drops support for the one like they did with the original XBOX. No thanks. Hmmm... I'm wondering what PC I have steam installed on and what my username and password are. It's been a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Imagine if you can't play your single player games unless connected to the Internet. Imagine losing the ability to trade in or buy used games easily. Imagine a world where Men in Black can contact a video game console maker to verify whether you're at home or not. Imagine no more! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariTexas Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Whoa!! i'm freaked out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) I really doubt you'll be able to play the Xbox One on Xbox Live for over 10 years. How long was the original Xbox playable on Live again? The Xbox 360 is fast approaching 8 and is showing no signs of stopping soon. There are easily several years of brisk business ahead of the platform and then a reasonable period of several more years before server support ends. And of course the 360 itself is far more popular than the original Xbox, the service is much more popular on the 360, it's more integral to the experience, and the 360 will be better suited to evolve over the years rather than restrict what they can do with it on the Xbox One in order to maintain compatibility with the 360. So the 360 very well could have another decade of Xbox Live in it since there's millions to be made with subscriptions alone and millions of customers that will be playing on it for many years to come. The original Xbox launched in late 2001, Xbox Live service was launched a year later, and support ended in the spring of 2010 over a year after repair support concluded and several years after new releases had dried up and console production had ended. And it was at a point when only a handful of games really had any sort of activity with only one still seeing several thousand users regularly. But of course this shouldn't dissuade criticism of what they're doing just because we can likely count on quite a few years of Xbox Live support for the Xbox One. The end will be coming one of these days and your consoles and disc will be just as dead then as if the console went offline only 5 years after launch or 8. Edited June 7, 2013 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennybingo Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 ...what makes me mad about this whole conversation (aside from the obvious) is that people are saying things like, "Guess I'm switching to Sony." It's like Nintendo didn't release a console or something. Sure, they haven't marketed it very well, but if you're a gamer, chances are you know. I wish I would see more people claiming to switch to Nintendo. That would make my Wii U happier. I have been know to say otherwise! http://atariage.com/forums/topic/212606-mpaa-and-xbox-one-are-watching-you-mpaa-yessir/#entry2762028 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xg4bx Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 8 years, I believe. And some people were pissed that the service was stopped. Anyway, what makes me mad about this whole conversation (aside from the obvious) is that people are saying things like, "Guess I'm switching to Sony." It's like Nintendo didn't release a console or something. Sure, they haven't marketed it very well, but if you're a gamer, chances are you know. I wish I would see more people claiming to switch to Nintendo. That would make my Wii U happier. My future is Nintendo only going forward. Looking at how the ps3 ended up becoming a shadow of its former self as Sony kept snipping away features, I have little to no faith in the ps4. The U is nowhere near perfect but at least it doesn't kick me in the balls then demand that I pay for the privilege. I've said before that I thought that at the end of the day the U will end up being the least offensive option for gamers from a consumer rights perspective and it seems I'm proven right by the day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Gee... I don't like the XBOX ONE so I'm going to run out and buy a Wii U, a system that isn't as fast as my XBOX 360, just because it's a "next gen console". Sorry, but if I buy a Wii U it will be because they come out with some exclusives I really want and Mario has never been my thing. If all I want is a tablet controller I'll buy a Vita. More likely I'll switch back to PC gaming and dump consoles completely once my current 360 dies and maybe do some Android gaming. FWIW, I left PC gaming due to buggy software, how patches are dealt with, hardware incompatibilities, etc... and I've already run into two of those on one new game. <sigh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Which brings up the question: why even have discs at all if it's going to be like this. Because not everybody has fast enough internet to download games! Which is why the Xbox One makes you go online, and... wait, that makes no fucking sense! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 It's probably part of their strategy to shift us away from retail games entirely by defeating the very reasons we value physical media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml Dreadful if true. Good GOD man, is there anything these people won't stoop to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) With Sony's more conventional hardware design compared to the PS3 and its increased power compared to the Xbox One, at least we know that any multiplatform projects they show should be as good or better on the competition even if only the Xbox One version is shown off. Unless it goes even further and they're being paid to not only not show off the PS3 version of a title but also not to even acknowledge that it's in development. Edited June 8, 2013 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaWarrior Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Again, I'll bet people going to buy this...cuz it's a new system by Microshit... Sadly, We are going to see 100+ people in line waiting for this POS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 I meant to say PS4 in that post above. Old habits are hard to break. Hopefully they're not buying things like timed exclusives or even perhaps paying for a PS4 port to not be released in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 The U is nowhere near perfect but at least it doesn't kick me in the balls then demand that I pay for the privilege. QFTT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) All Xbox Live arcade games wont be playable by christmas on the Xbox One. Same with PSN\PS4. Not only that but you must subscribe again to play online with Xbox One and start the whole cycle over again. Xbox is now only for the privelaged. And the privileged are fewer in number, and I expect that trend to continue. If the publishers are the ones pushing for all of this DRM, what motivates them to publish anything for the Wii U, unless that console really, really starts to sell in crazy numbers? I don't see that happening soon. People are either don't understand what the Wii U really is or if they are into the hobby, there isn't a compelling reason for one if they already have a PS3/XBox 360. Had Nintendo come out of the gates really explaining what the Wii U is and had a few hot first party titles right out of the gate, thing might be going better in their favor in a realistic sense. Edited June 8, 2013 by cybercylon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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