MS Clarifies Xbox One Features

[bennybingo]

 

 

...fixed that for you!

[mbd30]

I've already started buying PC games instead of console games. Might as well start now if I'm going to make the switch back to the PC

 

Isn't that kind of restrictive DRM requiring a constant internet connection also common with PC games? But at least it isn't every game.

[Mord]

Although, if I read it correctly, it appears you can trade in digitally purchased games, which, I'm not aware of that being done before. It's possible that may be a perk of some sort.

 

You're not reading it right. What was said (to make it sound like some new innovation) is that the One will "enable" you to trade in your purchases.. IF the publisher of the game allows you to.

 

I'll remind you that it's the publishers that have been foaming at the mouth about used games for the second half of this generation. You can bet very few if any will be opting in to this. So don't buy a game expecting to resell it just because Microsoft claims it will be a potential possibility.

[Starscream]

You're not reading it right. What was said (to make it sound like some new innovation) is that the One will "enable" you to trade in your purchases.. IF the publisher of the game allows you to.

 

I'll remind you that it's the publishers that have been foaming at the mouth about used games for the second half of this generation. You can bet very few if any will be opting in to this. So don't buy a game expecting to resell it just because Microsoft claims it will be a potential possibility.

 

I thought I had read in an article that the possibility was there to sell a digitally purchased game. I cannot back this up or find it so I'll take back my statement.

 

It's pretty simple if you ask me. DRM is there provided by MS, what the publishers decide to do with their material is 100% up to them. I'm probably alone in thinking this is pretty fair.

[Mord]

Well if the press is right the X1 is already pre-selling like hotcakes here in the UK. I don't see these measures affecting sales at all, especially in the US, where I'm sure most of the country has a good Internet connection, unlike the UK.

 

Press can be bought tho all the same, particularly on video gaming sites, so I won't put a lot of stock on that until we see hard numbers come up after release.

 

Remember that Sony also declared the PS3 was selling faster than they could make them back when it launched.

 

Despite stores being crammed full of unsold units. They probably were all selling - to the stores where they stayed.

[Necron99]

Isn't that kind of restrictive DRM requiring a constant internet connection also common with PC games? But at least it isn't every game.

even though Steam still uses a form of DRM, everything is tied to an account which will always be there unless Steam shuts down. you can upgrade or downgrade your pc,log into other computers and install as many times as you want. servers for each game will come and go because steam doesn't monitor that.

 

XboxOne is restrictive hardware that will guarantee less than 10 years support (probably 5-7) followed by you throwing your "Water Cooler" in the dump since all rental time of the hardware and software is up.

[Gaztee]

 

 

Press can be bought tho all the same, particularly on video gaming sites, so I won't put a lot of stock on that until we see hard numbers come up after release.

 

Remember that Sony also declared the PS3 was selling faster than they could make them back when it launched.

 

Despite stores being crammed full of unsold units. They probably were all selling - to the stores where they stayed.

The quote came directly from Asda & was just mentioned by the press. Would be interesting to see how the preorders are going at somewhere like shopto. They had pre orders for the ps4 up pretty soon after the 20th feb announcement. I will be surprised if the X1 isn't the biggest seller in the USA as its geared (from the launch) at the American market. There'll definitely be some brand loyalty as there always is. For me though the next gen should be upto Sony. Think they've learnt lessons from the ps3 & actually appear to have listened to gamers! It's there's to throw away ATM!

[kaz321123]

If they released Final Fantasy 7 remake for Xbox one, I'll be the first in line. To bad that I wouldn't even really 'own' the game tho-but I would love to play ff7 on the newest game consoles.

 

This dream of mine will NEVER happen-and I don't understand why they don't do it.

 

I don't want to play Final Fantasy 19, I want ff7!

 

It would be nice if they had authentic classic compilations on Xbox One, such as totally realistic immersive video arcades you could 'virtually' walk into and play loads of games, but then again this won't happen either-it is just too cool for them to do.

 

And I don't mean the quality like you see on the wii or something, but a virtual arcade room that actually LOOKED realistic. If they released something like that-I'd buy it.

 

In other words-I won't be buying an xbox one for about 8 years I'm thinking.

[Necron99]

In other words-I won't be buying an xbox one for about 8 years I'm thinking.

once the xbox isn't supported, it's a chunk of useless plastic. So in 8 years, you could possibly drop a whole bunch of money and get a month of gaming. you can't play this thing once Microsoft shuts server checks down.

[boog]

I'll be really surprised if the xbone/PS4 are still available in 8 years. They're both mid-range PCs by today's standards... xbone with slower memory than the PS4. How will they measure up to 2016 gaming PCs for multi-platform releases? Takes very little R&D cost to design a follow-up 'consolized PC'. With the mass market always willing to buy incremental iOS hardware, console life cycles may now be similar... with forced obsolescence by disabling the validation servers after the next console gen launches.

 

EA has been disabling online play for three year old games on current gen consoles. Now they'll be able to disable older games completely... shortly after they've released this year's sequel.

[Jess Ragan]

EA has been disabling online play for three year old games on current gen consoles. Now they'll be able to disable older games completely... shortly after they've released this year's sequel.

 

Oh fuck. This is a really good point, and I wouldn't be terribly shocked if Electronic Arts pulls this stunt to force fans to keep coming back for another hit.

[JamesD]

Oh fuck. This is a really good point, and I wouldn't be terribly shocked if Electronic Arts pulls this stunt to force fans to keep coming back for another hit.

Or to loose support of gamers forever after the first time they do it.

[godslabrat]

I posted this elsewhere, thought I would share:

 

To anyone who insists we are "overreacting" or that this is "the wave of the future", I posit this question: Can you explain to me how any of the big problems (used game licensing, 24-hour checkin, mandatory kinect) are GOOD for the gamer? How do they DIRECTLY BENEFIT us? I don't want to hear about how the publishers like them, I don't want to hear about how it's "inevitable" or "progress", I definitely don't want to hear how it's "not a big deal". Just tell me, in simple terms WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME?? So far, no one can. Microsoft is asking me to give up the rights I've had as their consumer, and they can't tell me what I get in return.

[NE146]

Oh come on you get to DEAL WITH IT

[Atariboy]

What amazes me is that we're debating at a classic gaming community over the merit of these restrictions.

 

How anyone can be a member of this community yet defend these steps at the same time is beyond me.

[Starscream]

I posted this elsewhere, thought I would share:

 

To anyone who insists we are "overreacting" or that this is "the wave of the future", I posit this question: Can you explain to me how any of the big problems (used game licensing, 24-hour checkin, mandatory kinect) are GOOD for the gamer? How do they DIRECTLY BENEFIT us? I don't want to hear about how the publishers like them, I don't want to hear about how it's "inevitable" or "progress", I definitely don't want to hear how it's "not a big deal". Just tell me, in simple terms WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME?? So far, no one can. Microsoft is asking me to give up the rights I've had as their consumer, and they can't tell me what I get in return.

 

They probably aren't good for gamers and for what we do know, won't be beneficial, and there probably isn't much in it for you except for some games. It's probably not a system for you.

[moycon]

Why is anyone having to deal with anything?

If you as a consumer don't like a product and or a company's policies, can't you, I dunno, maybe just not buy the product or support the company?

Seems like such a simple concept. For instance, I don't like chick flicks. I'll spare you the reasons why because I know no-one cares, but I don't buy them or watch them because I don't like them.

Easy peasy.

[bennybingo]

Why is anyone having to deal with anything?

If you as a consumer don't like a product and or a company's policies, can't you, I dunno, maybe just not buy the product or support the company?

Seems like such a simple concept. For instance, I don't like chick flicks. I'll spare you the reasons why because I know no-one cares, but I don't buy them or watch them because I don't like them.

Easy peasy.

I think that ^^ is what most folks here are saying...along with a ton of disappointment. I can say I am truly let down (but not entirely surprised) with M$ and what I have heard so far about the Xbone. I was really looking forward to a system that leapt forward, with new features that would enhance gaming...not how I watch cable tv.

 

Additionally, as a "soon to be" former customer of M$ (and I've been a customer of theirs for a very long time I might add), it is sad that I will likely not be buying their next gen console. I don't feel comfortable with the very likely direction things are heading, so I will likely opt out...that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it...nor does it mean that I should keep my opinion to myself. IMHO, if enough people are vocal about their disappointment, and don't give M$ their money, maybe they will listen. After all, money talks the loudest when in the company of corporations...I doubt it will make a difference, but at least I spoke my peace.

[moycon]

I think that ^^ is what most folks here are saying

 

Yep over and over.

Life is too short to waste time on things you don't like. Screw MS, enjoy one of the billion other video games in the world and be happy!

I agree, if the consumers don't support this, it won't fly, simple as that.

If the consumers do support it, it'll become the next standard.

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWcKtJj5_oY

[Atariboy]

Why is anyone having to deal with anything?

If you as a consumer don't like a product and or a company's policies, can't you, I dunno, maybe just not buy the product or support the company?

Seems like such a simple concept. For instance, I don't like chick flicks. I'll spare you the reasons why because I know no-one cares, but I don't buy them or watch them because I don't like them.

Easy peasy.

 

Because there are aspects of it that we like that we hate to miss out on (I'm sure quality games will remain plentiful). So the situations sucks when there are fundamental issues with it, particularly the retail DRM restrictions, that we find so unacceptable that many of us may not purchase the console.

 

It's not easy peasy, it just stinks. I've been primarily a Xbox gamer for two generations now where modern console gaming is concerned and suddenly they've taken such an unreasonable and draconian step with their DRM where I likely will never bother with the console even when prices start to go down and deals are plentiful years down the road. So there is a lot I'm going to miss out on now. So naturally I'm going to complain and express some disappointment at a videogame message board since without this DRM I'd be excited right now even despite the tv nonsense, the Kinect nonsense, etc. All of those are minor issues when I'm sure excellent games are coming for it, the hardware is capable of delivering those experiences, and the controller appears excellent and up to the task.

 

And even if I was just a modern console gamer in general and had no plans to buy the Xbox One, the precedent they're setting is certainly worth loudly complaining about since it's likely going to affect even the diehard Nintendo and Sony fans in the years to come.

 

If these steps are accepted and Microsoft and their publishers find or even just think they've found the financial bonanza they thought were awaiting them with heavy disc restrictions, the rest of the industry is certainly going to follow down that path. So best to do our complaining now.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Atariboy

[Algus]

I hope the Xbone fails because its DRM scheme terrifies me but I don't have the time or the money to play all the games in the world that are of interest to me. I just blew my quarterly bonus at Gamestop and now I've got like 8 games that I need to play through. That's going to take me forever with a full time job. I understand and am not trying to dismiss your point Atariboy but for me, I am happy to sit the Xbone out and play other games and systems that I find just as enjoyable.

 

I was an Xbox fan the last two console cycles as well though. They've had some fine games over the last ten years. Oh well.

[MCHufnagel]

Yep over and over.

Life is too short to waste time on things you don't like. Screw MS, enjoy one of the billion other video games in the world and be happy!

I agree, if the consumers don't support this, it won't fly, simple as that.

If the consumers do support it, it'll become the next standard.

 

It doesn't matter if a person is a gamer or not. It doesn't matter if a person is going to buy a Xbox One or not. It doesn't matter if you buy used games or not. Everyone should be voicing their displeasure on the massive loss of consumer rights this drm scheme enables. Everyone should be angry over the always on Kinect, and the possible misuse (and it will be misused in some way, believe it) of the information that it gathers.

 

If people don't raise these concerns now, then it will be too late and we, as consumers, will be even more screwed than we are now. Keeping quiet and not worrying about it now because you can live with this, will end up biting you on the ass down the road when even worse schemes are introduced.

[cimerians]

Seems to me Microsoft and other publishers (EA) are targeting males who love sports, watch movies and play FPS games who have cash to burn and don't care about it because its all entertainment. A frat boy comes to mind.

 

Oh they love pizza too.

 

Nothing wrong with that, if that's what they want to do but they need to know that the many men and boys who play FPS games that I know of don't play anything else.

 

I'm not saying everyone is like that but I know a handful of people guys that won't play anything other than sports\FPS.

[Master Phruby]

So I guess we know the reason why EA will not be making games for the Wii U. Nintendo will not go with the new DRM policy. My bet is PS4 will have the same restrictions as the XBoxOne. Of course, why stop there? Steam will have to abide to this new policy too if they want something to sell. I think Nintendo is happy enough with their own inhouse IPs to not really care what the outside world does. They will just wait it out until after the second video game crash of 2015 and start over like they did with the NES.