+wongojack Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 ok, we go to round 2! now it's getting serious Would you be willing to post the 50 or so games that have made it through to round 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 we are entering the round 3! I think we can consider the 20 titles entering round 3 as a good reference for any new retrofan starting to collect intv system: the 20 titles are Utopia Shark Shark Tower of Doom Dreadnaught Factor ? Dracula ? Beamrider ? Beauty & Beast Diner Burgertime Bunp'n Jump Atlantis Astrosmash World Championship Baseball World Series Baseball Lock'n'chase Locomotion Thunder Castle Tron Deadly Disc Major League Baseball Chip Shot Golf AD&D Treasure of Tarmin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 we are entering the round 3! I think we can consider the 20 titles entering round 3 as a good reference for any new retrofan starting to collect intv system: the 20 titles are Utopia Shark Shark Tower of Doom Dreadnaught Factor ? Dracula ? Beamrider ? Beauty & Beast Diner Burgertime Bunp'n Jump Atlantis Astrosmash World Championship Baseball World Series Baseball Lock'n'chase Locomotion Thunder Castle Tron Deadly Disc Major League Baseball Chip Shot Golf AD&D Treasure of Tarmin I disagree. Seriously, three Baseball games, Chip Shot Golf, and no Night Stalker? Blah. -dZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 I disagree. Seriously, three Baseball games, Chip Shot Golf, and no Night Stalker? Blah. -dZ. DZ, Night Stalker is in fact the first eliminated with 11 votes! I propose to add it to the final list: does anyone disagree?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 My comment was in response to your post saying that the list was "a good reference for any new retrofan." I would never recommend anybody to buy three very similar Baseball games or even Chip Shot, over a myriad other more deserving and fun titles. But, hey, that's me. To me, that list means nothing. It's like what intvnut suggested: you may get a good indication for the most popular and favourite game (which is most likely among those 20), but you won't get any meaning or intelligence regarding second or third place. -dZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Personally, the only surprise on that list is Locomotion, and to dZ's point I'm surprised Nightstalker isn't there. That said, all 3 Baseballs were excellent games and Chip Shot is a lot of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 round 3 is getting started with the final vote for sport, arcade and shoot'em up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wongojack Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I proposed a solution to the "baseball problem" in another thread along with my suggestions for round 3 (which includes Night Stalker) Ultimately this tournament is still interesting, but I've been jealous of the Atari 2600 top 100 list for a long time. I really wish there was something definitive on the Intv boards, so I want this to be a success.. While I understand DZ's point, I don't think we are far away from finding a true #1 #2 #3 etc. Just drop the categories and seed the remaining 20 or 24 games into balanced pools and we'll be able to vote the games into a relatively good 1, 2, 3 positioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fushek Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 My comment was in response to your post saying that the list was "a good reference for any new retrofan." I would never recommend anybody to buy three very similar Baseball games or even Chip Shot, over a myriad other more deserving and fun titles. But, hey, that's me. To me, that list means nothing. It's like what intvnut suggested: you may get a good indication for the most popular and favourite game (which is most likely among those 20), but you won't get any meaning or intelligence regarding second or third place. -dZ. I think that you could make an argument for two similar baseball games ... WSMLB is completely it's own game (and groundbreaking at that). WC is a better game than MLB, however, if you have years to refine something, you can always improve on it. Personally, for the time that it came out and what it meant to the system, I believe that MLB was probably the defining game for the Intellivision. How many people bought the Intellivision over the Atari based on the baseball comparison? I think that the list of 20 is pretty darn good ... could you nit pick and replace a title or two, sure. Locomotion is in there due to lack of true competition (it will go down in flames against any of the remaining titles). Night Stalker should be there (I'd personally put it in before Dracula, Dreadnaught Factor or Beamrider based on the number of votes (14 to their 10 or less). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intvsteve Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 That's the rub with votes like these. Today, whether a game was released in 1978 or 1986 is almost irrelevant. Back then, it made a huge difference. How people vote in polls like these, as several have pointed out, is really unique per voter. Some will weight heavily based on nostalgia (e.g. wongojack's observations about what you played w/ your brother vs. what was 1-player). Others will consider the time at which the game was released. WCB vs. MLB is a perfect case study for this. Some might just look at a game rating site or click randomly. Who knows what each person will use to make that choice? For me, a head-to-head of WCB vs. MLB will be easy - I'd choose MLB. My reasons are a mixture of nostalgia and timeline. IMO MLB was *the* killer app for Intellivision, and a huge reason for its success. People were blown away by the quantum jump in realism compared to what else was in the market. I also have a huge soft spot for it, as we got it in the initial Christmas batch of games (full color, heavy cart FTW) and played the hell out of it. Totally emotion-based and not at all rational, that aspect of my choice. I didn't get WCB until way later. I really appreciated the features, but by then my tastes for gaming had changed to PC games so it wasn't nearly as important to me at the time. Ideally, we'd have the law of large numbers at play here, but we don't. IMO we'd need thousands of votes rather than less than ~100 for most of these polls. Sort of the 'wisdom of crowds' answer. As to WSMLB - I agree, it's in a category by itself. It is an entirely different game - a real simulation - perhaps the first. I see less of a problem with having that get through. I think that MLB and WCB will cannibalize each other in the voting and another worthy game should slide in (haha see what I did there?). Then again, both are good enough to possibly squeeze (oops, I did it again) out such a game. It's up to the voters to decide! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM_Intellivision Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Pretty happy with top 20 - very happy to see all 3 AD&D themed games in there. Would have liked to see Night Stalker, Sea Battle, Swords & Serpents and a couple more INTV games in there, but difficult to do when getting down to 20-games. Overall not a bad list but I'm sure everyone could easily pick 5 more great games to pit in a top 25. Just shows the depth of the library. And think how many sports titles aren't ecen in top 20 and they were mostly all very good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM_Intellivision Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Up above - very well said intvsteve! Agree with your post completely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) ok nighstalker increased votes and goes to round 3. We start now with the FINAL votation for sport! due to the big difference in votes between baseballs and other titles, it is quite useless to make a bih final poll: tha final will be classic Major league vs World Championship! they already fight in first poll (18-21 score), but let's see if the votes from all the people will change the result. Edited May 9, 2014 by vprette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 couple of news intellivisionnaires will cover the tournament with announcement and (possibly) interview to the programmers of winning titles! verdict is approaching and I will introduce homebrews in round 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Valter when you say "introduce homebrews", you mean start the separate homebrew tournament right? These are not going to be combined in any way are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 apples and oranges....APPLES AND ORANGES!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 Valter when you say "introduce homebrews", you mean start the separate homebrew tournament right? These are not going to be combined in any way are they? yes separated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntellivisionDude Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 To me, that list means nothing. It's like what intvnut suggested: you may get a good indication for the most popular and favourite game (which is most likely among those 20), but you won't get any meaning or intelligence regarding second or third place. -dZ. The polls are fun and i'm enjoying them. But i do wonder if some people are voting for the better made game, the more fun game or the underdog game that doesn't enough attention normally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Personally, I think these polls are a great idea. We are, after all, here to talk about our favourite classic gaming system and these polls have got folks to do exactly that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM_Intellivision Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Agreed:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 we just discovered that atlantis got a end... many interesting comments come out from the threads :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 2000+ votes collected so far.. not bad :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 the first verdict: best arcade conversion on Intellivision: Burgertime I will post all the verdicts seprately when done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 2000+ votes collected so far.. not bad :-) Actually, you have 25 individual polls on the first round, then 10 on the second, and 3 on the last, for a total of 38 individual polls. 2,000 votes spread throughout them comes to about 50 people participating. Not bad, though. - j. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM_Intellivision Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Not bad - seriously? I'd say an average of 50 votes per poll with lots of comments is pretty damn good! Good job vprette!! dZ run along now like a good little chap and make sure if Tower of Doom was released on cart LOL;-) For Ace Frehley & KISS Fans: "You know my name it is a number, it's on a piece of plastic film. I've been growing funny flowers outside of my little window cill... I'm a 2000 Man....2000 Man....2000 Man...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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