Barry Nelson Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Had nothing to do for a few hours and decided the 512k Utility cart was missing something, Editor/Assembler. So I hot glued an EA Grom to the bottom of the 512k cart board and soldered the jumper wires to make it work. Now I get the EA cart on the menu in addition to the utilities menu. It's not that difficult to do if anyone wants to add it to their cart. Pic of bottom of cart board is included. Comments regarding my soldering skills are NOT allowed. Seems there's room on that side of the board for a Grom socket. Gazoo So... What if a GROM socket is mounted, an Editor Assembler GROM is plugged in and the EPROM is changed out for an EEPROM like this one? http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/CAT28C513-D.PDF Then what do you have? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3084410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 So... What if a GROM socket is mounted, an Editor Assembler GROM is plugged in and the EPROM is changed out for an EEPROM like this one? http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/CAT28C513-D.PDF Then what do you have? You have 1/8 of what the cart has now. You're plugging in a 64k eprom in place of a 512k eprom. Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3084414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Nelson Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 You have 1/8 of what the cart has now. You're plugging in a 64k eprom in place of a 512k eprom. Gazoo My bad, ok, try this... http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/SiliconStorageTechnology/mXtxvxw.pdf 4 Mbit (512K x8) SuperFlash EEPROM SST28SF040A Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3084874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Actually, if you use one of the current release of the 512K boards (any board from the second batch I made--easily identified by references to a 1024K mod that is built into the board but not populated by default--and the fact that one of the jumpers is a 4-pin jumper), you have a board that works fine with Non-Volatile Static RAM chips, so putting the E/A GROM on the bottom like Gazoo did makes it into a killer 512K Supercart. . . Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3085007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Can you imagine the new XB2.7s cart with a built in 4 bank Supercart? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3085075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Those are different boards, unfortunately. The 512K cart is on the Red boards--and can use Non-Volatile Static RAMs in addition to EPROMs. The XB 2.7 cart is on the Blue ÜberGROM boards. . .also 512K on the ROM side, but they use PLCC chips, not DIPs. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3085082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Those are different boards, unfortunately. DAMMIT! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3085083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Nelson Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 PLCC? Well that 512kb NV EEPROM I linked to is available as a PLCC, as I think the pinout is the same or nearly the same as the EPROM. It would would be writable like an SRAM, but it would not require power. So yes, that is what I was thinking, something like... XB2.7s cart with a built in 4 bank Supercart? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3085906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Note, the 512K Red Boards use standard DIP chips (or NVRAM chips), the ÜberGROM boards use the PLCCs (and they are Flash chips, but the boards are not set up to reprogram them in circuit). The XB 2.7 Suite cartridges use 120K or GROM and all 512K of the ROM for the various programs included on it. There isn't space to do what you are thinking of, at least not as it is currently being done. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3085913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) My bad, ok, try this... http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/SiliconStorageTechnology/mXtxvxw.pdf 4 Mbit (512K x8) SuperFlash EEPROM SST28SF040A That's already what's being used. It's equivalent to the AM29F040B chips I've been using in the XB v2.7 suite carts. Gazoo Edited October 5, 2014 by Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3085990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Nelson Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 So can you re-flash/rewrite it with software in the TI then since it is an EEPROM? Is the WE line wired? I just looked up the part and it is also an EEPROM. I thought it was an EPROM and would have to be removed from the card and put in programmer to be re-flashed. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 WE is wired, however the signal is jumpered to be off by default at the Flash chip (this is done as a general protection, one could safely change the jumper to do what you're looking for here). This capability was foreseen as potentially desirable in the original design, which is why we included it. Note that you would have to write your own initiation routine for an erase/write cycle, based on the required parameters for the 49F040 or 29F040 chips currently used. Getting the timing right for that might be a little tricky, but it should be possible. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I haven't followed this topic in a while. Are those game compilation carts available for sale yet? Are they going to be sold? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 I haven't followed this topic in a while. Are those game compilation carts available for sale yet? Are they going to be sold? I'll be taking some programmed chips to the faire, and have cart labels to go with them. I'm betting there will be some 512k boards available there, too. So there should be everything there available to put together your own cart, except the shell. Maybe there will be some shells there, too. I was hoping someone would pick up the torch on the 512k cart stuff, as I'm quite busy with XB v2.7 Suite carts at the moment. Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I just got some labels in too--so I'll be able to start making them as complete carts as well. . . Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I'll be taking some programmed chips to the faire, and have cart labels to go with them. I'm betting there will be some 512k boards available there, too. So there should be everything there available to put together your own cart, except the shell. Maybe there will be some shells there, too. I was hoping someone would pick up the torch on the 512k cart stuff, as I'm quite busy with XB v2.7 Suite carts at the moment. Gazoo Bummer, I'm not going to be there (always happens around my anniversary). Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Bummer, I'm not going to be there (always happens around my anniversary). Got anybody that can pick stuff up for you? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Bummer, I'm not going to be there (always happens around my anniversary). Wow. Talk about poor timing on the wedding! 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Got anybody that can pick stuff up for you? Not since Matthew left for CA. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3086961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Not since Matthew left for CA. I'm selling cart pc boards on arcadeshopper dot com and I can be convinced to burn roms for them for 10$ ea within reason, i dont have a lot of stock of 040s right now.. Greg Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3096096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I have about 30 fully-assembled Red 512K boards that I'll be taking with me to the Chicago Faire, along with 15-20 Black 128Kx4 boards and 30 Blue ÜberGROM boards. The boards will just need programmed chips and cases to become fully-functional cartridges. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3096112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 I have about 30 fully-assembled Red 512K boards that I'll be taking with me to the Chicago Faire, along with 15-20 Black 128Kx4 boards and 30 Blue ÜberGROM boards. The boards will just need programmed chips and cases to become fully-functional cartridges. I'll be bringing some programmed chips with me, but not enough to fill all those boards! Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3096194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Seems like everyone has a piece of the puzzle. I just want to buy those two game carts (or four if they can't be combined, not sure if that switch job was custom). I don't have the ability to burn my own chips or solder anything like this. So between the four game carts, which games are still missing? I'm talking about EA games. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3096525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwantgames:) Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I just want to buy those two game carts (or four if they can't be combined, not sure if that switch job was custom). I don't have the ability to burn my own chips or solder anything like this. I can't solder either lol, but I bought 4 fully assembled 512k cart boards from ksarul and then just got some chips programmed with the gamecart images and popped em in the sockets and stole a couple cases from other carts and now I got the 4 gamecarts, all I need is labels. the switch is a custom thing Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3096573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 the switch is a custom thing Dang it. I was afraid of that. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/10/#findComment-3096583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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