+Ksarul Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 We'd still have to load his code into it to set up the GROM mode--and I'm not sure what a force-load would do to that part of things. Tursi would be able to give us an answer here. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2977461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 We'd still have to load his code into it to set up the GROM mode--and I'm not sure what a force-load would do to that part of things. Tursi would be able to give us an answer here. Yes, that's what I envisioned. The Grom Emulation code apparently works. And so does the Grom code I created. So the loader code isn't really necessary, just burn the chip with the Grom Emulation code and the Grom code in the correct places. Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2977465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+acadiel Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I can probably fix the problem with having to power down to get back to the menu. Got a copy of the .bin file? Gazoo Sure, I can send you the one I have. What are you thinking about to fix it? The MultiCart exe has to switch the bank to where the program shows up on the menu selection screen, and that bank won't default back to bank 0 until the system is shut down. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2977558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I think he's trying to mod it so that on program exit it goes back to the menu so that you don't need a full system reset, Acadiel. I like that idea, as it increases the functionality of the cart. I'll have to mull over his SPST idea that pulls the chip into a predefined state too. We'd have to set it up so it does a write to >6000 when the switch is pushed into a momentary on state to do it. I'll have to look at available board real estate and see what can be done. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2977628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) Minor change. I forgot to beep on 'N' & 'O'. Gazoo [deleted attachment=338890:512kROM.zip] Edited April 27, 2014 by Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2977687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+acadiel Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Here are the multicart binaries (both the diagnostic bank test and the MultiCart image). I'm trying to burn the EPROM forward and backwards you sent, Gazoo. Also, can't get either the forward or backwards one to show a menu item. Either my cart board socket is frizzing out again, or it's booting up in a non standard bank. Anyone care to put together a 8K bank test program that reports which one of the 64 banks the sucker booted into? Maybe adapt Tursi's one below... :-) (I guess I can... but trying to keep tabs on the wife today, since she had to go to the ER last night. So it'll be a while.) Tursi Multicart.zip banktest.zip Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2977819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 Here are the multicart binaries (both the diagnostic bank test and the MultiCart image). I'm trying to burn the EPROM forward and backwards you sent, Gazoo. Also, can't get either the forward or backwards one to show a menu item. Either my cart board socket is frizzing out again, or it's booting up in a non standard bank. <snip> I added menu headers to each empty bank that will throw you back into the first bank. This may help a little with a cart that powers up in the wrong bank. Also fixed a screen glitch when the menu is presented, changed the key unit to 5 before starting a program on the menu, and changed the background color of Disk Fixer to dark blue. I assume that you are using the right file for the right banking chip, BackwardsROM.bin=379 and ROM.bin=378. New files are attached. 512KROM.zip Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2978353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Thanks, Gazoo! I really need to set up an EPROM burner. . .especially since I have one that I can connect to my PC. That way I'll actually be able to do some testing of the ROM images too. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2978404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 The non-inverted version works fine in the Ubergrom cart! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2980205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 The non-inverted version works fine in the Ubergrom cart! Thanks! Good to know. Next up is a game cart. Already laid out. Now that a working menu source code is in place, it's just fill-in-the-blanks. Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2980217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+acadiel Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 The non-inverted version works fine in the Ubergrom cart! Thanks for doing that... I tried once, but was too busy with wife being sick, kid's birthday, etc. it's getting harder to find hobby time! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2980239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Many thanks for doing the image building work, Gazoo! Note that the non-inverted image should work fine with both the ÜberGROM and the 512K cartridge. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2980804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Jim, I have some 27C040 EPROMs coming from Ebay and I'll give the 512K card a run through when thery get here. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2980837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+acadiel Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Many thanks for doing the image building work, Gazoo! Note that the non-inverted image should work fine with both the ÜberGROM and the 512K cartridge. Or in the case of a 74LS378 that I have in my possession, the inverted one works... both are TI ones, too. Glad the only two cases I have found are either last or first bank, and nothing so far has powered up inbetween. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2980927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Or in the case of a 74LS378 that I have in my possession, the inverted one works... both are TI ones, too. Glad the only two cases I have found are either last or first bank, and nothing so far has powered up in between. That's good to know. I'll be sure to leave the last bank open for a header on the cart I'm working on now. Don't you mean non-inverted one for the 378? Gazoo Edited May 1, 2014 by Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+acadiel Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 That's good to know. I'll be sure to leave the last bank open for a header on the cart I'm working on now. Don't you mean non-inverted one for the 378? Gazoo Yes, non inverted. But for all intents and purposes, if it's powering up in the last bank, we just need to adjust for that bank as well. A protection would to be to put the main program in the first and last banks like you mentioned. With 512K, hogging another 8K should not be an issue. That way, we don't have to distribute two rom images, one for the each powerup scenario. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Good idea there, Acadiel, the space is big enough that it is a minimal imposition. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 Yes, non inverted. But for all intents and purposes, if it's powering up in the last bank, we just need to adjust for that bank as well. A protection would to be to put the main program in the first and last banks like you mentioned. With 512K, hogging another 8K should not be an issue. That way, we don't have to distribute two rom images, one for the each powerup scenario. You don't have to lose the whole 8k in the last bank, just put a header that matches the first bank and have it select the first bank. First bank: >AA01,>0000,>0000,>600C,>0000,>0000,>0000,>601A,>044D,>454E,>5500,>0000,>0000,>D820,>07D0,>6000 The menu entry points to the code >D820,>07D0,>6000. That is code for 'write to >6000', which selects the first bank. The program to be executed should be placed in the first bank directly after the listed code, or be AORG'd at >6020. Any bank with this 32 byte header will switch to the first bank and continue execution there at >6020. This is just an example of an entry with a 4 byte entry name, 'MENU'. there's space for up to a 9 byte entry name here, but if you needed more you could push the 'write to >6000' code back as long as you did it in the last bank, too. I said I wasn't going to give away my secret to getting a >6000 cart to return to the first bank, but I just did. Gazoo 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I don't know if there are any game players here, so I'm posting the setup of a possible 512k cart with a few games on it. Is there anyone here that might be interested in such a cart? If not, I'll find something else to do. Gazoo Bank Number Eprom Addr Write to CPU Addr Start Addr Contents ----------- ---------- -------- -------- ---------- -------- 1 >0000 >6000 GAMES menu program 2 >2000 >6002 >A000 >A000 Paddleball 3 >4000 >6004 >A000 >A056 Centipede 4 >6000 >6006 >C000 >E02E Dig Dug 5 >8000 >6008 >E000 Dig Dug 6 >A000 >600A >A000 >A072 Defender 7 >C000 >600C >A000 >A086 Donkey Kong 8 >E000 >600E >C000 Donkey Kong 9 >10000 >6010 >C000 >C020 Jungle Hunt 10 >12000 >6012 >E000 Jungle Hunt 11 >14000 >6014 >C000 >C0FE Moon Patrol 12 >16000 >6016 >E000 Moon Patrol 13 >18000 >6018 >C000 >E0AE Ms Pacman 14 >1A000 >601A >E000 Ms Pacman 15 >1C000 >601C >A000 >A052 Pacman 16 >1E000 >601E >C000 Pacman 17 >20000 >6020 >A000 >A060 Pole Position 18 >22000 >6022 >C000 Pole Position 19 >24000 >6024 >C000 >DE3A Protector 20 >26000 >6026 >E000 Protector 21 >28000 >6028 >A000 >CBDA Shamus 22 >2A000 >602A >C000 Shamus 23 >2C000 >602C >A000 >A000 Parsec 24 >2E000 >602E >BFFA Parsec 25 >30000 >6030 >DFF4 Parsec 26 >32000 >6032 >268C Parsec (length >1180) 27 >34000 >6034 >A000 >B458 Ti Invaders 28 >36000 >6036 >BFFA Ti Invaders 29 >38000 >6038 >A000 >A50C 4A Flyer 30 >3A000 >603A >2FFC >315C A-Maze-Ing (length >0C00) 31 >3C000 >603C >A000 A-Maze-Ing (length >1800) 32 >3E000 >603E >A00E >A020 Ambulance 33 >40000 >6040 >2000 >2000 Demon Attack (length >1776) 34 >42000 >6042 >A000 Demon Attack 35 >44000 >6044 >BFFA Demon Attack 36 >46000 >6046 >DFF4 Demon Attack (length >1500) 37 >48000 >6048 >2FFC >315C Hangman (length >0C00) 38 >4A000 >604A >D000 Hangman (length >1800) 39 >4C000 >604C >A000 >A542 Hopper 40 >4E000 >604E >A000 >A000 Jawbreaker 41 >50000 >6050 >BFFA Jawbreaker 42 >52000 >6052 >A000 >AADE Midnight Mason 43 >54000 >6054 >BFFA Midnight Mason (length >0080) 44 >56000 >6056 >A000 >CA82 Moon Mine 45 >58000 >6058 >BFFA Moon Mine 46 >5A000 >605A >DFF4 Moon Mine 47 >5C000 >605C >A024 >A024 Rabbit Trail 48 >5E000 >605E >CFF8 >CFF8 River Rescue 49 >60000 >6060 >EFF2 River Rescue (length >1014) 50 >62000 >6062 >A000 >DA6E Tennis 51 >64000 >6064 >BFFA Tennis 52 >66000 >6066 >A000 >B9A0 TI Toad 53 >68000 >6068 >BFFA TI Toad 54 >6A000 >606A >A000 >A00C Tombstone City 55 >6C000 >606C >BFFC >C118 Buck Rogers 56 >6E000 >606E >DFF8 Buck Rogers 57 >70000 >6070 >2000 >20D6 Blackjack & Poker 58 >72000 >6072 >A000 Blackjack & Poker 59 >74000 >6074 >A000 >A000 Cave Creatures 60 >76000 >6076 >A000 >A000 Blasto 61 >78000 >6078 >BFFA Blasto (length >0200) 62 >7A000 >607A >A000 >BD4E Burgertime 63 >7C000 >607C >BFFA Burgertime 64 >7E000 >607E >A020 >A020 Worm Attack Edited May 1, 2014 by Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Games are pretty much the *only* reason I'd use a large 'multicart' on the TI... 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Games are pretty much the *only* reason I'd use a large 'multicart' on the TI... Yes, it's pretty obvious that this forum is laced with game players. The post was tongue-in-cheek. For me, the ideal Multicart is the one I posted in the 'Setting up a 632k cart' thread. That's just a menu made in heaven. I put this one together just to show it can be done, and for others to enjoy, but I have no real interest in actually playing the games on it. Gazoo Edited May 1, 2014 by Gazoo Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+acadiel Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Yes, it's pretty obvious that this forum is laced with game players. The post was tongue-in-cheek. For me, the ideal Multicart is the one I posted in the 'Setting up a 632k cart' thread. That's just a menu made in heaven. I put this one together just to show it can be done, and for others to enjoy, but I have no real interest in actually playing the games on it. Gazoo I see some GROM carts in there.... I'm assuming this is coupled with the ATMega? Or, I suppose we can use the "GPL simulator" for those non EA5 converted carts. (How did those Atari carts get converted to EA/5 anyway?) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazoo Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 I see some GROM carts in there.... I'm assuming this is coupled with the ATMega? Or, I suppose we can use the "GPL simulator" for those non EA5 converted carts. (How did those Atari carts get converted to EA/5 anyway?) They're all EA5, it's a Rom-only cart. The Atari carts have been in EA5 format for at least 25 years, I assume the same of the others. Before I put them on the cart image, I tested them in MESS from EA5. Finishing up the menu is my 'Saturday Morning' project. Gazoo 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+acadiel Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Really? Parsec too? Cool! Didn't know so many of them were made into EA/5 executables. I'm sure we can shoehorn the GROM only ones in there too with that "GPL simulator". Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Nice listing of programs, Gazoo! My boys will really like that one! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224528-setting-up-a-512k-cart/page/2/#findComment-2981474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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