Austin Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 According to NeoGaf, this is about 16 gigs. Makes it stink all the more somehow. Yeah, and chances are a lot of people without external HDs are going to have to delete a lot of content off their system to fit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 16GB is a lot, I have an external drive that I haven't had the need to use yet but I hate the idea of this game being tied to my console if I buy it. My fear is the same, if it doesn't sell well then they won't do this again....for this or any other 3rd party title that deserves to be released. I have a feeling Nintendo of Japan calls all the shots and Nintendo of America (and the UK) simply have no say in anything. It took them how long to figure out people wanted Earthbound? In this day an age you can be so much more closer to your fan base. Frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 Lucky Europeans... http://nintendoeverything.com/fatal-frame-maiden-of-black-water-limited-edition-revealed-demo-coming/ How much do you want to bet that NOA makes this a $60 digital exclusive, as anecdotal evidence and NOA's reputation suggests is likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I assume there is region locking on the Wii U? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) Even Australia is getting this. https://ebgames.com.au/wiiu-202893-Project-Zero---Maiden-of-the-Black-Water-Limited-Edition-Wii-U Although if that translates to what Nintendo of America would charge (It's $20 above what the normal Australian retail price of a AAA Wii U release is, which translates to $80 if they followed suit here), I really hope that NOA would skip the limited edition nonsense and just release a standard retail edition, if they surprise us in the end and announce a retail release. There's nothing in that special edition that excites me besides the fact that it's a retail release for this game. The rest is just a flimsy excuse to significantly increase the price. Edited August 6, 2015 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 And sadly, their idiocy is likely just going to convince them that they were right all along to ignore this franchise. That's not the gamers problem. Sure we won't get it, but we're not obligated to encourage things we don't want when money isn't going as far as it use to and there's a lot of other things to spend money on. Just means Nintendo doesn't get our money, someone else does. If Nintendo is OK with that, so be it. Would be a -little- more useful if anyone passes on this simply due to a digital-only release to send an email to Nintendo explaining why but I doubt it'd change their minds in the slightest given how often they ignore their fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Digital exclusivity confirmed for North America. "Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water, co-developed by Koei Tecmo Games, launches exclusively in the Nintendo eShop on Wii U on Oct. 22 for $49.99, just in time for Halloween. Players can download this free-to-start game and play the prologue, chapter 1 and most of chapter 2 for free. The full version of the game can be purchased as DLC directly from the Nintendo eShop or via the in-game menu." http://wiiudaily.com/2015/08/fatal-frame-eshop-only-relase-announcement/?utm_content=buffera96bf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Digital exclusivity confirmed for North America. "Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water, co-developed by Koei Tecmo Games, launches exclusively in the Nintendo eShop on Wii U on Oct. 22 for $49.99, just in time for Halloween. Players can download this free-to-start game and play the prologue, chapter 1 and most of chapter 2 for free. The full version of the game can be purchased as DLC directly from the Nintendo eShop or via the in-game menu." http://wiiudaily.com/2015/08/fatal-frame-eshop-only-relase-announcement/?utm_content=buffera96bf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer "Free to start"....they could have just said demo and the full version unlocks if you buy it. Its bullshit. Sucks. Been waiting for this game and what in blazes do they do? Release it digitally. It minimizes a lot of risk and extra money for packaging...lots of games that publishers\devs\kickstarters are unsure of will go the digital route first, but I'm not sure who decides this sort of thing at Nintendo: "Europe is fine give them a disk and the US is not just put it on the estore" ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariTexas Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Crapola is all I have to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) What makes it sting perhaps most of all, is that thanks to Nintendo's infinite wisdom, Devil's Third is getting a retail release in North America. While there's a segment of gamers looking forward to it, it seems as if nobody that has played it has been impressed. Seen some people at NeoGaf in fact that are going to be buying it just to see how bad it really is, just to satisfy their curiosity. Some are finding it difficult to comprehend how things could've gone so terribly wrong for a title that has long been in development and which was produced by the man that so successfully resurrected the Ninja Gaiden franchise after a long slumber. The Fatal Frame franchise on the other hand has always been well received. The series has consistently offered high production values, interesting gameplay, and a compelling storyline. And reports from Japan indicate that this latest entry, which they received nearly a year ago, is easily of comparable quality. Yet Nintendo of America not only is acting like this game doesn't even exist where marketing is concerned, it's also ensuring that many a dedicated fan is upset despite the localization and release. Sucks. Been waiting for this game and what in blazes do they do? Release it digitally. It minimizes a lot of risk and extra money for packaging...lots of games that publishers\devs\kickstarters are unsure of will go the digital route first, but I'm not sure who decides this sort of thing at Nintendo: "Europe is fine give them a disk and the US is not just put it on the estore" ??? Minimizing risk is Nintendo of America's trouble. Where as the Japanese home branch is willing to take chances and actually seems to embrace such decisions, this useless American arm of the company is the most risk averse company that I've ever seen. Even if this thing didn't have a chance of breaking even, this franchise has gotten so much attention and press from the dedicated Nintendo faithful through the years, that it's the type of project that deserves to be subsidized if that's what it takes. Getting people like ourselves angry, individuals that have long supported them and have bought an awful lot of Nintendo product through the years, isn't the recipe to returning to growth and profits. All it does is alienate people that have continued to support them through trying times. Yeah, and chances are a lot of people without external HDs are going to have to delete a lot of content off their system to fit it. Not to mention the poor suckers that bought the 8 gig model, where this won't even come close to fitting. If Nintendo of America had any sense, they'd see that this decision is idiotic even if only from a practical standpoint. Unless you're buying everything digitally and have an external HDD setup already, a 16 gig game is going to suck the vast majority of the 25 gigs of space that the customers that bought the "premium" Wii U have to offer. This small internal space is only viable for smaller scale downloads, nor is it reasonable to expect a customer that sticks with retail to buy an external HDD for a single 16 gig game that Nintendo of America is too cheap to release at retail with even a small scale print run. Edited August 25, 2015 by Atariboy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 This is supremely disappointing. The only thing I can think of is tweet to Nintendo of America and let them know your dismay. Can't say it will do much, but it's at least something. I have never played a Fatal Frame game before but would have considered picking this up. Not now if it's download-only. No thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The only Fatal Frame I've played from start to finish was the second one, on the Xbox. Rather enjoyed it. I have the first and third games as digital downloads on the PS3 from one flash sale or another but haven't had the time to really pursue them. Played the first one a little but haven't gotten very far at all. That being said, with my Wii U purchase in the future if at all, Nintendo does seem to be doing whatever it takes to minimize the chances of me picking it up. Fatal Frame U would have been one of the games I'd have picked up if it was done properly (physical disc). I don't buy digital games past a certain price point, and what Nintendo is asking is WAY past it. But it would have been an impulse buy as a physical disc - even without the Wii U bought. (I'm likely going to start buying a few games before getting the system, much like I did with the 360 and PS3 - there's aaaalmost enough games to make me consider prebuying stuff.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I hear you, Mord. At a time where the Wii U needs as many incentives as it can get for people to buy into it, it seems like Nintendo is doing everything they can to steer people away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 What makes it sting perhaps most of all, is that thanks to Nintendo's infinite wisdom, Devil's Third is getting a retail release in North America. While there's a segment of gamers looking forward to it, it seems as if nobody that has played it has been impressed. I used to be a fan of Tomonobu Itagaki but now I think he's pretty much full of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Speaking of Devil's Third, Game Spot gave it a 3 out of 10. Not that I'd fully trust anyone's reviews, regardless though it sounds like a clunky mess based on what I am reading. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Great will download in October! I download most games as the stores rarely stock much wii u stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) So if I were to buy a USB flash drive to expand my Wii U's storage when the day almost inevitably comes when I need the room after FF5 gobbles up 16 gigs of it (I'll only have ~1 gig free afterwards), I'm stuck in this situation? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1109660 Apparently the Wii U defaults to saving everything to external storage after something like a flash drive or external HDD is plugged in. So if I pop in a new retail disc after I expanded my Wii U's storage capacity, it's going to automatically save the game there for instance. Or if I download a new Virtual Console download, it will stick it here rather than prompt me to select where I want it saved. I'll have to manually move anything I don't want saved there to internal memory, which is what I plan to continue to primarily rely on since it's more reliable and secure. I'd of just used a USB flash drive for overflow essentially, for a few big files that I'd like to keep but don't mind too much if I were to lose them eventually (My Wind Waker HD freebie for preordering Mario Kart, for instance). Why not provide the option to designate your default storage location, or at least prompt you where you want the file saved when downloading a new game or creating a new save file? Edited September 10, 2015 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 So if I were to buy a USB flash drive to expand my Wii U's storage when the day almost inevitably comes when I need the room after FF5 gobbles up 16 gigs of it (I'll only have ~1 gig free afterwards), I'm stuck in this situation? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1109660 Yes pretty much unless you back up the stuff first or move it back to your system storage. Also a non powered flash drive won't work, it needs to be an external powered drive (with a power source). It's the main reason why I don't buy games from the eshop if I can help it. They also still tie the purchase to that console which makes things more difficult to replace\restore in the event of a disaster. It can be done, but for me its a huge hassle. They are just behind on things as they always seem to be. Frustrating especially if your a multi console owner and you fire up an Xbox One or PS4 and are happily backing up save files and flipping between things real fast. I'll be missing out on this I guess. If it were region free I would definitely be importing the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 Also a non powered flash drive won't work, it needs to be an external powered drive (with a power source). Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I've read that one will indeed work, although Nintendo recommends against it due to the limited longevity of flash memory. But I wouldn't be using it much at all, so I don't think that would pose a significant issue. And with how often I read about people's external HDD's dying, not sure that they're not even worse for longevity. Assuming one does work, I suppose I could just plug it in when I actually need to use it and otherwise keep it disconnected when not in use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wongojack Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Is Fatal Frame somehow related to bowling? I don't typically like Japanese games simply because they are Japanese (no bonus points), and I kinda had enough of survival horror in like 2002. I don't know if I've ever picked up a copy of a game from this series to even check it. If I saw it, I probably assumed that it was a weird Japanese bowling game or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amstari Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 From my own experiences I know a USB flash drive will work. However a USB powered hard drive won't work unless it takes power from two USB ports. I use an external hard drive with its own power supply now. I haven't had any problems so far. But like anything it could fail one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I use an external hard drive with its own power supply now. I haven't had any problems so far. But like anything it could fail one day. This is what you need to use. What I meant is you should be using a drive with a power source, if not then you need to use up two USB ports to supply power...usually some drives come with a Y cable included. Here's some: http://kotaku.com/the-best-external-hard-drives-for-your-wii-u-1616444509?hipra_discussion_redesign=off&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Assuming it would work, how much would a small SSD external drive cost? I think a mere 25 gigs would be plenty for my purposes with the Wii U (Although whether or not they make them that small, I don't know). And hopefully it has the longevity that flash media and traditional HDD's lack, although the jury is still out afaik since they're still in their infancy. I just wouldn't want to spend past $50 at the very most. Edited September 11, 2015 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Is Fatal Frame somehow related to bowling? I don't typically like Japanese games simply because they are Japanese (no bonus points), and I kinda had enough of survival horror in like 2002. I don't know if I've ever picked up a copy of a game from this series to even check it. If I saw it, I probably assumed that it was a weird Japanese bowling game or something. It's a game where you're typically fighting ghosts with a spiritual camera of sorts. Yes. Japanese. You probably won't be interested. If you have a PS3 and buy things from PSN occasionally, the first 3 games are available from it - although I'd wait for a flash sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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