Qwertycwer II Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 The SNES could do it (Star Fox,) and even the NES had a 3D game (Elite.) However, I haven't been able to find a 3D Genesis game or information on wether or not it could handle 3D. Does anyone here know? This isn't counting the add-ons (32X or CD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 The SNES could do it (Star Fox,) and even the NES had a 3D game (Elite.) However, I haven't been able to find a 3D Genesis game or information on wether or not it could handle 3D. Does anyone here know? Look harder. There are several other examples that don't use specialized chips either. Most are pretty choppy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 How were most of the "Simulator" games made? Games like Abrams Battle Tank, F22 Interceptor, LHX Attack Chopper, even Hard/Race Drivin'... these all use 'polygon' graphics... are they true polygons, or not, or what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglie007 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Theres a tech demo of star fox running on the genesis. And vectorman looked like some good 3d type modeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 The Sega Genesis was faster than the SNES processor wise. It can produce results similar to Star Fox WITHOUT additional chips. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 As far as I'm concerned any computer can handle 3D graphics. And if the VCS can do it certainly any later generation can too. Shit, man, even my Ti-59 can handle 3D. I know that's not what you're asking, in that way. But I thought I'd be an ass for a moment. Which makes me want to ask, did the Genesis or NES & SNES have any wireframe 3D games? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertycwer II Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 Soon after posting this, I found a 3D Gensis game So I guess that's settled 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Soon after posting this, I found a 3D Gensis game So I guess that's settled In this case though the game is possible only because of the addition of their The SVP chip, Sega's answer to Nintendo SuperFX chip. So it is not just SEGA's console hardware doing this on it's own. Still cool though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Dart Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) Yeah, check these out and tell me if you think the Genesis can handle 3d. No additional chips required (I'm looking at you, superfx chip). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qofonsN3Nwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sXgFmZ-tM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5HinyVHgM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQxU2CIVb3c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pt2CIjFRwU Which makes me want to ask, did the Genesis or NES & SNES have any wireframe 3D games? Don't know about full games, but Ranger X on the Genesis had wireframe animations between stages. I think Elite on NES was all wireframe (because it's Elite). Edited June 17, 2014 by Rex Dart 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homerhomer Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 How about Wolfenstein 3d? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homerhomer Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 How about Wolfenstein 3d? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 How about Wolfenstein 3d? Wolfenstein 3D, contrary to its name, is faux-3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Willy Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 It's fixed height raycasting. Some folks call it 2.5D instead of 3D. Anywho, here's how the Genesis would handle Wolf3D: http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?25663-wolfenstein-3d-demo-for-sega-genesis The latest version (b9t) is very nearly complete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) What IS 2.5D??? Wolfenstein 3D was was as 2D as Pac-Man. You Navigated Mazes moving in X and Y variables.... absolutely NO Z. You shouldn't even call Doom 2.5D since it only gave the illusion of traveling up and down by adding slopes, but there was still no "world" above or below any position on the the map, it was it was still only 2D; that is any position could be read using only X,Y coordinates... To reiterate my first question of "What IS 2.5D?" how can an illusion have a value of 0.5? That's like saying a Paper-Mache Steak is Halfway to being a real steak... it's not steak at all... it may look like steak but it's still just paper and paste... not even .0000001 steak. Edited June 24, 2014 by Torr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 What IS 2.5D??? Wolfenstein 3D was was as 2D as Pac-Man. You Navigated Mazes moving in X and Y variables.... absolutely NO Z. You shouldn't even call Doom 2.5D since it only gave the illusion of traveling up and down by adding slopes, but there was still no "world" above or below any position on the the map, it was it was still only 2D; that is any position could be read using only X,Y coordinates... To reiterate my first question of "What IS 2.5D?" how can an illusion have a value of 0.5? That's like saying a Paper-Mache Steak is Halfway to being a real steak... it's not steak at all... it may look like steak but it's still just paper and paste... not even .0000001 steak. 2.5D is often used in modern gaming terms to describe 2D-based games, made up with 3D polygons. It is also sometimes used to label retro games that, while perhaps not being legitimately "3D", still fool the player into believing it is (i.e., DOOM). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 unlike pac man its displayed in 3d, it has a width height and depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 unlike pac man its displayed in 3d, it has a width height and depth Fake width/height/depth. Technically, it's an optical illusion. A damn fine one though in the case of Wolfenstein 3D and DOOM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) well Technically polygons are an optical illusion, so how anal do you want to get? Having written more than one ray casting engine in my time you calculate width and depth every single frame, and height can be accomplished I am not 100% clear on why a series of steps to increase height to another platform is any different than a series of steps in polygons to increase height to another platform, is considered fake vs real its just different rendering techniques, wolf 3d is not any less 3d just becuase it runs on a single plane due to the hardware restrictions / real time rendering of the time Edited June 25, 2014 by Osgeld 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Can the Genesis handle Donkey Kong Country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) maybe not as pretty cause of its colors but DKC is just a sprite 2d game with pre rendered 3d sprites (which means insead of hand drawing them they were made in a 3d package then saved as 2d images) Edited June 25, 2014 by Osgeld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Dart Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Can the Genesis handle Donkey Kong Country? Yeah? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 well Technically polygons are an optical illusion, so how anal do you want to get? Pretty anal? God that sounded so wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Willy Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Technically speaking, games like Doom ARE "real" 3D. While the level data may be 2D with the 3rd dimension being derived from floor and ceiling values, that doesn't make it not 3D. The rendering is a special form of 3D called "lines of constant z" that makes rendering fast and easy. If you aren't familiar with that, get a good book on 3D graphics programming. Now there are better ways to go 3D that are more realistic, but "not as good or realistic 3D" is not the same thing as "not 3D". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland p Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 3d pacman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Virtua Racing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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