+nanochess Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I think I could allow CONT1, CONT2 and: CONT that would mix the CONT1/CONT2 inputs, with the exception of keypad (because it would add another decode routine) This should be enough for one-player games. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthompson Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 That's the screen border. You can control it in IntyBASIC with the BORDER statement or if using MODE 0 (Color Stack), by setting the colors after the mode. Depending on the style of the game, and the visual design, the border colour could be set the same as the play-field's background, making it invisible. In the case of Christmas Carol's title screen, the background colour varies depending on the screen area, so a single colour could not be used to hide the border. Therefore, I opted to make to not try to hide it, but use a colour that matched the rest of the art. -dZ. Then a blue border would be perfect for GoSub. No more text & counters appearing to be at the edge of the screen. JzIntv seems to display the border in a peculair way. The left border is cut off entirely, the right shows a little, and the top & bottom show more but not nearly as much as a cartridge played on a console. Does JzIntv do this because overscan is not an issue on a computer? I had been wondering, and now seems like a good opportunity to ask. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpmaul69 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Honestly i had never noticed the border until atari2600land just asked about it. It is completely non-intrusive and doesnt bother me at all. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpmaul69 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Now that i think of it i think some old games had this. Always a 3 sided border. Im playing jzintv on my pi on my tv and still a 3 sided border. I never noticed play so no biggie. I am using christmas carol as an example since it has a colored background. image.jpg Now that i think of it i think some old games had this. Always a 3 sided border. Im playing jzintv on my pi on my tv and still a 3 sided border. I never noticed playing so no biggie. I am using christmas carol as an example since it has a colored background. Edited December 16, 2014 by pimpmaul69 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) I got rid of the border. I also had a chance to play this in emulation (since I suck at it using a real INTV), and I got to the end with only 12 deaths on my fourth try. So yeah, I guess the death counter is a good addition. Edited May 30, 2015 by atari2600land 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthompson Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Looks great with the blue border! Hopefully I'm not being a pain, but is using just the lower buttons to fire a convention on other platforms? When I hold an Intv controller, my thumb naturally meets the upper button, so I expect to shoot with it. Again, Astrosmash and other games let you fire with any button / the one that's most convenient. I promise I won't ask again Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpmaul69 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Looks great with the blue border! Hopefully I'm not being a pain, but is using just the lower buttons to fire a convention on other platforms? When I hold an Intv controller, my thumb naturally meets the upper button, so I expect to shoot with it. Again, Astrosmash and other games let you fire with any button / the one that's most convenient. I promise I won't ask again i too agree with this as i now use an inty controller. I played this for a couple hours today and several times found myself hitting the wrong button. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
freewheel Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Button stuff is easy (like the p2 controller is). Just change CONT1.B0 (or B1, or B2) to CONT1.BUTTON - I haven't played GoSub in ages, but I think it only uses one button? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 OK, made it so all buttons work on the controller. They all do the same thing - fire, so it's just actually kind of like using one button only you get to pick which of the four buttons to use as your button. STILL 15.5k! Let me know if there are any bugs or anything. gosub2p.bin Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpmaul69 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) OK, made it so all buttons work on the controller. They all do the same thing - fire, so it's just actually kind of like using one button only you get to pick which of the four buttons to use as your button. STILL 15.5k! Let me know if there are any bugs or anything.thats what i like about you. Your willing to try to make your game the best experience possible for everyone. Me personally this is one of my faves and i enjoy it a lot. Definitely love how you kept it updated. Cant wait for your next great creation. Keep up the great work. Edited December 17, 2014 by pimpmaul69 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM_Intellivision Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 atari2600land, I also would like to quickly congratulate you on your 1st project & the willingness with which you took constructive criticism to make this the best game it could be. Also want to give props to everyone who helped with the constructive criticism - truly great all around. Take your time polishing it up and Happy Holidays to all! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Then a blue border would be perfect for GoSub. No more text & counters appearing to be at the edge of the screen. JzIntv seems to display the border in a peculair way. The left border is cut off entirely, the right shows a little, and the top & bottom show more but not nearly as much as a cartridge played on a console. Does JzIntv do this because overscan is not an issue on a computer? I had been wondering, and now seems like a good opportunity to ask. Intv Super Pro Football.pngChristmas Carol.png Way back when I first started writing jzIntv (back in the 1990s!), I targeted a 320x200 VGA display. The Intellivision has a 159x96 (or 159x192 if you consider the half-pixels of double-vertical-res MOBs) display. So, I pixel-doubled the Intellivision display, giving a 318x192 display, and padded it out with border colors to make a 320x200 display. This is fairly similar to what Carl's INTVPC emulator (available on Intellivision Lives!) did. The difference between 318 and 320 is the reason there's a stripe of border color on the right. Old school VGA-era and earlier displays had a concept of border color too. I had much fun playing with that back in my high school days. Modern displays do not. They fill the display (or window) with pixels, and no border. So, if you pick 320x200 or a closely related resolution, you won't get much left/right border color. That said, at some point I loosened up how jzIntv renders into the display buffer, so that it fills the display buffer with the border color, and then renders the Intellivision image in the center. This was inspired by some patches from John Tanner, who experienced some issues porting jzIntv to modern Macs. When rendering in a window, jzIntv still snaps to a size that preserves the peculiar "3 sides with border color" behavior. When running in full-screen mode, though, at some resolutions it should pad all borders with the border color. All that just said... I did just try it now, and it seems I'm not actually living up to that ideal. I seem to be padding with all black. Of course, I was experimenting on my dual-monitor Linux box, which really, really doesn't play well with full screen mode in jzIntv. I guess I can follow up later. Right now, I need to hit the hay. Edited December 17, 2014 by intvnut Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3134977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthompson Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Way back when I first started writing jzIntv (back in the 1990s!), I targeted a 320x200 VGA display. The Intellivision has a 159x96 (or 159x192 if you consider the half-pixels of double-vertical-res MOBs) display. So, I pixel-doubled the Intellivision display, giving a 318x192 display, and padded it out with border colors to make a 320x200 display. This is fairly similar to what Carl's INTVPC emulator (available on Intellivision Lives!) did. The difference between 318 and 320 is the reason there's a stripe of border color on the right. Old school VGA-era and earlier displays had a concept of border color too. I had much fun playing with that back in my high school days. Modern displays do not. They fill the display (or window) with pixels, and no border. So, if you pick 320x200 or a closely related resolution, you won't get much left/right border color. That said, at some point I loosened up how jzIntv renders into the display buffer, so that it fills the display buffer with the border color, and then renders the Intellivision image in the center. This was inspired by some patches from John Tanner, who experienced some issues porting jzIntv to modern Macs. When rendering in a window, jzIntv still snaps to a size that preserves the peculiar "3 sides with border color" behavior. When running in full-screen mode, though, at some resolutions it should pad all borders with the border color. I noticed that jzintv does its native screen captures at 300 x 200, which differs from the 4:3 NSTC standard and the way the Intellivision looks on a TV. When I do a screenshot on my Mac, it always saves a 4:3 image, like the 320 x 240 picture below right. Both still have the funky 3-sided border, though. Thanks for the explanations. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3135068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 Wow. I went back and deleted the ROMs on here per request. I am getting this ready to be published and out for sale. I don't know quite yet when. It won't be 2600 Connection, though, it will be someone else. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3247242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Cool. Looking forward to this one. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3247256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Wow. I went back and deleted the ROMs on here per request. I am getting this ready to be published and out for sale. I don't know quite yet when. It won't be 2600 Connection, though, it will be someone else. So you deleted the ROMs? The game that the community right here helped you design, build, test, and polish? Nice move. -dZ. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3247265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroovyBee Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I don't think that there is any need to delete the ROMs because you'll still sell quite a few copies. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3247269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Guys, don't take the deletion of the roms the wrong way. Which I asked him to do so. We all operate and do things differently. The final production and fine tuning will continue behind the scenes. A more 'in house' and focused development is needed for this already good game that Chris has made with the assistance from everyone. The final rom (roms) will be made available for free after the sales of CIB are done. Same goes for Copter Command. (i will probably release all 14 incarnations of copter rom) Thanks guys Attached is rough draft of the proposed manual. Gosub manual v3.pdf Edited May 30, 2015 by revolutionika 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3247282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Teams Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 That manual looks great, very nicely done! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3247289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Same goes for Copter Command. (i will probably release all 14 incarnations of copter rom) How about a boxed CIB set of all 14 versions? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3247305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 How about a boxed CIB set of all 14 versions? Ha. Why not a french canadian version as well. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3247308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Something new about this game? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3412432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Update soon. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-3453050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wongojack Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Was the rom for this ever made available? I think perhaps it was part of the "Game Vault?" Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229830-gosub-for-intv/page/18/#findComment-4776431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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