Cinepak, what's missing?

[+Saturn]

Hi, trying to create a cinepak disk and so far I've been shooting blanks (coaster factory over here)

Based on the steps below, can anyone enlighten me as to what is missing or what I'm doing wrong?

 

Open Quicktime
Click File-Open File
Navigate to file and double click it
In new, smaller Quicktime window, click File-Export
Rename if needed
Save as type: All files
Export: Movie to QuickTime Movie
Use: Default Settings

Click the Options button
Click Video Settings
Compression type: Cinepak
Frame Rate: 15 (can be adjusted to 24 & below)
Depth: Millions of colors
Quality: Medium (variable that may need to be adjusted)
Data Rate: Restrict to: 1500 kbps (variable that may need to be adjusted)
Click OK

Click Video Size
Use custom size
width: 320 (the Jaguar will clip off anything beyond this resolution)
height: 200 (the Jaguar will clip off anything beyond this resolution)
Click OK

Click Sound Settings
Format: Linear PCM
Channels: Stereo (or Mono)
Rate: 21.252 (this provides the best audio)
Quality: Normal (variable that may need to be adjusted)
Sample Size: 8 bits
the 2 checkboxes under that, I always leave unchecked, but try some things with it too
Click OK and you are ready to save

Open JagCinePak.exe from JagMOD's site
Down where it says 'Track Number" put 4 (actually found this step to be pointless for what we are using)
Drag your video.mov into the window
(Windows color scheme will be changed on later versions, 7, etc. Don't panic!)

(7 additional files will be created where the original was dragged from:
FilmToAIFF.log
MovieToFilm.log
SmoothToChunky.log
*name*.aif
*name*.crg
*name*.srg
*name*.t04)
Delete all but *name*.t04 (and the original video file, of course)


Rename *name*.t04 to TRACK04.RAW
Put TRACK04.RAW inside the CDEnc folder
Put a blank CD-R in the burner
Run "scanbus.bat"
Edit "burnunen.bat" w/ the device numbers and file name (in one place)
Quick save and run it
Test the unencrypted disk using a bypass method

 

This is where I stop, as the test fails.

 

These steps are based on

. I took screenshots of all the steps and used them to compile the (incomplete) steps above. It looks like RubixCube6's "CDenc" folder has additional files. To my knowledge, his site's been down for some time so I can't download the package as directed here.

Are these files available anywhere else?

Or, is there a 'Cinepak Player Module' that's possibly specific to this technique that I'm missing? (mentioned in this post)

 

Any help is appreciated

[TXG/MNX]

Your video datarate is very high 1500kbps the cd can handle max with audio 300 if youre lucky...

[+Saturn]

So, if I slow down the bitrate, that alone will produce a viewable video? So far all I've gotten is the dark blue image onscreen.

Worth a shot, I guess. Been keeping Verbatim's stock pretty high lately anyway

[Chilly Willy]

Your video datarate is very high 1500kbps the cd can handle max with audio 300 if youre lucky...

Given the setting he mentioned, the bitrate is with audio + the overhead of .mov container. The theoretical limit for 1X CD with ECC is 1228.8 kbps, and the Jaguar CD is 2X and doesn't use ECC, making the limits even higher.

 

The settings did indicate he was using the truecolor version of cinepak. Maybe the Jaguar player only like the 8-bit paletted version.

 

EDIT: The Jag cinepak readme says 16 bit rgb or cry format.

Edited October 7, 2014 by Chilly Willy

[TXG/MNX]

You can use 24-bit video but not high framerate maybe 10 fps without audio. 16-bit or 256 color are possible aswell.

It all depends on the footage you got

The windows cinepak convertor has less options as the mac.

I bought an imac just to run the 35kb tool for cinepak ... Need to play around with it. I read cinepak in cry would give 10% more speed so that would be nice to just handle a liitle more quality.

[+Saturn]

Just tried it with a Data Rate restricted to 300 kbps. No change, still with the dark blue screen.

 

[TXG/MNX]

Did you place a cinepak player track on the cd aswell ?

[+Saturn]

No, I don't have one. Was asking if one existed or was needed in my original post but didn't see an answer to that particular question.

 

Here's the contents of my burnunenc.bat:

cdrecord -speed=1 -dev=1,1,0 -pad -tao -audio -multi warning.wav
cdrecord -speed=1 -dev=1,1,0 -pad -tao -audio TRACK04.RAW pm_dummy.raw trk_2b.raw
cls
call hyperterm.bat
type Text.txt | cb

 

What other files are in the CDenc folder from the video? He has 3 or 4 iirc.

[+Saturn]

After looking around, the only Jaguar Cinepak Player I could find is the "heavily modified" version on Orion's site

I'm not sure if it's BJL only or if a n00b could incorporate it into this method. Do you know if the old/regular version is out there for download anywhere?

 

[+Saturn]

No, I don't have one. Was asking if one existed or was needed in my original post but didn't see an answer to that particular question.

 

Here's the contents of my burnunenc.bat:

cdrecord -speed=1 -dev=1,1,0 -pad -tao -audio -multi warning.wav

cdrecord -speed=1 -dev=1,1,0 -pad -tao -audio TRACK04.RAW pm_dummy.raw trk_2b.raw

cls

call hyperterm.bat

type Text.txt | cb

 

What other files are in the CDenc folder from the video? He has 3 or 4 iirc.

 

The missing files are clearly shown here about half way down the page. Same ones from the video, TRACK02.RAW & TRACK03.RAW.

 

(The link to download the zipped package on that page is dead, too.)

Does anyone have these and can upload them?

 

Edited October 8, 2014 by Saturn

[GT Turbo]

Cinepak, only done poor quality video, bad sound and eat a lot of cpu time, so if you want to see a video, use our dvd player instead

[+Saturn]

LOL, I'm actually loving the crap quality and want to convert more & more to it

Trying all this in an effort to convert 3-4 minute music videos to play on my Jag while I'm blasting the weights.

 

I was informed of the 'original' player in Orion's pack in the src folder so I'm putting together my own repository of info, atm. Love this stuff

[TXG/MNX]

When you compare it with Full HD blueray it's even worst

 

But the cinepak is mostly restricted to the CD-ROM speed on the jaguar. You could play it pure from RAM but short samples. I wonder how good it would be if a full movie could be played at RAM speed.

Ofcourse it uses cpu but who cares when watching a movie... audio could be pretty decent I think, but on CD-ROM you need to balance video/audio within the available bandwith.

 

@GT TURBO But maybe you can show us a HD-READY video player based on MP4 running on GPU/DSP :grin:

[+Saturn]

 

@GT TURBO But maybe you can show us a HD-READY video player based on MP4 running on GPU/DSP :grin:

Yes, please

[Zerosquare]

Sure. Would you like fries with that?

[Fredifredo]

Cinepak with JagCF should be funny no more 2x CD speed bitrate ...

[TXG/MNX]

Yes but this JagCF will that be released ??? I thought this would be like the jaguar on fpga project just a project to show...

[GT Turbo]

Mp4 in slow motion, only Jaguar can do it

[TXG/MNX]

Show us how slow it would be ...

[Chilly Willy]

Technically speaking, any system can decode full h.264 HD... just not in real-time. If you're talking about real-time video on a console like the Jaguar, you've really only got two realistic choices: cinepak, and roq. Both can be encoded by FFMPEG, and decoder source is available. I recently made a ROQ player for the N64 to get an idea how well it works. I'll probably try my hand at that on the Jaguar once I get all the dev tools worked out.

[GT Turbo]

Yes, Jaguar like sinclair can decode any kind of files, but not in real time or 'french real time '.

 

We have done a 68000 Png decoder (Full asm) and even on a 95 Mhz 68060 Png picture take seconds to be decompressed, so if it's for precalculating 'real time video', it's not really interresting, delta packing is surely a better choice for 'low speed console'

 

I love the Jaguar like all others Atari machines i've got, but sometimes we have to use 'alternatives' for having a good experience

[TXG/MNX]

Nice build a png decoder for gpu :-)

[TXG/MNX]

@Chilly Willy what resolution and fps would a roq file play when there is a code for gpu player?

[+Saturn]

I've encoded some music videos to 320x200 at restricted data rates of 300kbps and 280kbps in an older version of QuickTime Player as it seems the newest version 7.7.5 doesn't include the Cinepak codec. None of them will play though. Still getting that dark blue screen on my coasters. I know the bypass carts work. Have switched between using Protector SE and BSG but the results are the same.

 

When I convert Player.bin to Player.RAW (T00), then add the videos (T01, T02, etc.) it looks like they aren't found by the player. These are all on Session 2 of course w/ the normal Warning.wav as the only track on Session 1.

 

Do the video tracks have to be a certain length? This doesn't seem to be a factor in the JagAds 2.0 or the Atari Big Disk that myAtari sells so I'm just grasping at straws.

 

Here are the commands I use in batch to convert Player.bin:

MAKETRK -b1c0000 -z Player.bin
PADCD +100000 Player.T00 Player.RAW

 

Here's the burnunenc.bat:

cdrecord -speed=1 -dev=1,1,0 -pad -tao -audio -multi warning.wav
cdrecord -speed=1 -dev=1,1,0 -pad -tao -audio Player.RAW Video.RAW trk_2b.raw

 

To my knowledge, this should work I'm thinking it's either my player or my converted videos. Can anyone help?

 

Also, do the files in Orion's src folder for the original Cinepak player need to be incorporated somehow? (as they seem imperative to the function of Player.bin) I'm struggling to keep my goal of making a working disk alive but every attempt fails.

[TXG/MNX]

Will help out soon but this week I got to much work and appointments I must attend :-( I will look at your footage original and converyed to see if there are issues.

I believe Quicktime 7.5 or higher has issues... Need to verify what version I use butI am not near my dev kit now...