NOS Games From South America (motorodeo, road runner,ect)

[Shawn]

I still have to disagree. Ebay is not exactly what I would base a rarity guide off of anyhow…but that's just my humble opinion. I put eBay in a category that is akin to the wild west. Obscenely high prices…stupidly low prices. It is all over the place. As for rarity…to me, it all about availability. Just because one or two sellers have a cache of games, doesn't mean there are thousands of them out there. It just means that they have a quantity of them, concentrated in one place, and they want to get rid of them all. Just because they are happy to get $15 to $30 for them, doesn't mean that the well won't eventually run dry.

 

Truthfully, I know I won't change your mind on this one…you have made that abundantly clear at this point and I am perfectly fine with that. What confuses me is why you bothered to even post a thread, much less a poll on the subject if you already had a firm answer set in your own mind? I'm not the least bit upset…just confused.

 

After talking with Albert he said a thread in this forum would be a good idea as he is going to make changes to the rarity guide none the less but public opinion is worth looking into to see what others have to say. My mind is set for sure but I'm still up for debate on the topic. Ebay is not the only site for these either, there are multiple avenues to purchase these games. I used ebay as an example as it's easy and everyone has access and is familiar with it. It's not one or two sellers with these titles, it's dozens of stores with thousands of copies. The number is in the thousands, how many thousands I have to concede I don't know but thousands will NEVER run out. Supply and demand is not able to eat that kinda volume. Years ago some of the sellers joked about making bonfires with them and running them over with 4 wheelers and still not being able to run out if they did so and that's not exaggerating.

[Chris Leach]

I've got hundreds of these and they r crap. Usually smell like crap. Usually feel like Lainey crap and just work like crap!

 

R1 hands down!

[+Mitch]

It depends if you are judging rarity by whats available on ebay or true rarity by what is out there.

 

For example; let's say there were 10,000 copies of games such as MotoRodeo out in the wild previous to the SA find. Let's say they found 20,000 more copies in the SA find. This would obviously kill the prices and bring the rarity level down but it would still not be at R1 level which is pretty much for games that had over a million copies made. While a large number of these games (such as Combat and Pacman) would have ended up in landfills or scrapped for homebrews, there is still a wide margin between how many of them are out there. If you are going by true rarity then these games (such as MotoRodeo) are probably in the R4-R5 range.

 

Mitch

[Albert]

Just for the record, I would certainly include availability and pricing of games on eBay when calculating the "rarity" of games. We don't know how many copies of any particular games were produced, so all we really have to go by is how scarce (or not) they are in the wild. And the wild has included eBay for some time now.

 

..Al

[bennybingo]

Just for the record, I would certainly include availability and pricing of games on eBay when calculating the "rarity" of games. We don't know how many copies of any particular games were produced, so all we really have to go by is how scarce (or not) they are in the wild. And the wild has included eBay for some time now.

 

..Al

Well, based on that statement, I would still have to stick with my original statement of R4 or R5 for these titles. You definitely don't see them in the wild like you do with the R1, 2 and 3's. Just do a search on eBay for any of the R1, R2 and R3 titles and see how many search results are produced. Then do the same for these SA titles. You could argue that the supply is infinite, and that someone has truckloads of these in a warehouse somewhere, but I can only speak to what I know as fact…the fact is, I have never seen the supply myself, so I cannot just say it is "endless". I go off what I know, and I know that these games are not something you bump into on a regular basis. Sure…I can pick a copy up off of eBay (and hope it makes it here from SA), but I never see these mixed in with the common games in a bulk lot…I never see them at garage sales….I never see them on Craigslist (at least not for less than $30 or more a pop).

 

I don't think they are even close to R10's anymore, but an R4 or R5 would be more than fair.

[Shawn]

 

 

I don't think they are even close to R10's anymore, but an R4 or R5 would be more than fair.

 

if you can name me any other R4-R5's that I can buy a hundred at a time NOS than I would be a little more open to your side of this debate but then they wouldn't really be R4-R5's either.

[bennybingo]

 

if you can name me any other R4-R5's that I can buy a hundred at a time NOS than I would be a little more open to your side of this debate but then they wouldn't really be R4-R5's either.

Oh yeah???? I would be a bit more open to your side if you could show me another R1 that can do this:

 

***Click to animate

 

 

[Shawn]

 

 

RR.gif

 

 

You have won the interwebs my friend

[bennybingo]

 

You have won the interwebs my friend

I just ran out of things to say!

[Shawn]

I just ran out of things to say!

And I was just having fun cause I liked seeing daffy ninja.

[roadrunner]

I'm going to vote a R4 or R5
There's a few USA resellers selling these games new.
I almost never see Motorodeo as a loose cart always sealed.

[Shawn]

I'm going to vote a R4 or R5

There's a few USA resellers selling these games new.

I almost never see Motorodeo as a loose cart always sealed.

 

 

You don't see them loose cause there are 1000's NOS. Loose ones sell for around $5 when they are for sale from what I've seen.

 

Again though, show me any other R4 or R5 games that can be purchased in unlimited volume like these and I will counter with saying those games are not R4 or R5 as it's impossible to buy R4's and R5's for the 2600 like that only games that are much more common like R1's and R2's.

[AtariBrian]

I have to check Motorodeo still .. these Roadrunner prices are for loose cart .

 

2014-01-29 ATARI 2600 ROAD RUNNER GAME ONLY $9.95 2014-01-17 ATARI 2600 ROAD RUNNER BY ATARI FREE SHIPPING $9.98 2013-12-01 ATARI 2600 ROAD RUNNER BY ATARI VERY NICE SHAPE $27.99 2013-10-02 Road Runner (Atari 2600, 1989) Classic Fun Game Cartridge Good Condition !! $10.95 2013-09-01 Road Runner (Atari 2600, 1989) $4.05 2013-08-17 Road Runner (Atari 2600) $8.99 2013-07-22 Road Runner (Atari 2600) Atari Video Game $9.99 2013-05-06 Road Runner Atari 2600 VCS Tested & Works! $8.99 2013-04-26 Road Runner (Atari 2600) $4.74 2013-03-08 Road Runner (Atari 2600) $14.99 2012-09-02 1989 ROAD RUNNER Atari 2600 video GAME used RARE $20.50 2012-04-30 Road Runner (Atari 2600) $14.99 2012-04-19 Road Runner (Atari 2600) RED LABEL NTSC TESTED $9.99 2012-02-08 Road Runner (Atari 2600) w/ Box & Book $12.70 2011-10-09 200660906720 $29.99 2011-08-22 180710430979 $22.95 2011-06-25 300562793729 $29.95 2011-05-28 350466483016 $18.95 2010-12-22 330508924137 $16.50 2010-08-09 270618697737 $9.99 2010-08-05 160462755727 $9.90 2010-07-27 250668286166 $15.00 2010-07-13 220541771371 $29.97 2010-06-02 250639902770 $13.76 2010-05-16 110530789616 $21.09 2010-04-21 110522386433 $12.00 2010-04-03 200457027543 $21.96

[roadrunner]

The Venezuela stash seems to have fewer of the Xenophobe games than they do the others.
A R5 at least

[roadrunner]

If and when the rarity guide gets updated, maybe have it available only to Atariage members or members with x amount of posts?

[Albert]

If and when the rarity guide gets updated, maybe have it available only to Atariage members or members with x amount of posts?

It will get updated, and it will continue to be available to anyone who visits the sight without having to login or anything like that.

 

..Al

[roadrunner]

Albert, on 29 Dec 2014 - 7:06 PM, said:

It will get updated, and it will continue to be available to anyone who visits the sight without having to login or anything like that.

 

..Al

 

 

I think there's a O2 forum that alot of stuff is hidden if you don't sign in.

 

 

I don't think you need to make alot of other changes to the rarity guide.

Rare games are out there. There's some collectors and resellers hoarding rare games.

 

 

[Albert]

I think there's a O2 forum that alot of stuff is hidden if you don't sign in.

I've never been a fan of hiding forums until you sign in, especially for stuff like this. I should create an O2 forum here.

 

http://odysseyage.com/

 

..Al

[roadrunner]

Albert, on 30 Dec 2014 - 2:16 PM, said:

I've never been a fan of hiding forums until you sign in, especially for stuff like this. I should create an O2 forum here.

 

http://odysseyage.com/

 

..Al

 

 

That link goes to Atariage

 

 

[chas10e]

it would be interesting to hear the story of the discovery of this cashes of NOS games

[Shawn]

The Venezuela stash seems to have fewer of the Xenophobe games than they do the others.

A R5 at least

 

There are plenty of Xenophobes, it's a R3 at best and more realistically an R2.

[Shawn]

If and when the rarity guide gets updated, maybe have it available only to Atariage members or members with x amount of posts?

 

The whole point is so everyone can see it freely. That's one of the big reasons some of these former rares need to be kicked down to the more acurate status of commons that they have earned over the last couple of years so folks don't abuse the rarity guide to call commons rares just cause the guide is a few years out of date.

[Andromeda Stardust]

One thing people fail to realise is the fact that NOS found in a warehouse is in fact "New Old Stock..."

 

Suppose a game had a small run of 10000 games. Half are lost or destroyed. Of the 5000 that's left, half are locked into random boxes of junk in people's basements and garages. Most of the remaining 2500 are sitting in random collections. Maybe 250 of those remaining collectors know it's rare. 25 of those few people would consider selling. One of them throws it on Ebay right now. Maybe five people actively looking for it so it doesn't sell for much if at all in case of high BIN.

 

Compare this situation to 1,000 games siting in a warehouse right now. The game is still technically "rarer" than the previous example, but you have five buyers. So 995 are left. Pretty soon people get the impression that since it's perpetually for sale, it must be common. That's because nearly every copy in existence being up for sale at once doesn't make it any more common than a game that was produced in abundance and spread throughout the four corners of the Earth.

 

It's just a lot easier to find, because they're all in the same place.

[Shawn]

One thing people fail to realise is the fact that NOS found in a warehouse is in fact "New Old Stock..."

 

Suppose a game had a small run of 10000 games. Half are lost or destroyed. Of the 5000 that's left, half are locked into random boxes of junk in people's basements and garages. Most of the remaining 2500 are sitting in random collections. Maybe 250 of those remaining collectors know it's rare. 25 of those few people would consider selling. One of them throws it on Ebay right now. Maybe five people actively looking for it so it doesn't sell for much if at all in case of high BIN.

 

Compare this situation to 1,000 games siting in a warehouse right now. The game is still technically "rarer" than the previous example, but you have five buyers. So 995 are left. Pretty soon people get the impression that since it's perpetually for sale, it must be common. That's because nearly every copy in existence being up for sale at once doesn't make it any more common than a game that was produced in abundance and spread throughout the four corners of the Earth.

 

It's just a lot easier to find, because they're all in the same place.

 

 

Supply and demand is the sole basis for value and rarity.

[AtariBrian]

Will pal carts like Roadrunner and Motorodeo play fine on consoles/tv's here in the U.S. ?