Marc Oberhäuser Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) *** Still waiting for Atari feedback *** x 2 *** Still waiting for Atari feedback *** ***Small update: I am in contact with Atari Inc. to get their blessing for the cards, until then I put the project on hold for a few days. 12.02.2015 *** Still waiting...... *** 18.02.2015 *** Small progress, will have a chat with Atari next week *** Hi everyone, Welcome to my latest trading card series. After the Atari 7800 and the Intellivision now it’s time for the Atari 2600. The first series with 50 cards features the original Atari releases from 3-D Tic Tac Toe to Gremlins. The front side of a card shows the original release box art, on the back there are facts about the game as well as a screenshot, label front side and the front of the manual. On the pictures you can see the test prints (yet with some wrong data that has been already corrected) and the cards have really turned out fine. A set costs EURO 40 (about US$ 50) including shipping airmail letter (robust box/uninsured/no tracking/shipping time 5 to 10 days). For shipping as regular airmail parcel (robust box/insurance/tracking/shipping time 14 to 28 days, up to 5kg) you will have to add another EURO 35 (yep, shipping a parcel to North America is that expensive). Since I have to pay the printer in advance I have to charge the amount up-front, so if you are interested in a set just drop me a PM with your Paypal address. Some additional info: A set consists of 50 cards plus 1 index card, 2 promo cards and 1 INTV card The next set will be available in February The cards are printed professionally The box size is 13cm x 10cm x 2cm (slip lid box style) The front art of the cards depends on the first release of the game. If a game was first released in a silver box for example, and later also released in a red box, the silver artwork is shown, the red box will be just mentioned on the back of the card It's not a limited run, but after the first run the price will be higher (from EURO 40 to EURO 45) due to the lower production numbers Combined shipping letter airmail: It's possible for up to 3 sets, the first set costs EURO 40, the other two costs EURO 37 each Combined shipping airmail parcel: It's possible for up to 15 sets, the first set costs EURO 40, the additional copies cost EURO 37 each Shipping date: Production takes about 1 week, so the shipping will be one week after I've collected the money Pre-order is open until 09.01.2014 CET 4PM. On the following Sunday night I am going to order the first batch of this series. If there is enough interest after this first run I will order another batch. Due to lower production numbers the price will rise quite a bit If you don't want to be listed public please drop me a line and I'll remove the name Contact outside AtariAge: If you are interested in a set but not registered here at AtariAge you can drop me a line at: order@retrogamesshop.com Marc. PS: If you are interested in my other trading cards, just check back here: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/231650-intellivision-trading-cards-series-1/ http://atariage.com/forums/topic/199129-atari-7800-trading-cards-series-1/ http://atariage.com/forums/topic/225742-atari-7800-trading-cards-series-2/ Edited March 17, 2015 by Marc Oberhäuser 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBuff Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 One copy for me Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3144456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Weis Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 PM sent! Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3144671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Around how many Series will it take for a 'complete' Atari 2600 card collection? I'm just trying to evaluate my total cost were I to purchase them all. For instance, if there are eventually Series 1-4 I'll be paying around $200 USD (EURO 160). Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 1 set for me. Ill pm you. One question. And I think I know the answer, this initial set is of just ATARI published games, right? No 3rd party games? After Atari, will you continue 3rd party sets? I would love some of at least the more popuplar 3rd party sets....Activision, Parker Bros. etc Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
masematte Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 One Copy for me Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Oberhäuser Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 1 set for me. Ill pm you. One question. And I think I know the answer, this initial set is of just ATARI published games, right? No 3rd party games? After Atari, will you continue 3rd party sets? I would love some of at least the more popuplar 3rd party sets....Activision, Parker Bros. etc Yep, Atari first, followed by all legal/proper 3rd party releases. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Oberhäuser Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Around how many Series will it take for a 'complete' Atari 2600 card collection? I'm just trying to evaluate my total cost were I to purchase them all. For instance, if there are eventually Series 1-4 I'll be paying around $200 USD (EURO 160). Indeed quite a few. I hope to be able to lower the price. I am looking for a cheaper printer, but wasn't able to find one yet. It just depends on the numbers printed. 20 to 80 copies are very low production figures for pro printed cards, at least here in Germany :/ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JasonlikesINTV Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Indeed quite a few. I hope to be able to lower the price. I am looking for a cheaper printer, but wasn't able to find one yet. It just depends on the numbers printed. 20 to 80 copies are very low production figures for pro printed cards, at least here in Germany :/ Thanks for the reply, Marc. Yeah, considering there are over 400? games for the Atari I might have to be selective on my purchases. These look great, but I might hold off for the Activision Series Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Oberhäuser Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Thanks for the reply, Marc. Yeah, considering there are over 400? games for the Atari I might have to be selective on my purchases. These look great, but I might hold off for the Activision Series Totally understandable. Currently I am discussing options with Al producing the cards for the following sets in the States. That could be quite a bit cheaper, We are working on it 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Of course I would like a set (please) Bob Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Tyler Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd love a set! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozar Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 These look pretty cool, but how legal are these? The box art is still under copyright and the cards are duplicating the art of the box and the cartridge. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter83 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 If they would do a full set of all the US release games a full atari inc set activision set. etc that would be awesome. I like this idea and I love how they look. Albert looks like a homerun here Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLe Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yes, one copy for me (payment via paypal). LLe Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
achtbits Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Very, very tempting. These trading cards look awesome. But the price is hefty. Moving production over to the U.S. won't make it any better for me as I'll have to pay shipping costs back to Germany then. So I need to buy them now or never. Will need to sleep some more nights over it... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre81 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 These look pretty cool, but how legal are these? The box art is still under copyright and the cards are duplicating the art of the box and the cartridge. Should be fair use. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Warlord Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I'd like a set as well as the 7800 ones if they're still available. These look great! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozar Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Should be fair use. Fair use doesn't apply in this situation, especially since this is a for-profit activity. These are derivative copies of the original artwork and as such infringe on the original copyright. Especially since Atari is still using this artwork on current products. It's a shame, because I would really like a set. Marc, has there been any discussion with Atari on officially licensed cards? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre81 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Fair use doesn't apply in this situation, especially since this is a for-profit activity. These are derivative copies of the original artwork and as such infringe on the original copyright. Especially since Atari is still using this artwork on current products. It's a shame, because I would really like a set. Marc, has there been any discussion with Atari on officially licensed cards? With your logic you also couldn't make price catalogs without licensing every single picture. Back in 1980 I would have agreed as Atari could have claimed that you are doing business with unlicensed images. Like making your own Football trading cards of the current season. You may want to read on Wikipedia what kind of images can be used and which not. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Oberhäuser Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Marc, has there been any discussion with Atari on officially licensed cards? No, I haven't. Edited January 5, 2015 by Marc Oberhäuser Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojay1997 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 With your logic you also couldn't make price catalogs without licensing every single picture. Back in 1980 I would have agreed as Atari could have claimed that you are doing business with unlicensed images. Like making your own Football trading cards of the current season. You may want to read on Wikipedia what kind of images can be used and which not. I'm sorry, but your analysis is incorrect, at least under US copyright law and likely most other Western European laws as well. This is the use of copyrighted images in a commercial manner. These images are not being used to promote or solicit the sale of the goods pictured in the images. The images printed on the cards are the actual goods being sold. Similarly, you'd be hard pressed to claim there was some academic or scholarly purpose to these cards. As such, there is no "fair use" or other copyright exception here and it doesn't matter if it's 1980 or 2015 in this particular case as the images are still within copyright. So while it is probably unlikely that Atari will take action, they certainly would be within their rights to do so. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Oberhäuser Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 So while it is probably unlikely that Atari will take action, they certainly would be within their rights to do so. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 What's funny is this very thing is what got me into collecting Atari games when I was a kid. Everyone was collecting something... mostly baseball or basketball cards. I wasn't into sports very much but loved the artwork on the games and the fact that I could get almost any 2600 game for $1-$2 at a local Flea Market made it even that more interesting. Nevermind the fact they were games you could actually play and you never knew what you were going to get. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3146970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubxcube Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Fair use doesn't apply in this situation, especially since this is a for-profit activity. These are derivative copies of the original artwork and as such infringe on the original copyright. Especially since Atari is still using this artwork on current products. It's a shame, because I would really like a set. Marc, has there been any discussion with Atari on officially licensed cards? It'll be a real shame if you are right and didn't snag a set before a C&D. Most Princess Rescue owners are pretty pleased with their now very collectible cart. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/233361-atari-2600-trading-cards-series-1/#findComment-3147051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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